Originally posted by: beer
Originally posted by: MindStorm
Originally posted by: beer
I have two cousins, one a combat pilot, and an uncle in the USAF. To compare the USAF and the IAF is insulting to them. Not to mention the contractors who build these planes.
Then I guess it's more insulting when not only the IAF was compared to the USAF, but owned them. Ouch. Really, take thereds advice and calm the hell down.
Right, the F-15s suck so much that we have never lost a single plane in combat, including Gulf War 1 against the most advanced Russian SAMs in the world
Beer, you not only have a stick shoved up your ass, but it's shoved so far up there it's preventing you from reading your copy of Jane's clearly.
-- We HAVE lost planes in combat. Think Vietnam, MANY MANY MANY pilots and planes were lost. Think Gulf War I, you remember those TV images of pilots being held captive by Iraq? The pilots reading statements where were then broadcast all over the world?
-- Missles are great and all but they are not the be all end all of Air Combat. In fact, if you paid any attention to your cousins and uncle at all you would know that the entire reason that the Top Gun school was created is because pilots were losing their ability to dogfight and it was costing them heavily in Vietnam.
now on topic:
Whether or not the planes, the pilots or anything else made a difference...eh, it's not for me to decide. I've got about 10 lines to describe 10 days of flying with very few details.