Indictments coming...

[Jhhnn]

The way they act right now it could go the other way and turn into a dictatorship/civil war. As of right now trump can do no wrong its all fake news and deep state corruption. I held out hope for the longest but at this rate I'm convinced a good chunk of our population is brainwashed. It seemed so obvious before he even got elected he was a con man. By this time last year it was how can anyone believe a word this guy says? Now its just no matter what happens you know they're going to say you don't have the right facts you need to turn on fox and get away from the clinton news network.

I don't think so. Trump is a minority president installed by dint of the electoral college. He's also completely unfit for that office. It was one thing to vote for him in a fit of pique but it will be entirely another thing should he survive until 2020.

He can't maintain the illusion that long because he can't deliver.

 

[skull]

I dunno I'm in Trump country and I haven't seen his support waiver one bit. I don't think much has been done for any of the election meddling, which is only bound to get worse.

This past week is a perfect example of their insanity. If obama would of met with kim jung un in exactly the same way, said the same things and made the same deal. Conservatives would be raising all out hell but since its their boy, its he deserves a noble peace prize, trump is the greatest negotiator ever blah blah blah. He doesn't even have to deliver they just twist their minds around whatever crazy thing trump wants them to. Remember these same people are the ones that thought we should just nuke nk 6 months ago, now its can you believe those stupid liberals don't want peace.

 

[Jhhnn]

I dunno I'm in Trump country and I haven't seen his support waiver one bit. I don't think much has been done for any of the election meddling, which is only bound to get worse.

This past week is a perfect example of their insanity. If obama would of met with kim jung un in exactly the same way, said the same things and made the same deal. Conservatives would be raising all out hell but since its their boy, its he deserves a noble peace prize, trump is the greatest negotiator ever blah blah blah. He doesn't even have to deliver they just twist their minds around whatever crazy thing trump wants them to. Remember these same people are the ones that thought we should just nuke nk 6 months ago, now its can you believe those stupid liberals don't want peace.

That's the pitch they're receiving from Faux News & the rest of the right wing noise machine. We'll see who believes it in November. This election is a referendum on his leadership & the efforts of the GOP. They're extremely vulnerable because they're screwing the little guy w/o the proper foreplay...

 

[skull]

That's the pitch they're receiving from Faux News & the rest of the right wing noise machine. We'll see who believes it in November. This election is a referendum on his leadership & the efforts of the GOP. They're extremely vulnerable because they're screwing the little guy w/o the proper foreplay...

Out comes fox news to blame it on the democrats.

I guess well see though I've never voted democrat in my life but will be in november so anythings possible.

 

[shortylickens]

I don't think so. Trump is a minority president installed by dint of the electoral college. He's also completely unfit for that office. It was one thing to vote for him in a fit of pique but it will be entirely another thing should he survive until 2020.

He can't maintain the illusion that long because he can't deliver.

62 versus 65 million isnt much of a minority/majority situation. And after the last year and a half BOTH sides are considerably more angry and violent and hostile. His unfitness for office did nothing to hinder him in 2016, so I dont think it will matter much in 2020 either.

Everywhere I go on the internet and all I see in the news is assloads of people praising the guy for his "accomplishments" and either deflecting, defending, or ignoring all the horrific shit he's done in office and throughout his life. If so many people were living in denial back then they still will be in the immediate future. The guy could seriously get reelected.

Thats why I keep hoping for impeachment and eventual removal. Voting obviously wont protect us.

 

[Jhhnn]

62 versus 65 million isnt much of a minority/majority situation. And after the last year and a half BOTH sides are considerably more angry and violent and hostile. His unfitness for office did nothing to hinder him in 2016, so I dont think it will matter much in 2020 either.

Everywhere I go on the internet and all I see in the news is assloads of people praising the guy for his "accomplishments" and either deflecting, defending, or ignoring all the horrific shit he's done in office and throughout his life. If so many people were living in denial back then they still will be in the immediate future. The guy could seriously get reelected.

Thats why I keep hoping for impeachment and eventual removal. Voting obviously wont protect us.

I'm just pointing out the difference between imagining Trump as President & having him as President for 4 years.

 

[ivwshane]

62 versus 65 million isnt much of a minority/majority situation. And after the last year and a half BOTH sides are considerably more angry and violent and hostile. His unfitness for office did nothing to hinder him in 2016, so I dont think it will matter much in 2020 either.

