Infowars Interviews a Socialist - "You people have worms in your brains."

[realibrad]

They did not answer my questions at all unless you believe that every country on earth that has ever experimented with socialism of any sort nationalized the oil companies, had an oil boom, and then collapsed when the oil boom ended.

I will repeat for the second time, I was addressing socialism generally, not Venezuela specifically. If you read his post more carefully you will see that as well. You weren't responding to the question asked.

His point seemed to be that Socialism may give a short term bump when money is taken from the top, but ultimately it damages long term growth, and that Venezuela is an example of this. Capitalism is inherently mutually exclusive to what was done there. The economic systems that support what was done there are Socialism and Communism.

The fundamental principle under Socialism is that profits are inefficient and thus taking that waste and giving it back to the people helps society. It was founded on the idea that individualism was insufficient in addressing problems like poverty. That is what Hugo C. used to justify what he did. It seems like your questions were all answered.

 

[tygeezy]

Do not try to argue with him, he will never get fired from the dick sucking factory. Checkmate bitch.

Yeah, keep up those ad-hominems.

 

[fskimospy]

His point seemed to be that Socialism may give a short term bump when money is taken from the top, but ultimately it damages long term growth, and that Venezuela is an example of this. Capitalism is inherently mutually exclusive to what was done there. The economic systems that support what was done there are Socialism and Communism.

The fundamental principle under Socialism is that profits are inefficient and thus taking that waste and giving it back to the people helps society. It was founded on the idea that individualism was insufficient in addressing problems like poverty. That is what Hugo C. used to justify what he did. It seems like your questions were all answered.

I don't know why you thought repeating your same bad answer centering on Venezuela would be an improvement once you combined it with a cartoonish description of socialism. If you think my questions were well answered that shows exactly the problem, haha.

I won't be responding to you further on this as...well... you know your history.

 

[realibrad]

He's more right than you think. If you're laid off that means you're either going on Medicaid, where 'Obamacare' (ie: the government) picks up 100% of the tab or you're going into the individual ACA marketplace. While I wasn't able to find an exact percentage of ACA premiums picked up by the government I imagine it's quite large there as well as almost all enrollees qualify for subsidies.

I thought Trump was doing away with those?

 

[fskimospy]

I thought Trump was doing away with those?

No, he is not.

 

[thilanliyan]

I was careful to chose a place where the likelihood is nill. I have the safe stable job, my wife to be has the high risk, high reward tech startup gig. I was in a situation where I needed to prioritize my health. I'm happy we have that freedom in America.

That freedom exists in Canada as well, except we have "socialized" healthcare...seems to generally work okay I think.

 

[Blackjack200]

Yeah, keep up those ad-hominems.

All I'm saying is that while I'm glad you have good job security at the dick sucking factory, and that they provide you with healthcare, not everyone can be quite so good at sucking dicks. Everyone deserves health care, not just people that are good at relaxing their throat muscles and devouring 8 inches while their noses get pinched.

 

[ivwshane]

His point seemed to be that Socialism may give a short term bump when money is taken from the top, but ultimately it damages long term growth, and that Venezuela is an example of this. Capitalism is inherently mutually exclusive to what was done there. The economic systems that support what was done there are Socialism and Communism.

The fundamental principle under Socialism is that profits are inefficient and thus taking that waste and giving it back to the people helps society. It was founded on the idea that individualism was insufficient in addressing problems like poverty. That is what Hugo C. used to justify what he did. It seems like your questions were all answered.

Holy fuck! Where do you come up with this bullshit?

You are seriously one weird dude.

 

[tygeezy]

All I'm saying is that while I'm glad you have good job security at the dick sucking factory, and that they provide you with healthcare, not everyone can be quite so good at sucking dicks. Everyone deserves health care, not just people that are good at relaxing their throat muscles and devouring 8 inches while their noses get pinched.

