Indiana becomes a right to work state

[Texashiker]

Agreed. With that mind, if you argument is that union shops are generally SAFER than non-union shops, a worker at a union shop should be making LESS than one at a non union shop.

This goes back to the walmart argument I brought up earlier.

Wages should be based on several things, but a lot of it should be how much the company can afford to pay.

With companies like apple that are making billions in profits, there is no reason to pay their employees sub-par wages.

With companies like walmart, there is no excuse not to pay good quality wages.

If the companies can make billions in profits, the employees should reap their fair share.

 

[halik]

This goes back to the walmart argument I brought up earlier.

Wages should be based on several things, but a lot of it should be how much the company can afford to pay.

With companies like apple that are making billions in profits, there is no reason to pay their employees sub-par wages.

With companies like walmart, there is no excuse not to pay good quality wages.

If the companies can make billions in profits, the employees should reap their fair share.

I think walmart is a different story, given that they extract their value from the lower class (outsource everything to china hurts the lower class the most) and pass on only a part of that value via lower prices back to their shoppers (lower class again).

Fundamentally wages are based on the value of what you do for that company - if you have a valuable skill set (kick ass welder etc), you don't really need a union to group as some sort of commodity and demand wages on your behalf.

 

[Texashiker]

This is true.

Fundamentally wages are based on the value of what you do for that company - if you have a valuable skill set (kick ass welder etc), you don't really need a union to group as some sort of commodity and demand wages on your behalf.

Its a matter of supply and demand.

I have seen places that needed skilled welders so bad, they would hire people on the spot.

But then again, I worked at a shop where the management refused to raise the wages. I saw welders find out how much the shop paid, they laughed all the way out the front door.

 

[Ausm]

I don't think that's a secret. Unemployment is the other way around - see Michigan etc. I much rather have more people working, than few people making inflated money at the cost of others' joblessness.

Fundamentally, if you have this skilled trade asset that's valuable, why do you need a union to inflate your wages?

Now that is a reasonable question, Where I live Unions have been active in labor for the last 100 years.

Walker is doing his damndest to kill Unions right now so I can honestly answer our question.

I do know that Unions have been on the Republican radar since their inception but now with ALEC'S Agenda we can see a huge assault on Unions throughout the Midwest.

The ONLY reason Republicans want to annihilate the Unions is to take away their contributions to the DNC...simple as that.

 

[Ausm]

LMAO!!!!! Using a liberal biased site to back up your fear mongering.

I know all the main OEMs of industrial equipment in the Houston area pay their skilled worker at the same levels as if not better than union wages.

Accusing a Liberal of fearmongering now that's a new one...hey buddy your party cornered the market on that about 50 years ago...

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Accusing a Liberal of fearmongering now that's a new one...hey buddy your party cornered the market on that about 50 years ago...

Doesn't change the fact liberals use fearmongering as well, your posts in this thread are fearmongering cut and dry.

 

[Ausm]

Doesn't change the fact liberals use fearmongering as well, your posts in this thread are fearmongering cut and dry.

Hmm so common sense makes you scared? Well I guess you fit in most Righties are extremely paranoid.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Hmm so common sense makes you scared? Well I guess you fit in most Righties are extremely paranoid.

Why would I be scared? I live in a "Right to Work" state and I make wages far better than any union worker up north. You on the other hand are scared that Wisconsin may be the next state to become "Right to Work".

 

[glenn1]

If a worker doesn't want to join what's stopping them from finding a new job?

Challenge accepted:

 

[Ausm]

Challenge accepted:

And this is relevant to my post how?

 

[Ausm]

Why would I be scared? I live in a "Right to Work" state and I make wages far better than any union worker up north. You on the other hand are scared that Wisconsin may be the next state to become "Right to Work".

Then how can you claim I am fearmongering then? Oh you mean I am not regurgitating Right Wing talking points....Got ya

Oh I doubt we will be a Right to work State because right now 4 Republican Senators are fighting for their life in a Recall as is our Dictator in chief and Lt. Dictator.

Speaking of Walker, go visit the other thread you love to stalk because I am posting a Scooter update.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

You take away the Unions it would be a matter of time where every blue collar work would be making minimum wage and if the GOP got their way to eliminate the Minimum wage then we would turn into a 3rd world Country.

No doubt this is fearmongering. You state becoming a "Right to Work" state will cause skilled workers to become paupers and US would become a 3rd world country.

