India's Caste System Still an Obstacle to Modernization

[Infohawk]

http://www.thenational.ae/business/economy/india-must-remove-shackles-to-achieve-true-labour-reform

The turbaned father standing next to the clearly uncomfortable young man, answered in a sonorous voice: "Sir, we don't give up our votes, women or jobs to any other caste except our own." Turns out that the town a mere two hours away was dominated by a caste that was different from the one where the young man lived. The father wanted his son's job for his own town; his own caste.

"However, in 2011, the only variable which is exactly where it was in 1991 is the percentage of our labour force employed in the informal sector [part of the economy that is not taxed], which is a whopping 93 per cent." This shameful statistic means that companies have only been able to maintain their share of the labour force at a dismal 8 per cent. Most Indians in the workforce are self-employed, often self-under-employed. Nearly 8 million to 10 million join the workforce each year.

It's a shame India's still being held back by its primitive caste system. It's hard to imagine it will escape from its third world status if it clings on to outdated prejudices.

 

[CanOWorms]

Many first-world nations still cling to primitive and barbaric practices. See the monarchy caste system in various European nations and Canada.

They will need to continue to fix their societal ills as they advance and enter the first world and seek to pass those countries though. They have a very aggressive affirmative action program regarding it and certain tribes. Their constitutional jurisprudence took a different direction from the US where we have chipped away from allowable Affirmative Action (unfortunately), but their Constitution has been interpreted as requiring Affirmative Action.

 

[Infohawk]

"Monarchy caste system" is not a real thing. You just made it up. But this thread is about India. Try to focus, COW.

Also, India's affirmative action program doesn't seem to be working very well. How long has in been in place?

 

[Steeplerot]

Many first-world nations still cling to primitive and barbaric practices. See the monarchy caste system in various European nations and Canada.

They will need to continue to fix their societal ills as they advance and enter the first world and seek to pass those countries though. They have a very aggressive affirmative action program regarding it and certain tribes. Their constitutional jurisprudence took a different direction from the US where we have chipped away from allowable Affirmative Action (unfortunately), but their Constitution has been interpreted as requiring Affirmative Action.

Ah, I see now, you are one of those Nationalists who blame the contemporary ills of India for past UK and European colonial wrongs. Wow, so do you think Comrade Bapu would have thought you are taking responsibility for yourselves by still using UK as an excuse? He asked Indians and all people to work together in brotherhood. Just asking because you seem to be angry at normal people who want to eat and work and have families.

 

[CanOWorms]

"Monarchy caste system" is not a real thing. You just made it up. But this thread is about India. Try to focus, COW.

Also, India's affirmative action program doesn't seem to be working very well. How long has in been in place?

Of course it's a real thing. Do you think that monarchy is imaginary? And I am focusing on what you posted. Try not to have your ADD take control.

Why do you say that their program hasn't been working very well? One of the most brutalized and poorest nations in the world has managed to lift itself from British slavery and is becoming one of the world powers.

Do you think that affirmative action is not an appropriate program to deal with massive societal failures?

 

[CanOWorms]

Ah, I see now, you are one of those Nationalists who blame the contemporary ills of India for past UK and European colonial wrongs. Wow, so do you think Comrade Bapu would have thought you are taking responsibility for yourselves by still using UK as an excuse? He asked Indians and all people to work together in brotherhood. Just asking because you seem to be angry at normal people who want to eat and work and have families.

I'm not Indian, so how can I be an Indian nationalist?

However, I do blame many of the barriers in the third world to colonialism. I don't see how anyone can claim otherwise. Just in India alone, over 100 million were slaughtered for the greed of the British Empire. Do you think that has no consequences today?

Ah, I see now. You're some rabid far-right pro-genocide maniac who is mad at me for advocating Affirmative Action programs to help people.

 

[dmcowen674]

It's a shame India's still being held back by its primitive caste system.

It's hard to imagine it will escape from its third world status if it clings on to outdated prejudices.

What are you talking about? It is apparently the wave of the future and it's not only here but here to stay.

