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In god we trust...?! WTF?

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Bizarre... the OP posted a link to a Wikipedia article that explains his own question.

I also concur with the anti-monarchy sentiments in this thread. It's refreshing to observe that people are realizing how barbaric and discriminatory the institution is.
 


Londo I am personal friends of JoS. We have our disagreements but by questioning whether he is SAS is childish and not very intelligent!
He is as he says he is -- SAS!!

Deal with it.....oh you are dealing with it in your childish way!!
 
JEDIYoda said:
Londo I am personal friends of JoS. We have our disagreements but by questioning whether he is SAS is childish and not very intelligent!
He is as he says he is -- SAS!!

Deal with it.....oh you are dealing with it in your childish way!!
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And I say I'm the queen of England.

I didn't really want to tell anyone, but I feel you are right and we must support our troops!
 
JEDIYoda said:
Londo I am personal friends of JoS. We have our disagreements but by questioning whether he is SAS is childish and not very intelligent!
He is as he says he is -- SAS!!

Deal with it.....oh you are dealing with it in your childish way!!
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Sorry but that doesn't fly, when JoS talks it's very apparent to those who have served that he's full of shit.
 
Pray To Jesus said:
Why do you care when you're not even US citizen?

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What are you going to do about it when you're not even US citizen?
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I care because I'm constantly being told by american that there is a separation of church and state. Which there obviously isn't, hypocrisy irritates me

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Nothing. Obviously...? How many of the posts in this sub forum are people who ask questions about Libya for example, then at the end of the thread they go out and do something about it!? It's a forum.
 
HAL9000 said:
Why is the motto of America "In god we trust" apparently it was changed to that in the 50's from e pluribus unum which is a far better motto. So with America being all about separation of church and state wtf?!
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Hysterical over-reaction to the threat of GODless communism.
 
SparkyJJO said:
You must irritate yourself constantly then, since you freely admitted in another thread that you are a hypocrite.

:hmm:
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Yep, certain things do irritate me, mainly the fact that I eat meat, while I disagree with killing. Sorry what was your point?
 
The US was, is and always will be a CHRISTIAN NATION. Anyone who doesn't like that is free to move somewhere else like North Korea or Germany.

The House Judiciary Committee is scheduled to vote Thursday on a measure to reaffirm “In God We Trust” as the national motto and to encourage its display on public buildings, including schools.

U.S. Rep. Randy Forbes, R-Virginia, is sponsoring the measure on the national motto, adopted in 1956.

Critics say the vote is purely political.

"Of course none of this is necessary," said the Rev. Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, a Washington advocacy group.

“No organization or group of graffiti artists is going around trying to cover up” the motto, he said. "This is all part of a silly season that usually occurs closer to election cycles."

Still, Lynn says he objects to the motto.

“Many American people believe in no God or in multiple gods, so the motto should be 'In God, or in no God, or in multiple gods we trust,'” he said.

Forbes has said that his resolution is a response to what he calls the increasing secularization of the public square.
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http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/17/house-panel-votes-on-in-god-we-trust/comment-page-1/
 
Setting aside for the moment the fact that Barry Lynn is a reverend like I'm the Galactic Space Pope, voting on a measure to reaffirm our national motto is perilously close to rearranging the Titanic's deck chairs to accommodate the tilting. There are other things these people could more profitably be doing.*

*These other things are filed under "Damned near anything else."
 
HAL9000 said:
Yeah, it is/ was but the whole separation of church and sate should mean that the government can't enshrine it into the state. Even thought the country is/was predominately christian (unfortunately)
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Speaking as one who see the word "God" as a generic, and that the usage of the word "God" in this context merely indicates a viewpoint that belief in A God is desirable.


IMHO - Until such time as the US Government sees fit to put "In Christ We Trust" on our currency, you have exactly Zero point to discuss.

Why? Because YOU are the one claiming "God" invariably means "Christians Only". YOU are the one stating that "God = Christian". And on a short 4~word sentence which makes zero mention of Christians at all. Since YOU are the one making the claim, it is on YOU to provide the evidence to back that assertion.

And even if they did substitute Christ for God: Which version of Christianity? Anglican? Baptist? Protestant (and which sub~sect?), Roman Catholic - of so, then is it Eastern or Western Rites?. Hell - We could even add Eastern Orthodox and Assiryan to the list...


I do not see - not at all - where "In God We Trust" is specific to Christinaity. But neither am I making the claim. It is therefore not up to (me) to prove you wrong. But rather to encourage you to pull the tampon out of your vagina, since you and the rest of the 'absolute separation of church and state' bunch are obviously being hyper sensitive and reading your own insecurities into it.
 