 

[Ausm]

No doubt this is fearmongering. You state becoming a "Right to Work" state will cause skilled workers to become paupers and US would become a 3rd world country.

I would consider it fact...fuck if I wanted to live in a shithole Right to work State, I would be your next door neighbor.

 

[sactoking]

This is true.


Its a matter of supply and demand. I have seen places that needed skilled welders so bad, they would hire people on the spot.

But then again, I worked at a shop where the management refused to raise the wages. I saw welders find out how much the shop paid, they laughed all the way out the front door.

Hiring unskilled workers is a good excuse for the second richest family in the US to pay poverty level wages? No.

I know people who work construction at local chemical plants making $20 an hour. All they have to do is hand the skilled craftsmen their tools.

Walmart is a good example of the divide between the rich and poor.

Instead of paying a liveable wage, walmart pays poverty level wages. To compensate for the low wages, the workers sign up on social benefit programs. This was the tax payers subsidize the wages of walmart employees.

If a chemical plant can pay people $20 an hour to be a helper (laborer), walmart can pay a liveable wage.

The difference is, unions help make the wages in the chemical plants what it is today.

Your positions don't reconcile. Yes, it is a matter of supply and demand. The supply of Wal-Mart qualified workers is enormous. Demand is moderate. Thus, oversupply pushes wages down.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I would consider it fact...fuck if I wanted to live in a shithole Right to work State, I would be your next door neighbor.

So you're admitting that this is your opinion. You and McOwned are like two peas in a pod.

Please show everyone using a non-biased source that backs up you claims that the skilled workers would being getting paid minimum wage and the US become a 3rd world country due to a state becoming "Right to Work".

 

[Ausm]

So you're admitting that this is your opinion. You and McOwned are like two peas in a pod.

Please show everyone using a non-biased source that backs up you claims that the skilled workers would being getting paid minimum wage and the US become a 3rd world country due to a state becoming "Right to Work".

LOL see some blood in the water eh? Well I posted proof which you rejected. I personally don't give a fuck if you believe it or not.

Oh do you know what a definition of a Forum is by chance? It where people post their opinions. I'm glad you never posted any of yours.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

LOL see some blood in the water eh? Well I posted proof which you rejected. I personally don't give a fuck if you believe it or not.

Oh do you know what a definition of a Forum is by chance? It where people post their opinions. I'm glad you never posted any of yours.

LMAO!!!! Preach on fearmonger, maybe someone will actually buy into your fears. I will continue to make good money and not have to pay any dues,

 

[Throckmorton]

With wages only controlled by market forces, slight changes in unemployment would cause drastic changes in wages. There's also a power imbalance because an individual needs a wage more than an employer needs a single worker.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Why can wal-mart pay poverty level wages?

Because people will work for that money.

 

[Patranus]

And illegal to fire you for joining the union.

I disagree.
A business owner should certainly have the right to not deal with a union if they choose.

 

[hal2kilo]

Ah, what do you expect from a state that had the largest membership in the KKK north of the Mason-Dixon.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Ah, what do you expect from a state that had the largest membership in the KKK north of the Mason-Dixon.

Are you insinuating that people that support Right to Work are Klan members?

 

[RampantAndroid]

I guess unions bring so much positive, that people don't feel worthy to be in the presence of their awesomeness; thus the need for laws requiring
workers to join.

I know a bunch of people who work at boeing. One whose previous job was at a smaller shop doing welding and such. He hated the union, it did more to hurt him, and he hates having to pay union dues (for the previous job, and the current boeing job.) He's said he would rather not be in a union, period.

So yeah, you're totally right, they're so awesome.

 

[Ausm]

LMAO!!!! Preach on fearmonger, maybe someone will actually buy into your fears. I will continue to make good money and not have to pay any dues,

You may consider it fearmongering in your own mind and you have the right.

Do you make good money flipping burgers at McDonald's?

 

[Patranus]

I know a bunch of people who work at boeing. One whose previous job was at a smaller shop doing welding and such. He hated the union, it did more to hurt him, and he hates having to pay union dues (for the previous job, and the current boeing job.) He's said he would rather not be in a union, period.

So yeah, you're totally right, they're so awesome.

Its kinda funny because Unions are essentially what the 99ers are bitching about.
They are government backed organizations used to extort money from the public to subsidize the extravagant lifestyles of the few at the top.