India - Pakistan Crisis

[crisscross]

Instead of going into Iraq, if GWB really cared about making the world a safer place he should have gone into Pakistan and dismantled their Nuclear weapons. The reason why Pakistan is doing it does is because it has nukes and every time India threatens to take action. Pakistan runs to mummy and cries of a Nuclear conflict.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

indoland murdabad pakistan zindabad lol

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: crisscross
Instead of going into Iraq, if GWB really cared about making the world a safer place he should have gone into Pakistan and dismantled their Nuclear weapons. The reason why Pakistan is doing it does is because it has nukes and every time India threatens to take action. Pakistan runs to mummy and cries of a Nuclear conflict.

So you mean to say that India's threats are justified. You are sick, twisted and brainwashed. And lets see you try and take our nuclear weapons. Tel Aviv and your bases in the region will be wastelands come what may.

 

[The Green Bean]

Adm. Mike Mullen asked Pakistan for a guarantee that Pakistan Air Force will not respond to Indian surgical strikes. General Kayani is said to have responded with showing Mullen a photograph of an IAF Mirage-2000 locked by Pakistan Air Forces? F-16 taken on December 13. ?Next time, we?ll bring it down?, Mullen was told. To make sure the message was loud and clear, Pakistan Air Force jets started patrolling the skies in hot mode and a red-alert was issued throughout the country. The Indian war rhetoric has failed to impress Pakistan. Instead, the focus is now shifting to Indian intelligence agencies? failure to put together credible evidence implicating Pakistan in the Mumbai attacks.

http://www.ahmedquraishi.com/article_detail.php?id=564

 

[The Green Bean]

?I don?t think that conscientious Pakistani nation and brave armed forces of Pakistan will accept such a situation. This will be shameful and render Pakistan submission to India,? the retired General said.

He called upon the rulers to explain their position in this regard. He said that the US was after ridiculing the sovereignty of Pakistan only to please India and Mullen had come with a dangerous message.



UPDATE: Reports coming in from variuos sources suggest that COAS Kiyani yesterday made it clear that regardless of how the civilan government chooses to respond to the US request to allow Indian ?surgical strikes?, Pakistan Army will not accept any Indian intrusion. The scrambling of jets over Lahore and Islamabad yesterday was part of this and the armed forces are alert and ready to defend against any Indian action.

Kiyani is also said to have told US Michael Mullen that in event of any aggression from India, the US and NATO can ?forget about? using Pakistan territory to supply their forces in Afghanistan as all resources will be diverted to defending against India on the eastern border.

http://www.ahmedquraishi.com/article_detail.php?id=562

 

[crisscross]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: crisscross
Instead of going into Iraq, if GWB really cared about making the world a safer place he should have gone into Pakistan and dismantled their Nuclear weapons. The reason why Pakistan is doing it does is because it has nukes and every time India threatens to take action. Pakistan runs to mummy and cries of a Nuclear conflict.

So you mean to say that India's threats are justified. You are sick, twisted and brainwashed. And lets see you try and take our nuclear weapons. Tel Aviv and your bases in the region will be wastelands come what may.

umm what? watch the damn video i posted you dickhead. Pakistan is a shit hole. Look at your damn history with the Taliban and AQ Khan. The guy who gave nukes to rogue nation is under freaking "house arrest" and the US is not doing a damn thing about it.

After the Kandahar hijacking in 1999. India released Maulana Masood Azhar who went to Karachi and gave a public speech talking about all that he had done. After the Parliament attacks he again gave a public speech proudly talking about how he executed the attacks.

Masood Azhar roams free and after the US put pressure on him you had him under house arrest for 2 months!!!

What the fuck do you want proof for to shove it up your arse? Your country is a banana republic and you are a slimeball.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: crisscross

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: crisscross
Instead of going into Iraq, if GWB really cared about making the world a safer place he should have gone into Pakistan and dismantled their Nuclear weapons. The reason why Pakistan is doing it does is because it has nukes and every time India threatens to take action. Pakistan runs to mummy and cries of a Nuclear conflict.

So you mean to say that India's threats are justified. You are sick, twisted and brainwashed. And lets see you try and take our nuclear weapons. Tel Aviv and your bases in the region will be wastelands come what may.

umm what? watch the damn video i posted you dickhead. Pakistan is a shit hole. Look at your damn history with the Taliban and AQ Khan. The guy who gave nukes to rogue nation is under freaking "house arrest" and the US is not doing a damn thing about it.

