Incomprehensible mass shooting happens again

[FlawleZ]

How bad can it be not to worry about your kids being killed in a mass shooting at school?

You are very ignorant if you think safety can be guaranteed.

 

[pmv]

I firmly believe we have a mental health crisis on our hands.

Yeah, it does look like that. Given both your last President and your gun laws, and the current views of much of the Republican electoral base (the last election, Q-anonsense, CRT-paranoia etc).

But I think it's a mistake to say that's simply because your country is crazy. The reasons why the US appears crazy are socio-political, not psychiatric.

 

[nakedfrog]

How bad can it be not to worry about your kids being killed in a mass shooting at school?

Or being shot yourself at the movie theater? Or a mall? Or an outdoor concert? Or a restaurant?

 

[nakedfrog]

It seems that AmeriKKKa has a lot of mentally ill people. Other first-world countries don't have this problem of mass shootings.

Guns are practically a religion here

 

[nakedfrog]

You are very ignorant if you think safety can be guaranteed.

How many school shootings have they had in Australia since 1999 compared to the USA?

 

[HomerJS]

Seems Greg doesn't think kids' lives are as important and kids' sports.

Abbott Stops Short of Special Session Order on Guns, Calls for 'Solutions'

Abbott has previously ordered special sessions to address matters ranging from abortion laws to a transgender sports ban, among other issues.

It's official, the solution by Abbott and Republicans is to do nothing.

 

[vi edit]

It's official, the solution by Abbott and Republicans is to do nothing.

Actually they do less than nothing. They intentionally sabotage progress and then try and blame it on progressives. That's something that results in net-negative.

 

[NWRMidnight]

No. The prefrontal cortex is not "fully" developed until about 25. This is the part of the brain that handles predictive ability, ie: A leads to B leads to C leads to D leads to E and on and on. This is why we say kids act like they are going to live forever. No amount of information can completely overcome that, unfortunately.

We are not talking about "kids".. we are talking about young adults.. 18 years old.. This would have been a major problem since the beginning of time if it was due to brain development.. But it's only been the last couple of decades that we have been having major problems with 16 to 18 year old's shooting up schools.. What's changed? It sure as hell isn't due to brain development. Well... unless you want to blame the 70's and it's taken a generation or two for the effect to surface.

To answer what's changed: Yes, easy access to guns plays a big part. but the reality of it is how these kids/teens/young adults of the last few decades have been raised. Parents, government, and society has become soft on them, they are not taught accountability, responsibility, how to hand failures.. etc.. They are to busy slapping their hands and giving them ice cream for fucking up, rather than teaching them accountability and real world consequences of their actions. Many kids of today have no fear of the repercussions of their actions because they have never experienced real punishments that teach them real world consequences until they commit a major crime. That is why many have the "no fear" mentality. The kids of today throw a tantrum in a store.. parents of today try to bribe them into acting better.. "Johnny, I'll buy you an ice-cream cone if you stop.. or.. oh.. okay, I will buy you that teddy bear" rather than properly disciplining them. For fucks sake, they are give awards and trophies to the winners and losers because they are afraid of damaging their little egos.. Well.. we are seeing the results. Yet, for some reason, there are people wanting to blame brain development or try to use that as an excuse to what's happening with our kids today.

edit: You know, after reading my last sentence back to myself.. Maybe you are right.. maybe it is brain development.. I mean how can something be developed when you are not being taught the basics of right and wrong decision making, thinking you will be rewarded for even wrong decisions and failures. Maybe these kids who shoot up the schools and killing these kids, where expecting ice cream and a trophy afterwards......

 

[dank69]

We are not talking about "kids".. we are talking about young adults.. 18 years old.. This would have been a major problem since the beginning of time if it was due to brain development.. But it's only been the last couple of decades that we have been having major problems with 16 to 18 year old's shooting up schools.. What's changed? It sure as hell isn't due to brain development. Well... unless you want to blame the 70's and it's taken a generation or two for the effect to surface. (also did you miss my edit at the bottom about the brain not fully being developed until age 25?)

To answer what's changed: Yes, easy access to guns plays a big part.

Yes, a big part. The AR wasn't available to the general public until when? The late 60s? Even harder for a 16-18yo to get one until much more recently.

but the reality of it is how these kids/teens/young adults of the last few decades have been raised. parents, government, and society has become soft on them, they are not taught accountability, responsibility, how to hand failures.. etc.. They are to busy slapping their hands and giving them ice cream for fucking up, rather than teaching them accountability and real world consequences of their actions. Many kids of today have no fear of the repercussions of their actions because they have never experienced real punishments that teach them real world consequences until they commit a major crime. That is why many have the "no fear" mentality. The kids of today throw a tantrum in a store.. parents of today try to bribe them into acting better.. "Johnny, I'll buy you an ice-cream cone if you stop.. or.. oh.. okay, I will buy you that teddy bear" rather than properly disciplining them. For fucks sake, they are give awards and trophies to the winners and losers because they are afraid of damaging their little egos.. Well.. we are seeing the results. Yet, for some reason, there are people wanting to blame brain development or try to use that as an excuse to what's happening with our kids today.

