India chooses European Jets over USA's F-16, F-18 and Russia's MIG - 35.

[Steeplerot]

Good, about time the real welfare queens; the weapons manufacturers go under, they are sinking this country endlessly sucking off the government tit. This country should be producing useful products instead of drugs and weapons.

The USA in a nutshell: A well pacified culture of consumerist drones whose tax monies mainly support a manufacturing base of pain for others while they live in a fog of capitalist entitlement with trinkets from slave labor form other countries. Have another soma.

 

[senseamp]

Good luck getting support on these. The French will either be
-on strike
-on vacation
-on smoke break
-obnoxious pricks

 

[Jaskalas]

are you saying india should slaughter everyone who lives in pakistan?

They should have the capacity to threaten that to ensure Pakistan does not try something stupid.

 

[Baasha]

Maybe they just want to support the EU?

oR?

Maybe they dont trus United Socialist America.

Would you trust a country with Hilary Clinton as Secretary of State? The entire leadership of the United States is run by idiots.

India is rightfully suspicious of America when it comes to "deals" of any kind, especially those that are defense-oriented. This is due to the history between the two nations and the simple fact that the US continually supports Pakistan with free (or almost free) high-tech defense equipment and aircraft and billions of dollars in military aid ostensibly for fighting the beloved patriot taliban (rofl).. right.. since when did you need F-16s to fight 10 guys with AK-47s? Pakistan is known to use the aid and military equipment to target India and so India is always weary about dealing with the Americans.

Another important factor is that when dealing with the US, there are always strings attached; the technology transfer is never "complete" in a way where the US has some hook or other into the equipment and can be used against India if push comes to shove. Russia, in the past, never did that; if India bought some military equipment, it was India's and India's alone.

All said, India made the right choice in NOT going with the American jets. Whether the Dassault Rafale bests the Sukhoi MKI, I'm not so sure. Russia and India are also developing the PAK-FA 5th gen. fighter together so perhaps the Rafale is just meant to take a specific role in the Indian Air Force.

On a lighter note, the Rafale looks sexy!

 

[Infohawk]

Must be a sad day for Cow and RabidM that the most capable Indian Airforce fighter will be French

This will be a good opportunity for them to reflect on their insanity and try to move forward from hating Europeans so much. It doesn't do them any good.

 

[CanOWorms]

Must be a sad day for Cow and RabidM that the most capable Indian Airforce fighter will be French

Why would I care?

 

[lothar]

Looks like I was right on the money (look at my post from months ago) that the Rafale would win it ;-)

looks like the right choice to me

Must be a sad day for Cow and RabidM that the most capable Indian Airforce fighter will be French

I'm pretty sure they prefer the French over the Brits.
If the Eurofighter Typhoon had won and you changed your statement from "French" to "British", you'd have a point.

You must not understand CanOWorms and RabidMongoose.....

 

[nyker96]

damn Indian gov, Raf is a poor jet, just the design has little radar signature reduction. however, We can't be expecting people ordering up the old old F16s no more, that one is too old to compete now. why don't we let them have some of the F35s, give them a Lite version of it. that jet will run circles around Raf.

 

[Infohawk]

I'm pretty sure they prefer the French over the Brits.
If the Eurofighter Typhoon had won and you changed your statement from "French" to "British", you'd have a point.

You must not understand CanOWorms and RabidMongoose.....

Don't be fooled. This is an English-speaking forum so the majority of people that push back on their hatred of Europeans are the British. That in turn causes COW/Rabid to harp on the British. But they have also ranted against other Europeans. Their favorite targets are the Western European countries with histories of colonialism.

 

[Atreus21]

Flying around you can do surveillance, deliver stuff, you know good stuff.

I like this guy.

 

[KlokWyze]

Interesting thread.... why does the US support Pakistan again? Some supply line or we use their help in rounding up people ......... that they in turn routinely help?

 

[CanOWorms]

I'm pretty sure they prefer the French over the Brits.
If the Eurofighter Typhoon had won and you changed your statement from "French" to "British", you'd have a point.

You must not understand CanOWorms and RabidMongoose.....

It's not really about preferring one over another. It's about being against poor policies that hurt the world.

Personally, I'm wondering when the forum's White Supremacist Brigade will start complaining about France selling weapons to brown people instead of slaughtering them to "civilize" them. I already see some of them posting here.

 

[RabidMongoose]

This will be a good opportunity for them to reflect on their insanity and try to move forward from hating Europeans so much. It doesn't do them any good.

Sorry Infohawk/Baasha, but I don't hate Europeans. I just dislike colonialist European tendencies and the incredible racism that it spawns within the populations.

Your statement is like me saying that this would be a good opportunity for you to reflect on your insanity and try to move forward from hating minorities so much. How dare the homeland sell things to brown people?, right?

Moreover, I have only said good things about the Icelandic people, so your statement makes no sense.

I suggest that we try to stay on topic here and stop this childish nonsense.

 

[CanOWorms]

Sorry Infohawk/Baasha, but I don't hate Europeans. I just dislike colonialist European tendencies and the incredible racism that it spawns within the populations.

Moreover, I have only said good things about the Icelandic people, so your statement makes no sense.

Infohawk ties Europe very tightly with the UK despite its desire to remain somewhat independent of the continent. He's a bizarre person.

 

[CanOWorms]

I suggest that we try to stay on topic here and stop this childish nonsense.

:thumbsup:

 

[freegeeks]

:thumbsup:

"staying on topic" coming from the 2 biggest trolls on this forum is pure comedy

 

[RabidMongoose]

Troll is relative. For example, I think that you and Infohawk are trolls. However, I don't attempt to derail every thread with random off-topic spamming of trollish accusations, unlike you and Infohawk. Hell, I had not even posted when you two already started to go off-topic and troll me. That is impressive trolling, IMO.