You can go on with your ad-hominem attacks, but it's juvenile, reflects poorly on yourself, and doesn't move the meter on actual discussion.

 

[tygeezy]

Holy fuck! Where do you come up with this bullshit?

You are seriously one weird dude.

At least you guys are consistent. Anybody that holds a different opinion is branded something nowhere within the realm of endearment. He writes a well thought out educated response, and the only thing you can muster is that he is weird? Is it really that difficult to counter someones points without disrespect and animosity?

 

[realibrad]

Holy fuck! Where do you come up with this bullshit?

You are seriously one weird dude.

Holy shit, are you going to tell me what you think is bull shit, or are you going to ride Spy's ass because you dont have an original idea?

 

[Thebobo]

Sorry ladies just trying to calm the men down here.

 

[Blackjack200]

You can go on with your ad-hominem attacks, but it's juvenile, reflects poorly on yourself, and doesn't move the meter on actual discussion.

I woke up this morning determined to make a compelling and thoughtful political argument to someone who gobbles enormous amounts of dick for a living.

 

[Thebobo]

Its obvious no one is going to change anyone's mind here but some sort of socialized health care will happen in the states. Just a matter time, the people will demand it.

I say keep the doctors every thing the way it is excpt payment is made from the gov. Like medicare and medicaid. No more insurance companies siphoning valuable assets from our healther care.

 

[theeedude]

I was careful to chose a place where the likelihood is nill. I have the safe stable job, my wife to be has the high risk, high reward tech startup gig. I was in a situation where I needed to prioritize my health. I'm happy we have that freedom in America.

Picking a job based not on the best match for your skills and interests, but based on risk aversion due to pre-existing condition sounds like the opposite of freedom to me.

 

[tygeezy]

I woke up this morning determined to make a compelling and thoughtful political argument to someone who gobbles enormous amounts of dick for a living.

The insults keep rolling, but the discussion has halted. This is a very bad look you're giving to fellow liberals and this message board that you resort to insults and ad hominem attacks because you lack the ability to argue in good faith.

 

[tygeezy]

Picking a job based not on the best match for your skills and interests, but based on risk aversion due to pre-existing condition sounds like the opposite of freedom to me.

I never said my job skills and interests weren't a factor.

 

[theeedude]

I never said my job skills and interests weren't a factor.

I am sure they were, but within a subset of jobs that you limited yourself to because of fear of being left without insurance due to a medical condition you were born with in a country with no universal health coverage.

 

[ivwshane]

Holy shit, are you going to tell me what you think is bull shit, or are you going to ride Spy's ass because you dont have an original idea?

The fundamental principle under Socialism is that profits are inefficient and thus taking that waste and giving it back to the people helps society. It was founded on the idea that individualism was insufficient in addressing problems like poverty. That is what Hugo C. used to justify what he did. It seems like your questions were all answered.

Now unless you are trying to straw man the argument (shit, that's sooo unlike you/s), comparing dictatorships to actual countries those that espouse socialism point to as examples, your definition is wrong.

 

[ivwshane]

At least you guys are consistent. Anybody that holds a different opinion is branded something nowhere within the realm of endearment. He writes a well thought out educated response, and the only thing you can muster is that he is weird? Is it really that difficult to counter someones points without disrespect and animosity?

It has nothing to do with opinions, snowflake, it has to do with standard definitions and an agreeable baseline of facts.

We could just do what you do and simply ignore posts that counter your points and complain about people being mean.

 

[Bubbleawsome]

Her options are to buy her own health care, get a full time job, or do less work so she can qualify for Medicaid which is socialized. If she buys her own health care she can write off her premiums in her taxes since it isn't provided by employment. Also, if she has a certain amount of medical expenses she can deduct part of that by filling a schedule A.

So, she still has options. If she prioritized her health she could get coverage. I prioritize my health, I have type 1 diabetes; this is why I made sure I got employment with good health benefits.