After the Kandahar hijacking in 1999. India released Maulana Masood Azhar who went to Karachi and gave a public speech talking about all that he had done. After the Parliament attacks he again gave a public speech proudly talking about how he executed the attacks.

Masood Azhar roams free and after the US put pressure on him you had him under house arrest for 2 months!!!

What the fuck do you want proof for to shove it up your arse? Your country is a banana republic and you are a slimeball.

Retard, watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7Jq_zb9x8s

It's a government official in India boasting how he killed muslims.

And too bad you can't do anything to my country. Go fuck off.

 

[crisscross]

wow.. look which country is talking about Minority right hear hear.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: crisscross
wow.. look which country is talking about Minority right hear hear.

We have about 1% non-muslims and you won't hear any complains from them. A few are good friends of mine. A hindu made it to the international test cricket team. A christian did too. That's about 2 in 40 players.

Above all that video is a justification of the existence of Pakistan.

Another recent story

A Divided Cityscape

Denying Muslims housing is shaping the city of Surat into ?ours? and ?theirs?

TRIDIP SUHRUD

HOW IS one to understand the decision of the real estate developers and agents of Surat not to sell or rent houses or commercial properties to Muslims of the city? ?
Cover Story

Illustration Anand Naorem

We want to control the percentage of Muslims with properties and shops in our areas,? was the official explanation of the association that called the meeting of builders. This, they argued, was a precautionary measure against Mumbai-like terror attacks and the failed bomb strikes against Surat in July. No terror attack could be planned or carried out without local support, they argued. This comes at a time when Muslim groups in the country have assiduously distanced themselves from the Mumbai terror attack. The Babri Masjid Action Committee decided not to observe December 6 as a ?black day?, Eid was marked by mourning, and a few months ago, the Darul Uloom at Deoband had unequivocally declared terror as being un-Islamic.

This could be seen as a public acknowledgement of a process that has been going on for a long time, not just in Surat or Gujarat but also elsewhere in the country. Terror is only the upper layer of many deepseated fears, which include in Gujarat fears of non-vegetarianism. But it is not just an expression of cultural fear or a communal mindset. It is also a sign of a newly-emerging cityscape. It is possible to speak of a city as being divided into ?our? areas and ?their? areas. It conveys a belief that a city can be conceived as being inhabited by mutually exclusive community groups, with no interdependence, either in terms of trade and commerce or in the sense of a shared daily life. It claims that the new city will have no ?public spaces? but only community specific institutions: separate schools, hospitals, commercial establishments and also separate underworlds. In this new city, it is possible to speak in terms of ?boarders.? And as Juhapura in Ahmedabad would testify, this boarder is not imaginary or pathological. It is real, in all its brick and mortar materiality. What they hope to create is a city of ?a permanent underclass.?

But it is not only this imagination that drives Surat. Surat was and is an entrepreneurial city; with diamonds and textiles driving the city?s growth. It is a city that is capable of exemplary civic will, as the post-plague period in the city?s recent past demonstrated. Surat?s economic ambitions are at variance with its desire to create separate enclosures for its Muslims and Hindus. What they do not recognise is that an entrepreneurial city cannot survive with a permanent underbelly.

For Surat, it also conveys a deep amnesia about its own history and cultural moorings. Surat, on the banks of the river Tapi, has been a major trading port since medieval times. The Arabs, Mughals, Portuguese, English, Dutch and the French all came to Surat and contributed to its cultural and architectural imagination, which are still in evidence, if recessive in memory. Surat was the most cosmopolitan of urban settlements on the west coast of Gujarat, before the emergence of Mumbai. Surat celebrates its association with Narmad, the poet, lexicographer and historian of the city, who gave us the song ?Jay Jay Garvi Gujarat.? Its major university is named after Narmad. But it also violates Narmad?s memory. It was Narmad who asked the question of ?Who does Gujarat belong to?? He listed all the cultural and religious symbols, communities and caste groups and said that Gujarat does not belong to anyone of them. He sang that Gujarat belongs to all those who make Gujarat their home.

If Surat wants to prosper as an entrepreneurial city, it can do so only by reclaiming its forgotten cosmopolitan character, and not as a city that seeks the erasure of a large part of its citizenry.

http://www.tehelka.com/story_m...e=Ne271208proscons.asp

India for muslims is much worse than Pakistan for hindus. And read my first post. I have family there. I've been to Gujarat. They don't even let you eat meat there.

 

[palehorse]

Stop exporting terrorism.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: palehorse
Stop exporting terrorism.

Stop exporting bullshit. Get out of my thread.