Look at posts here for example with the Rich Republican posters such as CC just said to me "Sucks to be poor like you" as he goes out to purchase a new giant SUV.

Or at work where one guy calls the other guy a dog in his culture.

The Caste system is clearly the hip thing.

 

[Steeplerot]

I'm not Indian, so how can I be an Indian nationalist?

However, I do blame many of the barriers in the third world to colonialism. I don't see how anyone can claim otherwise. Just in India alone, over 100 million were slaughtered for the greed of the British Empire. Do you think that has no consequences today?

Ah, I see now. You're some rabid far-right pro-genocide maniac who is mad at me for advocating Affirmative Action programs to help people.

No I think you hate people because of old history. I have never even heard of anyone hating India, I think Indian peoples are one of the greatest and strongest in history and of course number of people.

But your hate of European people reminds me of a thug. That is not the Indian people I know of. I hope you find some happiness with life.

 

[CanOWorms]

No I think you hate people because of old history. I have never even heard of anyone hating India, I think Indian peoples are one of the greatest and strongest in history and people.

But your hate of European people remind me of a thug. That is not the Indian people I know of. I hope you find some happiness with life.

Hating of governments is not hating of a people.

Why are you trying to scrub out the history of genocides and the effects it has today? Do you hate the groups that it affected? Are you sad that the genocides were not successful? What other topics do you extend your holocaust denial to?

 

[Steeplerot]

Hating of governments is not hating of a people.

Why are you trying to scrub out the history of genocides and the effects it has today?

No one is saying such a thing except you. The British Empire was brutal, as in the USA they were to the aborigines here. Every peoples have evil if you look at the past hard enough -and same with good! Today we can all talk and communicate, these bad things cannot happen as easily. But keeping old hate will never help the world move on from our terrible past.

The reality is the whole human race is a pretty shameful sorry lot for how we treat one another. But every human born has the chance to not carry anger with them for the past.

What would make you feel better for the past? What is it you want from the UK? I have no stake in this at all CoW. I like all peoples as long as they are good individuals. You always want to be negative about things that happened when almost none of us were alive. What could someone do?

 

[OutHouse]

Many first-world nations still cling to primitive and barbaric practices. See the monarchy caste system in various European nations and Canada.

canada has a caste system?

 

[CanOWorms]

No one is saying such a thing except you. The British Empire was brutal, as in the USA they were to the aborigines here. Every peoples have evil if you look at the past hard enough -and same with good! Today we can all talk and communicate, these bad things cannot happen as easily. But keeping old hate will never help the world move on from our terrible past.

I see that you criticized the USA there. Do you hate Americans? Because apparently that's how you view things.

Nobody is keeping "old hate" here. I criticize the current policies of these countries, but also mention how other ills are the result of history, especially because many people try to erase the history so that it can repeat - with potentially billions dying this time.

However, many people keep racial hate here. Those who deny genocides tend to be among that group and you do deny genocides. Why?

The reality is the whole human race is a pretty shameful sorry lot for how we treat one another. But every human born has the chance to not carry anger with them for the past.

What would make you feel better for the past? What is it you want from the UK? I have no stake in this at all CoW. I like all peoples as long as they are good individuals. You always want to be negative about things that happened when almost none of us were alive. What could someone do?

Recognize that the past affects the future and that the current policies do nothing but lead to more genocide and death. The constant denial and rewriting of history leads to the same disasters happening over and over again.

 

[Steeplerot]

Hating of governments is not hating of a people.

Then please remember yourself saying this when you get angry. You sound sometimes as bad as others. This may be an anonymous forum but why make your cause sound so divisive? You do not help people listen to what you have to say if you type before you think sometimes. But we are all human. (*ahem* me edit a post? lol)

 

[dmcowen674]

canada has a caste system?

Mounties and the Mounted?

 

[CanOWorms]

canada has a caste system?

Yes, they have a monarchy.

 

[CanOWorms]

Then please remember yourself saying this when you get angry. You sound sometimes as bad as others. This may be an anonymous forum but why make your cause sound so divisive? You do not help people listen to what you have to say if you type before you think sometimes. But we are all human. (*ahem* me edit a post? lol)

Many of the people I argue with here are white supremacists or other far-right radicals. They get angry solely because of my presence.