Ok so I have two points here.

1) She can't work less because she needs the money to pay for college, she can't get full-time work because no one wants to hire a kid in college for a full-time position. I'm not sure exactly what her situation is but I know from my own past experiences self bought health insurance is usually a bad deal at best and a predatory money hole at worst. She might be able to insure herself against catastrophe but I'm not sure many adults could navigate that minefield well, much less a student.

2) I really don't want to get into personal arguments here, but my God isn't it really shitty for you to say "if she prioritized her health"? How old are you? Past school apparently, with a fairly stable job and economic situation. This is a nineteen year old girl from an unstable family situation trying to better herself and get to what many of us think of as a normal or even lower-class place in life. Jacked-up college prices in this country already drain her possibilities without adding the stress of finding basic heathcare. Imagine how much stress she's already under, and you have the balls to act like all of that can be ignored to just "prioritize her health"?

Isn't patriotism wanting your country to be the best it can be? To give its citizens the best possibilities it can? A true "land of opportunity" would take care of all of her issues (especially since they all started totally out of her control) to let her become the best she can be and contribute as much back to the country that she can. Even if you argue that that isn't America's job, wouldn't it be in our best interest to invest in the future like that, to have even more prosperity eventually? This isn't the argument I want you to respond to, I want you to justify saying a girl like her doesn't deserve basic free healthcare. I would like you to think about it though, consider how many people can not live up to what they could be for our country because of policy like you support.

 

[tygeezy]

It has nothing to do with opinions, snowflake, it has to do with standard definitions and an agreeable baseline of facts.

We could just do what you do and simply ignore posts that counter your points and complain about people being mean.

Was that really necessary? Is it impossible for you guys to drive a point home without some sort of jab? Is this how you all operate out in the real world?

By the way, he didn't straw man you. Far left ideology is what leads to dictatorship.

 

[Bubbleawsome]

Far left ideology is what leads to dictatorship.

Sorry, have to add this here. Both far left and far right leads to authoritarian-type governments. Assuming conservatism and liberalism here. If you mean right as in libertarian then you have a point that it doesn't lead to dictatorship, but I'm not convinced a true libertarian government is sustainable.

 

[tygeezy]

Ok so I have two points here.

1) She can't work less because she needs the money to pay for college, she can't get full-time work because no one wants to hire a kid in college for a full-time position. I'm not sure exactly what her situation is but I know from my own past experiences self bought health insurance is usually a bad deal at best and a predatory money hole at worst. She might be able to insure herself against catastrophe but I'm not sure many adults could navigate that minefield well, much less a student.

2) I really don't want to get into personal arguments here, but my God isn't it really shitty for you to say "if she prioritized her health"? How old are you? Past school apparently, with a fairly stable job and economic situation. This is a nineteen year old girl from an unstable family situation trying to better herself and get to what many of us think of as a normal or even lower-class place in life. Jacked-up college prices in this country already drain her possibilities without adding the stress of finding basic heathcare. Imagine how much stress she's already under, and you have the balls to act like all of that can be ignored to just "prioritize her health"?

Isn't patriotism wanting your country to be the best it can be? To give its citizens the best possibilities it can? A true "land of opportunity" would take care of all of her issues (especially since they all started totally out of her control) to let her become the best she can be and contribute as much back to the country that she can. Even if you argue that that isn't America's job, wouldn't it be in our best interest to invest in the future like that, to have even more prosperity eventually? This isn't the argument I want you to respond to, I want you to justify saying a girl like her doesn't deserve basic free healthcare. I would like you to think about it though, consider how many people can not live up to what they could be for our country because of policy like you support.

How old is she? Because if she is under 26 she can be on her parents plan regardless if she works.

 

[Bubbleawsome]

How old is she? Because if she is under 26 she can be on her parents plan regardless if she works.

I said both in the post. She's 19 years old, but her family doesn't insure her because of a falling-out between them.