 

[yours truly]

green bean take a chill pill, 60 years ago your family were indian

im british indian myself, over here we're all pakis

innit

 

[tvarad]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: crisscross
wow.. look which country is talking about Minority right hear hear.

We have about 1% non-muslims and you won't hear any complains from them. A few are good friends of mine. A hindu made it to the international test cricket team. A christian did too. That's about 2 in 40 players.

Above all that video is a justification of the existence of Pakistan.

....

TGB,


I remember these boards swarming with guys like you seeking justification for Pakistan's existence through events in India. If I were you, I'd be worried about the very existence of Pakistan as it is being eaten alive from within and without. Justification for it's existence is a luxury you cannot afford.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: hopeless74
green bean take a chill pill, 60 years ago your family were indian

im british indian myself, over here we're all pakis

innit

 

[keird]

Originally posted by: tvarad

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: crisscross
wow.. look which country is talking about Minority right hear hear.

We have about 1% non-muslims and you won't hear any complains from them. A few are good friends of mine. A hindu made it to the international test cricket team. A christian did too. That's about 2 in 40 players.

Above all that video is a justification of the existence of Pakistan.

....

TGB,


I remember these boards swarming with guys like you seeking justification for Pakistan's existence through events in India. If I were you, I'd be worried about the very existence of Pakistan as it is being eaten alive from within and without. Justification for it's existence is a luxury you cannot afford.

Nice Lurk, tvarad!

 

[crisscross]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: crisscross
wow.. look which country is talking about Minority right hear hear.

We have about 1% non-muslims and you won't hear any complains from them. A few are good friends of mine. A hindu made it to the international test cricket team. A christian did too. That's about 2 in 40 players.

Above all that video is a justification of the existence of Pakistan.

Another recent story

A Divided Cityscape

Denying Muslims housing is shaping the city of Surat into ?ours? and ?theirs?

TRIDIP SUHRUD

HOW IS one to understand the decision of the real estate developers and agents of Surat not to sell or rent houses or commercial properties to Muslims of the city? ?
Cover Story

Illustration Anand Naorem

We want to control the percentage of Muslims with properties and shops in our areas,? was the official explanation of the association that called the meeting of builders. This, they argued, was a precautionary measure against Mumbai-like terror attacks and the failed bomb strikes against Surat in July. No terror attack could be planned or carried out without local support, they argued. This comes at a time when Muslim groups in the country have assiduously distanced themselves from the Mumbai terror attack. The Babri Masjid Action Committee decided not to observe December 6 as a ?black day?, Eid was marked by mourning, and a few months ago, the Darul Uloom at Deoband had unequivocally declared terror as being un-Islamic.

This could be seen as a public acknowledgement of a process that has been going on for a long time, not just in Surat or Gujarat but also elsewhere in the country. Terror is only the upper layer of many deepseated fears, which include in Gujarat fears of non-vegetarianism. But it is not just an expression of cultural fear or a communal mindset. It is also a sign of a newly-emerging cityscape. It is possible to speak of a city as being divided into ?our? areas and ?their? areas. It conveys a belief that a city can be conceived as being inhabited by mutually exclusive community groups, with no interdependence, either in terms of trade and commerce or in the sense of a shared daily life. It claims that the new city will have no ?public spaces? but only community specific institutions: separate schools, hospitals, commercial establishments and also separate underworlds. In this new city, it is possible to speak in terms of ?boarders.? And as Juhapura in Ahmedabad would testify, this boarder is not imaginary or pathological. It is real, in all its brick and mortar materiality. What they hope to create is a city of ?a permanent underclass.?

But it is not only this imagination that drives Surat. Surat was and is an entrepreneurial city; with diamonds and textiles driving the city?s growth. It is a city that is capable of exemplary civic will, as the post-plague period in the city?s recent past demonstrated. Surat?s economic ambitions are at variance with its desire to create separate enclosures for its Muslims and Hindus. What they do not recognise is that an entrepreneurial city cannot survive with a permanent underbelly.

For Surat, it also conveys a deep amnesia about its own history and cultural moorings. Surat, on the banks of the river Tapi, has been a major trading port since medieval times. The Arabs, Mughals, Portuguese, English, Dutch and the French all came to Surat and contributed to its cultural and architectural imagination, which are still in evidence, if recessive in memory. Surat was the most cosmopolitan of urban settlements on the west coast of Gujarat, before the emergence of Mumbai. Surat celebrates its association with Narmad, the poet, lexicographer and historian of the city, who gave us the song ?Jay Jay Garvi Gujarat.? Its major university is named after Narmad. But it also violates Narmad?s memory. It was Narmad who asked the question of ?Who does Gujarat belong to?? He listed all the cultural and religious symbols, communities and caste groups and said that Gujarat does not belong to anyone of them. He sang that Gujarat belongs to all those who make Gujarat their home.