The rest of this is antiquated bullshit. You aren't getting it. You can't fully teach these lessons because the brain hasn't developed enough to appreciate it. You can teach A->B but in reality A->{B, C, D, E, F, G ... x100} and then B->{AA, BB, CC ... x100} and C->{A1, B1, C1 ... x100} and on. You cannot teach that. You cannot teach what jail is like. They just know jail is bad but how bad? If they knew how bad it really is they'd maybe take it more seriously before it happens.

You can't force biology. You can stop selling guns to 18-25.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Yes, a big part. The AR wasn't available to the general public until when? The late 60s? Even harder for a 16-18yo to get one until much more recently.

The rest of this is antiquated bullshit. You aren't getting it. You can't fully teach these lessons because the brain hasn't developed enough to appreciate it. You can teach A->B but in reality A->{B, C, D, E, F, G ... x100} and then B->{AA, BB, CC ... x100} and C->{A1, B1, C1 ... x100} and on. You cannot teach that. You cannot teach what jail is like. They just know jail is bad but how bad? If they knew how bad it really is they'd maybe take it more seriously before it happens.

You can't force biology. You can stop selling guns to 18-25.

Bullshit! I am not the one not getting it. If your argument was sound, then we would be having constant chaos in Schools K-12.

 

[pmv]

Bullshit! I am not the one not getting it. If your argument was sound, then we would be having constant chaos in Schools K-12.

The biological facts of brain development are clearly part of it. As I understand it, that's something that wasn't fully appreciated till relatively-recently. But the biology obviously works in tandem with social factors. Your bit about tantrums and trophies is a bit cliched, though. A proper attempt to analyse those social factors would have to go a _lot_ deeper than that 'kids today, lack of discipline, tsk tsk' stuff.

But most of all, the thing that actually makes the difference in terms of the amount of damage "troubled teens" can inflict, whether you are comparing with past eras or with other countries, is the practical factor of the availability of effective firearms.

 

[K1052]

Man the cops there really just DGAF.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1532109143376637952

 

[Zorba]

Man the cops there really just DGAF.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1532109143376637952

Yeah, I'm sure the families will move on any day now. What the fuck?

 

[Zorba]

Also there is apparently another mass shooting in Tulsa right now.

 

[vi edit]

Bullshit! I am not the one not getting it. You are just making excuses for our society being soft on kids now days..

There's so much more to it than that. As a society we've made choices through business, politics and education to make it harder and harder to enter the workforce and actually be an adult at 18. Yes, there are trade schools and some apprentice programs, but generally good paying factory and other jobs are far harder to come by. Affordable housing is non-existent in many parts of the country. So if you try to get a job fresh out of high school good luck trying to do it on your own. It's just much more economical to continue living with your parents until you can afford to live on your own.

The business sector has been setup in a way that you need a 4 year degree at a minimum and rapidly shifting to MBA's for minimum qualifications. So now kids are being encumbered with a mountain of student debt to meet a 4-6 year degree requirement while now pushing their entry to being an adult into their mid-20's. Up till the last year and mass retirements from Covid, there weren't many positions available. New applicants had to compete with those just job churning for more money. Boomers were sticking around and clinging onto their cushy income and cruising while denying new positions being posted because it looked good for company bottom line.

And all of this is in the optics of their parents no longer having guaranteed retirement/pensions, wondering how they are going to afford healthcare once they retire, and just generally attempting to hoard as much as they can.

We've built an economy on borrowing on the backs of our youth and burdening them with soaring college costs, housing they'll never be able to afford, and telling them they better hope they don't get sick or injured because there's no universal health care to help mend them if they do. Go crawl in a hole and try not to die if you can't afford it.

And you say we're being soft?

Yes we have definitely gone sideways on how we respond to failure. But all of that is buried under the giant bucket of shit we've dropped on the the 18-20'somethings in the last 20 years.

 

[ElFenix]

cops going after reporters more aggresively than they did the shooter

https://twitter.com/x/status/1532103187125006336

 

[Fenixgoon]

cops going after reporters more aggresively than they did the shooter

https://twitter.com/x/status/1532103187125006336

....how is that NOT a 1A violation? shouldn't they just get the shit sued out of them?

 

[IronWing]

....how is that NOT a 1A violation? shouldn't they just get the shit sued out of them?

Why would the cops care if they get sued? Someone else pays that bill.

 

[ElFenix]

....how is that NOT a 1A violation? shouldn't they just get the shit sued out of them?

time/place/manner restrictions can be legal.

 

[Pens1566]

Yeah, I'm sure the families will move on any day now. What the fuck?

New variant on "now is not the time" at least.

I mean, there are still parents grieving from Sandy Hook and that's only been like a decade.

But, really, fuck this guy.

 

[Captante]

The reasons why the US appears crazy are socio-political, not AND psychiatric.

Ftfy.

