Bubbleawsome
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So do you have any counter arguments for the fact that my friend could still be helped by a form of socialized medical care? And that healthcare would greatly benefit the US?
Your point would be better if you linked to something. Regardless, it doesn't debunk incentives which is the fundamental principle of capitalism and why it works.
The united states is the world leader in technological innovation. A lot of this boils down to our free market, and incentives. What happens if you take that away? Do people want to stick around? So what happens after you redistribute that wealth and then people bounce and then you run out of that money?
Venezuela is a great example. They had a temporary boom from the influx of money to lower classes, but eventually they ran out of said money.
Look, I encourage you to just sticking to points instead of bringing attention to so called ignorance. It's just window dressing and doesn't further the discussion when counter points is all you need.
What temporary boom from an influx of money to lower classes? That doesn't even make any sense. What sort of economic model are you describing and where is this influx of money coming from and what is running out? It's hard to square this with any economic model I'm aware of.
To maintain political support, Mr Chavez expanded his social programmes using the income derived from high oil prices.
Minimum wages were increased sharply and many Venezuelans were lifted out of poverty.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-15240081
He nationalized the oil companies during a time when oil was at a peak, and when it collapsed the money dried up.
It's funny how conservatives will claim that socialized health care is guaranteed to fail... and promptly ignore the numerous countries where it exists and provides superior care to the US.
No one should have to choose between staying healthy and staying out of financial trouble. It's pretty despicable hat the US system makes some people declare bankruptcy to deal with cancer or an injury.
This doesn't address my point in any way as he was talking about socialism generally, not Venezuela. So again, what influx of money? Why is it running out? What economic model is this based on?
We both know the answer: it was based on nothing.
Her options are to buy her own health care, get a full time job, or do less work so she can qualify for Medicaid which is socialized. If she buys her own health care she can write off her premiums in her taxes since it isn't provided by employment. Also, if she has a certain amount of medical expenses she can deduct part of that by filling a schedule A.So do you have any counter arguments for the fact that my friend could still be helped by a form of socialized medical care? And that healthcare would greatly benefit the US?
You self identify as Republican trash?What was handled? Was I given two minutes to come up with a response? Let me ask what you add to these conversations? Because all I see from you are pot shots and insults for the crime of disagreement. I don't believe that people I disagree with our trash. I hope you don't treat people in real life the way you treat people here that don't subscribe to your ideology.
I don't believe in condemning or heralding people by what group they identify as, but instead judge them by their individual merits.You self identify as Republican trash?
I don't believe in condemning or heralding people by what group they identify as, but instead judge them by their individual merits.
KKK is a OK?I don't believe in condemning or heralding people by what group they identify as, but instead judge them by their individual merits.
Obamacare will cover your preexisting condition if you get laid off.Her options are to buy her own health care, get a full time job, or do less work so she can qualify for Medicaid which is socialized. If she buys her own health care she can write off her premiums in her taxes since it isn't provided by employment. Also, if she has a certain amount of medical expenses she can deduct part of that by filling a schedule A.
So, she still has options. If she prioritized her health she could get coverage. I prioritize my health, I have type 1 diabetes; this is why I made sure I got employment with good health benefits.
KKK is a OK?
Obamacare will cover your preexisting condition if you get laid off.
If you redistribute wealth you disincentivize hard work and innovation.
Her options are to buy her own health care, get a full time job, or do less work so she can qualify for Medicaid which is socialized. If she buys her own health care she can write off her premiums in her taxes since it isn't provided by employment. Also, if she has a certain amount of medical expenses she can deduct part of that by filling a schedule A.
So, she still has options. If she prioritized her health she could get coverage. I prioritize my health, I have type 1 diabetes; this is why I made sure I got employment with good health benefits.
Same people who are spending $1T a year on corporate tax cuts?No, the people paying will cover that.
I was careful to chose a place where the likelihood is nill. I have the safe stable job, my wife to be has the high risk, high reward tech startup gig. I was in a situation where I needed to prioritize my health. I'm happy we have that freedom in America.Obamacare will cover your preexisting condition if you get laid off.
Same people who are spending $1T a year on corporate tax cuts?
Um, your questions that I responded to were answered. The influx of money came from nationalizing the oil companies and taking the profits and giving them to the poor. It ran out because the oil price tanked. Its based on Socialism and or a transition to Communism. Taking a private firm and making it nationalized is for sure not capitalism.
I did not address anything else beyond that because I do not feel it needs addressing.
I was careful to chose a place where the likelihood is nill. I have the safe stable job, my wife to be has the high risk, high reward tech startup gig. I was in a situation where I needed to prioritize my health. I'm happy we have that freedom in America.
There are lots of countries that have the same "freedoms" but with universal healthcare. Freedom is not just an american flag to wave around.
No, the pool of people paying into the system you are likely to be part of are not those people. Thus it follows that if there is an increased expense the people paying into that system are the ones covering you. I suppose you could try and say that all funds are fungible and thus the ultra wealthy are paying higher rates, but, really even that is super small. Ultimately the people paying for the preexisting conditions are not the ultra wealthy. Its really the young and healthy that are covering the sick.
I was careful to chose a place where the likelihood is nill. I have the safe stable job, my wife to be has the high risk, high reward tech startup gig. I was in a situation where I needed to prioritize my health. I'm happy we have that freedom in America.