If Surat wants to prosper as an entrepreneurial city, it can do so only by reclaiming its forgotten cosmopolitan character, and not as a city that seeks the erasure of a large part of its citizenry.

http://www.tehelka.com/story_m...e=Ne271208proscons.asp

India for muslims is much worse than Pakistan for hindus. And read my first post. I have family there. I've been to Gujarat. They don't even let you eat meat there.

Well the christian converted to Islam so let's see how long till the hindu does too. And let's look at Minority numbers in Pakistan. The percentage of Hindus in Pakistan has been falling year on year. They were 15% at the time of Partition and less than 2% now.
Muslims in India on the other hand have been growing FASTER than the Hindu majority so please don't quote facts and "numbers" when they are against you.

 

[yours truly]

to avoid attack frm india, all pakistan need do, is place cows at certain strategic points.

my work here is done now

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: crisscross

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: crisscross
wow.. look which country is talking about Minority right hear hear.

We have about 1% non-muslims and you won't hear any complains from them. A few are good friends of mine. A hindu made it to the international test cricket team. A christian did too. That's about 2 in 40 players.

Above all that video is a justification of the existence of Pakistan.

Another recent story

A Divided Cityscape

Denying Muslims housing is shaping the city of Surat into ?ours? and ?theirs?

TRIDIP SUHRUD

HOW IS one to understand the decision of the real estate developers and agents of Surat not to sell or rent houses or commercial properties to Muslims of the city? ?
Cover Story

Illustration Anand Naorem

We want to control the percentage of Muslims with properties and shops in our areas,? was the official explanation of the association that called the meeting of builders. This, they argued, was a precautionary measure against Mumbai-like terror attacks and the failed bomb strikes against Surat in July. No terror attack could be planned or carried out without local support, they argued. This comes at a time when Muslim groups in the country have assiduously distanced themselves from the Mumbai terror attack. The Babri Masjid Action Committee decided not to observe December 6 as a ?black day?, Eid was marked by mourning, and a few months ago, the Darul Uloom at Deoband had unequivocally declared terror as being un-Islamic.

This could be seen as a public acknowledgement of a process that has been going on for a long time, not just in Surat or Gujarat but also elsewhere in the country. Terror is only the upper layer of many deepseated fears, which include in Gujarat fears of non-vegetarianism. But it is not just an expression of cultural fear or a communal mindset. It is also a sign of a newly-emerging cityscape. It is possible to speak of a city as being divided into ?our? areas and ?their? areas. It conveys a belief that a city can be conceived as being inhabited by mutually exclusive community groups, with no interdependence, either in terms of trade and commerce or in the sense of a shared daily life. It claims that the new city will have no ?public spaces? but only community specific institutions: separate schools, hospitals, commercial establishments and also separate underworlds. In this new city, it is possible to speak in terms of ?boarders.? And as Juhapura in Ahmedabad would testify, this boarder is not imaginary or pathological. It is real, in all its brick and mortar materiality. What they hope to create is a city of ?a permanent underclass.?

But it is not only this imagination that drives Surat. Surat was and is an entrepreneurial city; with diamonds and textiles driving the city?s growth. It is a city that is capable of exemplary civic will, as the post-plague period in the city?s recent past demonstrated. Surat?s economic ambitions are at variance with its desire to create separate enclosures for its Muslims and Hindus. What they do not recognise is that an entrepreneurial city cannot survive with a permanent underbelly.

For Surat, it also conveys a deep amnesia about its own history and cultural moorings. Surat, on the banks of the river Tapi, has been a major trading port since medieval times. The Arabs, Mughals, Portuguese, English, Dutch and the French all came to Surat and contributed to its cultural and architectural imagination, which are still in evidence, if recessive in memory. Surat was the most cosmopolitan of urban settlements on the west coast of Gujarat, before the emergence of Mumbai. Surat celebrates its association with Narmad, the poet, lexicographer and historian of the city, who gave us the song ?Jay Jay Garvi Gujarat.? Its major university is named after Narmad. But it also violates Narmad?s memory. It was Narmad who asked the question of ?Who does Gujarat belong to?? He listed all the cultural and religious symbols, communities and caste groups and said that Gujarat does not belong to anyone of them. He sang that Gujarat belongs to all those who make Gujarat their home.