 

[Captante]

We are not talking about "kids".. we are talking about young adults.. 18 years old.. This would have been a major problem since the beginning of time if it was due to brain development.. But it's only been the last couple of decades that we have been having major problems with 16 to 18 year old's shooting up schools.. What's changed? It sure as hell isn't due to brain development. Well... unless you want to blame the 70's and it's taken a generation or two for the effect to surface.

To answer what's changed: Yes, easy access to guns plays a big part. but the reality of it is how these kids/teens/young adults of the last few decades have been raised. Parents, government, and society has become soft on them, they are not taught accountability, responsibility, how to hand failures.. etc.. They are to busy slapping their hands and giving them ice cream for fucking up, rather than teaching them accountability and real world consequences of their actions. Many kids of today have no fear of the repercussions of their actions because they have never experienced real punishments that teach them real world consequences until they commit a major crime. That is why many have the "no fear" mentality. The kids of today throw a tantrum in a store.. parents of today try to bribe them into acting better.. "Johnny, I'll buy you an ice-cream cone if you stop.. or.. oh.. okay, I will buy you that teddy bear" rather than properly disciplining them. For fucks sake, they are give awards and trophies to the winners and losers because they are afraid of damaging their little egos.. Well.. we are seeing the results. Yet, for some reason, there are people wanting to blame brain development or try to use that as an excuse to what's happening with our kids today.

edit: You know, after reading my last sentence back to myself.. Maybe you are right.. maybe it is brain development.. I mean how can something be developed when you are not being taught the basics of right and wrong decision making, thinking you will be rewarded for even wrong decisions and failures. Maybe these kids who shoot up the schools and killing these kids, where expecting ice cream and a trophy afterwards......

AND an extremely long-winded moron at that!

 

[NWRMidnight]

There's so much more to it than that. As a society we've made choices through business, politics and education to make it harder and harder to enter the workforce and actually be an adult at 18. Yes, there are trade schools and some apprentice programs, but generally good paying factory and other jobs are far harder to come by. Affordable housing is non-existent in many parts of the country. So if you try to get a job fresh out of high school good luck trying to do it on your own. It's just much more economical to continue living with your parents until you can afford to live on your own.

The business sector has been setup in a way that you need a 4 year degree at a minimum and rapidly shifting to MBA's for minimum qualifications. So now kids are being encumbered with a mountain of student debt to meet a 4-6 year degree requirement while now pushing their entry to being an adult into their mid-20's. Up till the last year and mass retirements from Covid, there weren't many positions available. New applicants had to compete with those just job churning for more money. Boomers were sticking around and clinging onto their cushy income and cruising while denying new positions being posted because it looked good for company bottom line.

And all of this is in the optics of their parents no longer having guaranteed retirement/pensions, wondering how they are going to afford healthcare once they retire, and just generally attempting to hoard as much as they can.

We've built an economy on borrowing on the backs of our youth and burdening them with soaring college costs, housing they'll never be able to afford, and telling them they better hope they don't get sick or injured because there's no universal health care to help mend them if they do. Go crawl in a hole and try not to die if you can't afford it.

And you say we're being soft?

Yes we have definitely gone sideways on how we respond to failure. But all of that is buried under the giant bucket of shit we've dropped on the the 18-20'somethings in the last 20 years.

I said we are being soft on our kids.. EVERYTHING you are talking about here is way beyond that scope, when they become adults and have to start adulting.. IT has NOTHING to do with our kids being raised with no accountability, real discipline, etc. I am not going to repeat what I already said, so go re-read it please..

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

cops going after reporters more aggresively than they did the shooter

https://twitter.com/x/status/1532103187125006336

There better be a line of journalists with pocket lawyers lined up, ready for some fun and adventure.

 

[NWRMidnight]

The biological facts of brain development are clearly part of it. As I understand it, that's something that wasn't fully appreciated till relatively-recently. But the biology obviously works in tandem with social factors. Your bit about tantrums and trophies is a bit cliched, though. A proper attempt to analyse those social factors would have to go a _lot_ deeper than that 'kids today, lack of discipline, tsk tsk' stuff.

But most of all, the thing that actually makes the difference in terms of the amount of damage "troubled teens" can inflict, whether you are comparing with past eras or with other countries, is the practical factor of the availability of effective firearms.

I am not comparing the teens of other countries.. I am comparing current teens of the US with past teens of the US. We have exponential amount of out of control kids/teens in this country today compared to what we did in the past, and it is 100% related to the lack of discipline, accountability etc.. Part of it is in the US, teachers, government officials, etc have taken the fear element that we grew up with as kids because they tell the kids of today, your parents can't do X, Y, Z.. Most parent's never had to resort to those discipline measures because the fear of what would happen was enough.. but that tool has been taken away. Those of us that where raised "old school" in the US, our parents just had to look at us and not even say a word and we know we had to straighten up. Now days, parents look at their kids, yell at their kids, tell them a million times to straighten up, some even sit and count and the kids just look at them, smile and continue misbehaving without a care in the world.

If you step back, you will notice that anytime "new information or new facts" (in this case it's new facts about brain development) has been learned.. people start using it as an excuse.. The US has become a nation of excuses..