Everywhere I go on the internet and all I see in the news is assloads of people praising the guy for his "accomplishments" and either deflecting, defending, or ignoring all the horrific shit he's done in office and throughout his life. If so many people were living in denial back then they still will be in the immediate future. The guy could seriously get reelected.

Thats why I keep hoping for impeachment and eventual removal. Voting obviously wont protect us.

You are looking at it in the wrong way. Trump lost the popular vote but still won, why? Because he had a superior strategy, in terms of electoral college votes. In the areas he won where Democrats traditionally did well, he only won by about 100k votes.

So the questions are is; is trump gaining supporters? It doesn't matter if his base remains strong, his base isn't what's going to give him another victory.

In the areas where he barely won, is he maintaining the voters he won over? Or, is he losing voters? Or, is anti trump voter enthusiasm increasing?

I haven't seen trump gaining voters by I have seen anti trump voter enthusiasm gaining ground over the previous election.

Of course there are no guarantees and there are so many other factors that can swing an election but if everything were the same as they were in 2016 but with the above differences, I think trump would lose.

 

[Younigue]

You are looking at it in the wrong way. Trump lost the popular vote but still won, why? Because he had a superior strategy, in terms of electoral college votes. In the areas he won where Democrats traditionally did well, he only won by about 100k votes.

So the questions are is; is trump gaining supporters? It doesn't matter if his base remains strong, his base isn't what's going to give him another victory.

In the areas where he barely won, is he maintaining the voters he won over? Or, is he losing voters? Or, is anti trump voter enthusiasm increasing?

I haven't seen trump gaining voters by I have seen anti trump voter enthusiasm gaining ground over the previous election.

Of course there are no guarantees and there are so many other factors that can swing an election but if everything were the same as they were in 2016 but with the above differences, I think trump would lose.

I agree. I actually believe lefties will show up in historically larger numbers to take that plague down.

 

[IronWing]

I agree. I actually believe lefties will show up in historically larger numbers to take that plague down.

There's a saying, "If your plan relies on aircraft for success, think of another plan." The same applies to relying on liberals and lefties showing up to vote.

 

[Younigue]

There's a saying, "If your plan relies on aircraft for success, think of another plan." The same applies to relying on liberals and lefties showing up to vote.

I am well aware that a belief does not in fact make something true. Evangelicals in the Trump Era are proving every day their beliefs are situational, fluid and grotesque and definitely not based on anything true. The difference is I'm hoping for something good to come of my belief. They call hate, belief.

 

[jackstar7]

To clarify something: Trump is NOT the world's greatest bullshit artist. He isn't even the most successful one. Rainmakers knew when to leave town, they didn't get elected mayor.

 

[Jhhnn]

To clarify something: Trump is NOT the world's greatest bullshit artist. He isn't even the most successful one. Rainmakers knew when to leave town, they didn't get elected mayor.

Think bigger-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobutu_Sese_Seko

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putin's_Kleptocracy

 

[pcgeek11]

@pcgeek11 and others who disparage the Mueller investigation for producing no evidence of collusion against Trump, what the hell do you expect them to produce while the investigation is ongoing? There is no precedent for indicting a sitting president, thus any findings against Trump would be delivered to Congress with recommendations after conclusion of the investigation. Until them, releasing any evidence collected is very much counter to their ability to conduct the investigation. The fact that nothing has come out from Mueller is strong evidence that he's running the investigation well. It means nothing as to whether they are likely to have criminal findings against Trump.

I don't disparage the investigation. I just do not jump to a conclusion before the facts are known.

 

[umbrella39]

62 versus 65 million isnt much of a minority/majority situation. And after the last year and a half BOTH sides are considerably more angry and violent and hostile. His unfitness for office did nothing to hinder him in 2016, so I dont think it will matter much in 2020 either.

Everywhere I go on the internet and all I see in the news is assloads of people praising the guy for his "accomplishments" and either deflecting, defending, or ignoring all the horrific shit he's done in office and throughout his life. If so many people were living in denial back then they still will be in the immediate future. The guy could seriously get reelected.

Thats why I keep hoping for impeachment and eventual removal. Voting obviously wont protect us.

You are very much correct. These people are not backing down or will ever admit they are the problem in this country and that they fucked up very bad. No... that won't happen. If anything it's emboldened them even more. No, it will take all the lazy moderates and liberals to put an end to this shit show. This will work if people vote.... however...

What we do going forward to assure this never happens again will be the rub...

 

[Paratus]

I don't disparage the investigation. I just do not jump to a conclusion before the facts are known.