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Scotteq said:
Speaking as one who see the word "God" as a generic, and that the usage of the word "God" in this context merely indicates a viewpoint that belief in A God is desirable.


IMHO - Until such time as the US Government sees fit to put "In Christ We Trust" on our currency, you have exactly Zero point to discuss.

Why? Because YOU are the one claiming "God" invariably means "Christians Only". YOU are the one stating that "God = Christian". And on a short 4~word sentence which makes zero mention of Christians at all. Since YOU are the one making the claim, it is on YOU to provide the evidence to back that assertion.

And even if they did substitute Christ for God: Which version of Christianity? Anglican? Baptist? Protestant (and which sub~sect?), Roman Catholic - of so, then is it Eastern or Western Rites?. Hell - We could even add Eastern Orthodox and Assiryan to the list...


I do not see - not at all - where "In God We Trust" is specific to Christinaity. But neither am I making the claim. It is therefore not up to (me) to prove you wrong. But rather to encourage you to pull the tampon out of your vagina, since you and the rest of the 'absolute separation of church and state' bunch are obviously being hyper sensitive and reading your own insecurities into it.
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Very well said.
 
Scotteq said:
Speaking as one who see the word "God" as a generic, and that the usage of the word "God" in this context merely indicates a viewpoint that belief in A God is desirable.


IMHO - Until such time as the US Government sees fit to put "In Christ We Trust" on our currency, you have exactly Zero point to discuss.

Why? Because YOU are the one claiming "God" invariably means "Christians Only". YOU are the one stating that "God = Christian". And on a short 4~word sentence which makes zero mention of Christians at all. Since YOU are the one making the claim, it is on YOU to provide the evidence to back that assertion.

And even if they did substitute Christ for God: Which version of Christianity? Anglican? Baptist? Protestant (and which sub~sect?), Roman Catholic - of so, then is it Eastern or Western Rites?. Hell - We could even add Eastern Orthodox and Assiryan to the list...


I do not see - not at all - where "In God We Trust" is specific to Christinaity. But neither am I making the claim. It is therefore not up to (me) to prove you wrong. But rather to encourage you to pull the tampon out of your vagina, since you and the rest of the 'absolute separation of church and state' bunch are obviously being hyper sensitive and reading your own insecurities into it.
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No, we are a Christian nation, there is no doubt. Separation of Church and state is a myth used by anti-Christian atheists like the ACLU to destroy our nation and faith in God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpQOCvthw-o
 
comptr6 said:
No, we are a Christian nation, there is no doubt. Separation of Church and state is a myth used by anti-Christian atheists like the ACLU to destroy our nation and faith in God.
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and we almost had you, goddamnit!

uh, i mean, damnit!

wait, I can't even logically damn something.

Arggg!
 
comptr6 said:
No, we are a Christian nation, there is no doubt. Separation of Church and state is a myth used by anti-Christian atheists like the ACLU to destroy our nation and faith in God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpQOCvthw-o
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No, you were a Christian nation, there is no doubt, God is a myth used by the religious to try and trick the masses into follow it's cult.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8033327978006186584#

P.S everyone else, I'll reply soon, this one just pissed me off.

The concept of separation of church and state refers to the distance in the relationship between organized religion and the nation state. The term is an offshoot of the phrase, "wall of separation between church and state," as written in Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists Association in 1802. The original text reads: "...I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."[1] The phrase was quoted by the United States Supreme Court first in 1878, and then in a series of cases starting in 1947. Like many other governing principles, the phrase "separation of church and state" itself does not appear verbatim in the U.S. Constitution. The First Amendment to the Constitution states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
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comptr6 said:
No, we are a Christian nation, there is no doubt. Separation of Church and state is a myth used by anti-Christian atheists like the ACLU to destroy our nation and faith in God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpQOCvthw-o
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The question is not whether we are a Christian nation or not - We are. Simple demographics show that easily.

That's not in question. What *is* in question is the OP's point regarding whether the words "In God We Trust" being printed on (some of) our currency are somehow proof of the US Government designating Christianity as the official religion of the USA. Which is a patent lie.

The word "God" is generic and applies to Allah and Shiva just as much as it does to Yaweh.

The rest is Hyperbolic bullshit.
 
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HAL9000 said:
Why is the motto of America "In god we trust" apparently it was changed to that in the 50's from e pluribus unum which is a far better motto. So with America being all about separation of church and state wtf?!
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accept my apologies if this has already been addressed, I haven't read the entire thread.

separation of church and state refers to endorsing a specific religion, not generic "god' references. "In Thor We Trust," might be a violation of the separation of church and state, but the Supreme Court as well as lower courts, have upheld "in god we trust."
 
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