If Surat wants to prosper as an entrepreneurial city, it can do so only by reclaiming its forgotten cosmopolitan character, and not as a city that seeks the erasure of a large part of its citizenry.

http://www.tehelka.com/story_m...e=Ne271208proscons.asp

India for muslims is much worse than Pakistan for hindus. And read my first post. I have family there. I've been to Gujarat. They don't even let you eat meat there.

Well the christian converted to Islam so let's see how long till the hindu does too. And let's look at Minority numbers in Pakistan. The percentage of Hindus in Pakistan has been falling year on year. They were 15% at the time of Partition and less than 2% now.
Muslims in India on the other hand have been growing FASTER than the Hindu majority so please don't quote facts and "numbers" when they are against you.

Hindus breeding slower than muslims is suddenly my fault? :S

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: hopeless74
to avoid attack frm india, all pakistan need do, is place cows at certain strategic points.

my work here is done now

LOL!!

 

[tvarad]

Originally posted by: hopeless74
to avoid attack frm india, all pakistan need do, is place cows at certain strategic points.

my work here is done now

Now why didn't you guys think of it in 1965, 1971, 1999?

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: crisscross

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: crisscross
Instead of going into Iraq, if GWB really cared about making the world a safer place he should have gone into Pakistan and dismantled their Nuclear weapons. The reason why Pakistan is doing it does is because it has nukes and every time India threatens to take action. Pakistan runs to mummy and cries of a Nuclear conflict.

So you mean to say that India's threats are justified. You are sick, twisted and brainwashed. And lets see you try and take our nuclear weapons. Tel Aviv and your bases in the region will be wastelands come what may.

umm what? watch the damn video i posted you dickhead. Pakistan is a shit hole. Look at your damn history with the Taliban and AQ Khan. The guy who gave nukes to rogue nation is under freaking "house arrest" and the US is not doing a damn thing about it.

After the Kandahar hijacking in 1999. India released Maulana Masood Azhar who went to Karachi and gave a public speech talking about all that he had done. After the Parliament attacks he again gave a public speech proudly talking about how he executed the attacks.

Masood Azhar roams free and after the US put pressure on him you had him under house arrest for 2 months!!!

What the fuck do you want proof for to shove it up your arse? Your country is a banana republic and you are a slimeball.

Retard, watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7Jq_zb9x8s

It's a government official in India boasting how he killed muslims.

And too bad you can't do anything to my country. Go fuck off.

The key difference there is that it's a domestic issue, as opposed to Pakistan's problems which have an international effect. These types of problems may necessitate international resolution if Pakistan cannot control elements within itself.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: crisscross

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: crisscross
Instead of going into Iraq, if GWB really cared about making the world a safer place he should have gone into Pakistan and dismantled their Nuclear weapons. The reason why Pakistan is doing it does is because it has nukes and every time India threatens to take action. Pakistan runs to mummy and cries of a Nuclear conflict.

So you mean to say that India's threats are justified. You are sick, twisted and brainwashed. And lets see you try and take our nuclear weapons. Tel Aviv and your bases in the region will be wastelands come what may.

umm what? watch the damn video i posted you dickhead. Pakistan is a shit hole. Look at your damn history with the Taliban and AQ Khan. The guy who gave nukes to rogue nation is under freaking "house arrest" and the US is not doing a damn thing about it.

After the Kandahar hijacking in 1999. India released Maulana Masood Azhar who went to Karachi and gave a public speech talking about all that he had done. After the Parliament attacks he again gave a public speech proudly talking about how he executed the attacks.

Masood Azhar roams free and after the US put pressure on him you had him under house arrest for 2 months!!!

What the fuck do you want proof for to shove it up your arse? Your country is a banana republic and you are a slimeball.

Dude you need to calm down, eat some daal and pray to shiiva.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Sewers smell like shit

Have you been to a sewer?

LOL. You're probably from the south; good logic.

 

[tvarad]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

?I don?t think that conscientious Pakistani nation and brave armed forces of Pakistan will accept such a situation. This will be shameful and render Pakistan submission to India,? the retired General said.

He called upon the rulers to explain their position in this regard. He said that the US was after ridiculing the sovereignty of Pakistan only to please India and Mullen had come with a dangerous message.