Again, I suggest that you guys take this to PM instead of constantly making every thread go off-topic. Moreover, as the moderators suggest, if you feel that someone is trolling you, then report them.

Let's be adults here.

 

[freegeeks]

Troll is relative. For example, I think that you and Infohawk are trolls. However, I don't attempt to derail every thread with random off-topic spamming of trollish accusations, unlike you and Infohawk. Hell, I had not even posted when you two already started to go off-topic and troll me. That is impressive trolling, IMO.

Again, I suggest that you guys take this to PM instead of constantly making every thread go off-topic. Moreover, as the moderators suggest, if you feel that someone is trolling you, then report them.

Let's be adults here.

LOL, you believe your own b$$llshit don't you

 

[RabidMongoose]

I am trying to raise the level of discourse here, especially since it looks like there is hope with moderator action. Right now there are people such as you who attack other posters non-stop and troll threads and make them go off-topic even when those other posters aren't even posting! That is something that I think the moderators should look into.

We should try to spend more time talking about the subjects of threads and the issues that come from it instead of attacking other posters non-stop at every opportunity.

 

[rudder]

Interesting thread.... why does the US support Pakistan again? Some supply line or we use their help in rounding up people ......... that they in turn routinely help?

Way back when the Soviets were fighting in Afghanistan.. Pakistan was a base of operations for Americans who helped aid the anti-Soviet forces. The relationship goes back further though . Previous leadership, with the aid of U.S. money, created a strong ally in the region. India was courting the Soviets after WW2... so the U.S. thought Pakistan was a better bet with that taxpayer money.

The political landscape in Pakistan has changed obviously as well as India.

 

[kage69]

A F 22 has not a single chance against the oldy MIG 25 interceptor
wich has a radar so powerfull that the F 22 stealth techs are not
stealthy enough to make it indetectable at a 100km range;;
Moreover, the MIG 25 ceiling is so high that it will easily
detect any plane since the F 22 radar eq surface is not optimised
when a radar wave is projected from a upper point, i.e, from
the only military plane that did break the 100K foots ceiling...

Indeed, russian technology has always been better
than US one in this matter..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-25

Most Hilarious Post of the Week Nominee!

 

[Patranus]

They don't have the stealth capabilities of a Raptor, but in a Toe to Toe fight a Eurofighter is a match for anything flying.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_Typhoon

:facepalm:

The Eurofighter is slower, has less thrust, poorer turning radius, shittier electronics, and....not stealth.

The F-22 would destroy a Eurofighter before the Eurofighter would know what happened.

 

[Abwx]

Most Hilarious Post of the Week Nominee!

Still more hilarious is your stupidity and lack of knowledge.....

In other words, stealth aircraft are optimized for defeating much higher-frequency radar from front-on rather than low-frequency radars from above.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_aircraft

 

[bfdd]

This is not good for the USA. We are the best at making weapons of death and we need to sell them to the idiots who want them. Maybe we should have given them a special buy two get one free sale.

 

[JEDIYoda]

A F 22 has not a single chance against the oldy MIG 25 interceptor
wich has a radar so powerfull that the F 22 stealth techs are not
stealthy enough to make it indetectable at a 100km range;;
Moreover, the MIG 25 ceiling is so high that it will easily
detect any plane since the F 22 radar eq surface is not optimised
when a radar wave is projected from a upper point, i.e, from
the only military plane that did break the 100K foots ceiling...

Indeed, russian technology has always been better
than US one in this matter..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-25

Looks like Israel knows how do deal with them....also a MIG 25 pilot took a Mig to japan. There by allowing the western world to dissect the Mig.

Over Israel and Iran

The unarmed 'B' version had greater impact than the interceptor when the USSR sent two MiG-25R, and two MiG-25RB to Egypt in March 1971 and stayed until July 1972. They were operated by the Soviet 63rd Independent Air Detachment (Det 63) set up specially for this mission. Det 63 flew over Israeli held territory in Sinai on reconnaissance missions roughly 20 times. The flights were in pairs at maximum speed and high altitude (between 17,000–23,000 m).[7]

On 6 November 1971, an Egyptian MiG-25 flying at Mach 2.5 was met by Israeli F-4Es and fired upon unsuccessfully.[19][27] A MiG-25 was tracked flying over Sinai at Mach 3.2 during this period. The MiG-25 engines went into overspeed, which led to their later destruction.[8] Unit Det 63 was sent back home in 1972, though reconnaissance Foxbats were sent back to Egypt in 19–20 October 1973 during the Yom Kippur War.[27] Unit Det 154 remained there until late 1974.

On 13 February 1981, Israeli Air Force sent two RF-4Es over Lebanon as a decoy for Syrian MiG-25 interceptors. As the MiGs scrambled, the RF-4Es turned back delivering chaffs and using ECM pods. Two IDF/AF F-15A were waiting for the MiGs and shot one of them down with AIM-7F missiles. The other MiG was able to escape. The trap was repeated on 29 July 1981 and 7 June 1982, when another two Syrian MiG-25s were downed by IDF/AF F-15As, one on each date. Finally, on 31 August 1983, a fourth Syrian MiG-25 was damaged by a Israeli Hawk SAM and then dispatched by an IDF/AF F-15.[28] No Israeli aircraft were lost to the MiG-25.

During the 1970s, the Soviet air force conducted reconnaissance overflights across Iran using its MiG-25RBSh aircraft in response to joint US-Iran recon operations.[29]

[edit] Iran-Iraq War