Or even after the facts or known.

Unless there’s a Clinton involved of course:

I'll just leave this here:

Two of the four classified messages discovered in emails turned over to the State Department by Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton were labeled "top secret," the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee said Tuesday.

The development in the FBI inquiry came the same day that a top intelligence official whose office has been reviewing some of Clinton’s e-mails informed congressional leaders that top-secret information had been contained in two e-mails that traveled across the server.

Let her beat herself. Drag her into court just like they did to Petraeus. She is just as guilty as he is...

I thought everyone said this was a Republicanconspiracy and there was nothing to investigate.looks like maybe there is.

 

[pcgeek11]

Or even after the facts or known.

Unless there’s a Clinton involved of course:

Let me bold this part that was glossed over:

" I thought everyone said this was a Republican conspiracy and there was nothing to investigate. looks like maybe there is."

Please take note of the word INVESTIGATE and Looks like maybe there is.

And that the facts showed that she is just as guilty as Petraeus. Possibly more.

 

[fskimospy]

Let me bold this part that was glossed over:

" I thought everyone said this was a Republican conspiracy and there was nothing to investigate. looks like maybe there is."

Please take note of the word INVESTIGATE and Looks like maybe there is.

And that the facts showed that she is just as guilty as Petraeus. Possibly more.

They most certainly didn’t show that, that’s why the FBI cleared her, twice, and why Petraeus was convicted.

You clearly judged her before the investigation was complete in that post and there’s no way around it. Surely you can see why we can’t take your claims to want to wait to the end of the investigation here seriously. Right? Your partisanship got the better of your objectivity.

 

[Paratus]

Let me bold this part that was glossed over:

" I thought everyone said this was a Republican conspiracy and there was nothing to investigate. looks like maybe there is."

Please take note of the word INVESTIGATE and Looks like maybe there is.

And that the facts showed that she is just as guilty as Petraeus. Possibly more.

Looks to me like you said she just as guilty. Of course Petraeus was actually guilty and Clinton was only guilty in your mind.

I mean do you really expect us to believe you are someone reasonable instead of supremely partisan?

If their conservative - benefit of the doubt
If they are liberal - probably guilty
If they are Clinton - Gulity Guilty Guilty!

 

[pcgeek11]

They most certainly didn’t show that, that’s why the FBI cleared her, twice, and why Petraeus was convicted.

You clearly judged her before the investigation was complete in that post and there’s no way around it. Surely you can see why we can’t take your claims to want to wait to the end of the investigation here seriously. Right? Your partisanship got the better of your objectivity.

I see you can't read very well either.

 

[pcgeek11]

Looks to me like you said she just as guilty. Of course Petraeus was actually guilty and Clinton was only guilty in your mind.

I mean do you really expect us to believe you are someone reasonable instead of supremely partisan?

If their conservative - benefit of the doubt
If they are liberal - probably guilty
If they are Clinton - Gulity Guilty Guilty!

You obviously do not understand the written word.

Petraeus mishandled sensitive information. So did Hillary. Those are the facts.

 

[fskimospy]

I see you can't read very well either.

We can both read just fine, we just aren’t trying to invent reasons we aren’t hypocrites, haha.

 

[pcgeek11]

We can both read just fine, we just aren’t trying to invent reasons we aren’t hypocrites, haha.

Whatever makes you feel better, haha.

 

[Jhhnn]

Or even after the facts or known.

Unless there’s a Clinton involved of course:

He's not willing to examine his own beliefs. You just gave him an opening for whatabouthillaryism. It's a form of Denial.

 

[fskimospy]

Whatever makes you feel better, haha.

Look, you are saying now we should wait until the investigation is over and before you were perfectly fine with declaring Clinton guilty even though that statement turned out to be false.

Hell, you’re still sticking to it even after the FBI told you that you’re wrong, repeatedly. Let me guess though, that just shows they are biased, not you.

 

[pcgeek11]

Look, you are saying now we should wait until the investigation is over and before you were perfectly fine with declaring Clinton guilty even though that statement turned out to be false.

Hell, you’re still sticking to it even after the FBI told you that you’re wrong, repeatedly. Let me guess though, that just shows they are biased, not you.

Hillary mishandled classified documents.
Petraeus mishandled classified documents.

Both of those statements are facts. They are both guilty.

The FBI was overly generous to Hillary when compared to many other cases such as the sailor that took some photos and went to jail.