UPDATE: Reports coming in from variuos sources suggest that COAS Kiyani yesterday made it clear that regardless of how the civilan government chooses to respond to the US request to allow Indian ?surgical strikes?, Pakistan Army will not accept any Indian intrusion. The scrambling of jets over Lahore and Islamabad yesterday was part of this and the armed forces are alert and ready to defend against any Indian action.

Kiyani is also said to have told US Michael Mullen that in event of any aggression from India, the US and NATO can ?forget about? using Pakistan territory to supply their forces in Afghanistan as all resources will be diverted to defending against India on the eastern border.

http://www.ahmedquraishi.com/article_detail.php?id=562

The chump in all of this is, of course, Zardari. I don't know why he's willing to be a puppet for the military, whose two-timing nature on both borders is bound to come crashing down on Pakistan sometime in the future, if not this time. If I were him, I would say, to hell with Pakistan, I don't want Sindh to suffer the consequences of the actions of the bone-headed Punjabi generals and work for it's independence.

Given Pakistan's history with leaders from Sindh, doesn't he see the writing on the wall for him?

 

[DomS]

Originally posted by: tvarad

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

MULTAN: Foreign Minister, Shah Mahmood Quraishi has said, ?Pakistan doesn?t want war and we are desirous of peace, but if war is thrust on us, then we have all the rights to defend.?

Talking to media at Multan Airport, Foreign Minister, Shah Mahmood Quraishi said, ?We are prepared to fully cooperate with India, but India should provide concrete evidences. Foreign minister said we possess all the potentiality for defense and the Pakistan Armed Forces are absolutely prepared for defense.

I think it's kind of pointless it has all come down to this. Firstly it's totally ridiculous that 15 terrorists could cause so much damage with AK47s and keep the Indian commandos at bay for 3 long days! Second, the terrorist India has captured - investigative journalism revealed that no man of that name existed in the village the Indians claimed he was from! And now India is violating our airspace.

Even if the Pakistani were involved in whatever way it's total madness to risk a war that may leave 100million people dead for avenging the deaths of 172. The Indian media is full of crap and has been warmongering ever since the attacks. They said "it's now time to be angry at Pakistan" BEFORE the whole fiasco was over. I think the Indians know well enough that it's all internal politics but the can not afford to point the finger at anyone except us when elections are around the corner. In any case I'm happy that the vile BJP was not in power or we would have seen Mushroom clouds sprouting all over the subcontinent.

As much as I'd like Pakistan to be rid of terrorism this is all double standard. When the Marriot Bombings happened in Islamabad we were a "breeding ground of terrorism." No sympathy from the world. And now when something happens to India they get world support for "defending themselves." As much as I support India's call for our government to get rid of these so called terrorist organization, saber-rattling won't achieve much. It just fuels the fire and provokes our people to show India the middle finger and fight it out. But then again neither side can afford war; especially India.

Neither side can score an outright victory. Not when both sides are armed with nukes. So why go to war?

And before you call be anti-Indian I have the most to lose from this potential conflict. Half my family lives in India. So does my fiancee. I used to visit thrice a year but now dirty politics means that we won't get to see each other very often.

A truly laughable post. Who are you trying to convince here that Pakistan is not the epicenter of terrorism? If Gordon Brown can say that 75% of the terrorist plots that Scotland Yard uncovers are somehow connected to Pakistan, do you seriously think that someone is going to believe Pakistan when it says that the terrorist misfits and malcontents who wreaked such havoc in Bombay were not from there? There is plenty of evidence that the attack originated in Pakistan which has been corroborated by Western intelligence agencies.

And if India provides "concrete evidence" to Pakistan, that information will be used against India to plot the next attack by the ISI operatives and the army who everyone knows run Pakistan (and not their useful idiots, the politicians like Zardari and Gilani).

The difference between the Marriot bombings and the Bombay attacks was that the attackers in the first instance were domestic and the ones in the second were foreign. I don't think Pakistanis understand how serious this is. Nations go to war on such provocation, especially when it's been established that it's been state sanctioned. And Pakistanis should stop deluding themselves that their "nuclear" weapons put them on an equal footing with India and will somehow shield them just because their army and it's ISI surrogates establish "plausible deniabiliity" for such attacks. BJP or no BJP, a couple more attacks like this and even a Mahatma-Gandhi like Prime Minister of India will not be able to stop a punitive strike on Pakistan.

If I were you, I would stop whining about how unfair the world is on Pakistan and impress upon your generals and their surrogates that their actions are starting to become eerily similar to the events that led to the unhinging of your country in 1971.

just as many can be tied to our (US) nationals. who knows what connections he even means. It's all bullshit.