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Shamrock

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Maybe this is why Oompa Loompa blasted the judge, and called him by name (so his cronies can threaten judge?)

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J6 committee has decided to make criminal referrals. No comment on who's being referred or for what crimes--though Chairman Thompson did indicate 'perjury before Congress' is possible.

Not sure if we'll see this list at the same time as the final report, or if we'll have to wait and see what DOJ does. Remember, there's a decent chance more than half of what's referred is never charged, because Justice will have a higher bar vs. Congress when it comes to reviewing the evidence and deciding whether to indict/prosecute.

 
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Oh.... J6 committee criminal referrals? Is this something else that Trump can just ignore? Like everything else?
 
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Now will AG get her demand to dissolve the company and ban business in NYS?
 
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eelw said:
Now will AG get her demand to dissolve the company and ban business in NYS?
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Not directly as a result of this trial. Tax fraud case against the Trump Org is limited to maximum punitive fine of $1.6 million (plus of course repayment of back taxes owed & interest)
www.cnn.com

Trump Org. criminal tax fraud trial kicks off Monday | CNN Politics

Jury selection begins Monday in the Trump Organization's criminal tax fraud and grand larceny trial in New York, a symbolic moment following years of investigations that places former President Donald Trump's business before a jury.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
 
SMOGZINN

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MomentsofSanity said:
Bet this is going to be where businesses really aren't people and can't be held accountable afterall.

Who am I kidding... no sucker would take that bet.
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A maximum of $1.61 million in fines. The amount of the tax fraud was actually larger then the penalty for having gotten caught.
Really this is the punishment equivalent of a two dollar speeding ticket. They likely spent more on the lawyers to represent them in the case.
The only real penalty they will face is having to pay the taxes. Which they would have had to pay if they had not committed the crime.
Honestly, it sound like to me like it would be foolish for any large corporation to pay their taxes in New York.
 
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Trump doesn't pay lawyers (unless he can do it with other peoples' money, and I don't see how he could use contributions here). I would bet Trump has already looted these companies of assets and/or a corporate bankruptcy and dissolution is in the near future.

On the positive side, NY Tax Dept has the reputation of being a terrier in collections. They won't let go ever and the keep digging.
 
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MomentsofSanity said:
Bet this is going to be where businesses really aren't people and can't be held accountable afterall.

Who am I kidding... no sucker would take that bet.
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This is where the business will be characterized as the victim of a criminal employee which the owner of that business which was micro-managed by that owner isn't guilty of anything.

But looking into the toaster it looks to me like the toast is turning from orange gold to a darker brown and should soon pop out into an orange jump suit.
 
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SMOGZINN said:
A maximum of $1.61 million in fines. The amount of the tax fraud was actually larger then the penalty for having gotten caught.
Really this is the punishment equivalent of a two dollar speeding ticket. They likely spent more on the lawyers to represent them in the case.
The only real penalty they will face is having to pay the taxes. Which they would have had to pay if they had not committed the crime.
Honestly, it sound like to me like it would be foolish for any large corporation to pay their taxes in New York.
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The largest implication of this verdict is how it may bolster the state AG civil action, which in turn could shut the Trump Org down.

Still, I agree it is disappointing. Weiselberg wouldn't testify against Trump or his kids, and got off with only 5 months himself in exchange for testifying against the company. Sounds like a terrible deal there for the prosecution. They should have pushed forward without his testimony and tried to get a conviction on him for substantial jail time.

There is still the possibility of reviving the defunct case relating Michael Cohen and Stormy Daniels. But I don't see it going anywhere. I think the NY authorities have been and will continue to be impotent in regards to Trump.
 
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Moonbeam said:
This is where the business will be characterized as the victim of a criminal employee which the owner of that business which was micro-managed by that owner isn't guilty of anything.

But looking into the toaster it looks to me like the toast is turning from orange gold to a darker brown and should soon pop out into an orange jump suit.
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Yes. The right wing spin machine will definitely say there is no connection to Trump himself. They will claim any connection is fabricated conspiracy.

They will then immediately string together a connection between an email to Hunter Biden, a potential deal (ignoring if it is legal or not), a person referenced as "the big guy", and some crime committed by Joe Biden. This they will claim is fact.
 
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Mark Meadows messages are starting to leak out. Should be a treasure trove.

“Our last hope is Marshall Law!”: Leaked Mark Meadows texts reveal secret GOP Jan. 6 plotting | Salon.com

The trove of messages is incomplete and does not include Meadows' response. Norman did not respond to TPM when presented with a copy of the message.

The leaked messages include at least 364 texts from members of Congress to Meadows and at least 95 messages from Meadows to the lawmakers. The highest profile lawmakers involved in the plotting included Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas; Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio; and Rep. Mo Brooks, R-Ala. In one text message, longtime Trump adviser Jason Miller described Brooks as the "ringleader" of the effort to block the certification of the election results on Jan. 6.
 
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