 

[Infohawk]

Of course it's a real thing. Do you think that monarchy is imaginary?

No, the monarchy is not imaginary, but the "monarchy caste system" is. And I didn't bring up Canada or the UK. You had to troll it in though.

90% of Indians don't have jobs with actual organizations. That's very backwards. Unfortunately, they don't have much hope if Indians try to blame others for their problems like you do.

 

[Steeplerot]

Many of the people I argue with here are white supremacists or other far-right radicals. They get angry solely because of my presence.

For real CoW I think you are very involved emotionally in issues in Asia and past problems where people in the USA who dominate this forum quite a bit are kinda detached from the world. It's not that they hate you its just that they do not understand, know about or are more about concerning themselves with stuff around them they can relate to on a personal level.

I have a lot of pet issues also that people could care less about in here. It sucks but remember, a lot of folks here are rural and only were taught one language. USA is a odd place. It' a big bubble of shiny petty distractions so I would not take peoples bs personally or that anyone hates you. (unless they said so directly -then f-em if they dont like you anyhow)

 

[Infohawk]

I'm not Indian, so how can I be an Indian nationalist?

You yourself have said you have Indian heritage haven't you? You may not be an Indian citizen but you seem to still have a thirld world outlook. Most Americans don't give a crap about the UK. But you're obsessed with the UK because they ruled your ancestral land.

Why don't you free yourself from your hatred and old allegiances? Most other Indian immigrants have done so. (And huge amount of them live in the UK!)

 

[OutHouse]

Mounties and the Mounted?

lol

 

[OutHouse]

Yes, they have a monarchy.

who is the king/queen?

 

[CanOWorms]

No, the monarchy is not imaginary, but the "monarchy caste system" is. And I didn't bring up Canada or the UK. You had to troll it in though.

90% of Indians don't have jobs with actual organizations. That's very backwards. Unfortunately, they don't have much hope if Indians try to blame others for their problems like you do.

You stated that they wouldn't be able to break out from third world status if they cling on to outdated prejudices. Bringing up the monarchy caste system in other developed nations is my argument that is not necessarily correct. However, I further stated that if they want to go beyond those nations then of course they will need to go beyond the barbarism.

 

[busydude]

Today's interpretation of caste system is extremely ridiculous and not even a shadow of its original idea.

Today, almost all believe that people are born into a particular caste. Like a boy born in a Brahmin family automatically becomes a Brahmin. If that would have been the case originally.. then Vyasa Maharshi could not have written the Mahabharata.. since was born in a family of a fisherman and he is also called as "compiler of Vedas." one cannot imagine someone from a family of fisherman reciting Vedas today.

With regards to OP; corruption and caste are major hurdles in today's India.

I have a question regarding the title of this thread; What is your definition of modernization? The articles deals with the issues of caste system preventing a true labor reform.. How does modernization have anything to with this?

 

[CanOWorms]

You yourself have said you have Indian heritage haven't you? You may not be an Indian citizen but you seem to still have a thirld world outlook. Most Americans don't give a crap about the UK. But you're obsessed with the UK because they ruled your ancestral land.

Why don't you free yourself from your hatred and old allegiances? Most other Indian immigrants have done so. (And huge amount of them live in the UK!)

Please elaborate on what a third world outlook happens to be. Thanks.

Many Americans do give a crap about the UK, including yourself. You yourself believe that the UK is a white homeland and thus my criticism of that country's policies is viewed as a racial attack against your racial pride. You don't seem to be able to go beyond the color of my skin.

Sorry, but I don't have any allegiance to another country. I have to ask why don't you free yourself of your hatred and old allegiances. Most other Americans have done so. Most Americans don't go around denying holocausts, freak out when someone criticizes Europe, etc. They don't view everything in terms of racial supremacy. Everything is about a race war with you.

 

[CanOWorms]

who is the king/queen?

Elizabeth II