In god we trust...?! WTF?

[zinfamous]

We however are a christian nation we have no "no church and state" rules. (that I'm aware of) Plus that was made a loooong time ago, you guys did this in the 50's!?!

so...what's worse?

--holding onto a ridiculous and archaic motto simply because it's "tradition" that dates back several centuries, and today refers to an inherently powerless figure head, or

--holding onto a recently-adopted and modern--albeit archaic and ridiculous--motto?

 

[zinfamous]

No, we are a Christian nation, there is no doubt. Separation of Church and state is a myth used by anti-Christian atheists like the ACLU to destroy our nation and faith in God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpQOCvthw-o

lol, what an idiot.

oh right...I must remember to ignore PJW's recent troll account.

 

[HAL9000]

The question is not whether we are a Christian nation or not - We are. Simple demographics show that easily.

That's not in question. What *is* in question is the OP's point regarding whether the words "In God We Trust" being printed on (some of) our currency are somehow proof of the US Government designating Christianity as the official religion of the USA - Which they do not.

accept my apologies if this has already been addressed, I haven't read the entire thread.

separation of church and state refers to endorsing a specific religion, not generic "god' references. "In Thor We Trust," might be a violation of the separation of church and state, but the Supreme Court as well as lower courts, have upheld "in god we trust."

It's interesting, I agree, (also this point has been addressed) Perhaps that is the reason, and if so, fair enough that would explain my issue, but, that being said the term "God" in this context means a deity, a deity of a monotheistic religion (as per the way it is written) That narrows it down, the fact that it is "God" and not allah, removes Islam from the equation. And leaves very few major religions, compile that with the fact that America is a christian nation at heart, and it was when it was founded, I would argue that the term "God" in this case does specifically mean that the nation is trusting a monotheistic, and christian "God" which is what I find problematic.

If however it was intended as a secular concept of God then the state should not be a proponent of an existent god, because whether this term is specifically christian or not, it is not abstract, it is specifically the singular term god and nothing else. Therefore it is the term for a monotheistic religion that refers to it's deity as "God" it also doesn't say in a God we trust, but rather it implies the One God, not the concept, the being. This is where I take issue. The Term "In God We Trust" being Americas motto, does specifically mean they are supporting (one) Monotheistic religion, which I would argue is Christianity, and surely the whole "church != state" thing should prohibit this.

 

[HAL9000]

so...what's worse?

--holding onto a ridiculous and archaic motto simply because it's "tradition" that dates back several centuries, and today refers to an inherently powerless figure head, or

--holding onto a recently-adopted and modern--albeit archaic and ridiculous--motto?

Recently adopted, because inaction is one thing, but specific action to make this happen in the modern age is problematic!

lol, what an idiot.

oh right...I must remember to ignore PJW's recent troll account.

Is that who that is!

 

[comptr6]

The question is not whether we are a Christian nation or not - We are. Simple demographics show that easily.

That's not in question. What *is* in question is the OP's point regarding whether the words "In God We Trust" being printed on (some of) our currency are somehow proof of the US Government designating Christianity as the official religion of the USA - Which they do not.

Yeah and we're a Christian nation, the God in, "In God We Trust", "Under God", is the Judeo-Christian God. Not allah, not vishnu, not zeus but the one true God.

The people who put God in our money, our constitution and our pledge of allegiance were all Christians. Everyday congress starts off with a prayer by a Christian Chaplain just like it has since the 1700's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpmDevaDwhw#t=20s

Anyone who denies the role Christianity plays in our government everyday is delusional or a liar or both like the Christian hating ACLU.

 

[Scotteq]

It's interesting, I agree, (also this point has been addressed) Perhaps that is the reason, and if so, fair enough that would explain my issue, but, that being said the term "God" in this context means a deity, a deity of a monotheistic religion (as per the way it is written) That narrows it down, the fact that it is "God" and not allah, removes Islam from the equation. And leaves very few major religions, compile that with the fact that America is a christian nation at heart, and it was when it was founded, I would argue that the term "God" in this case does specifically mean that the nation is trusting a monotheistic, and christian "God" which is what I find problematic.

If however it was intended as a secular concept of God then the state should not be a proponent of an existent god, because whether this term is specifically christian or not, it is not abstract, it is specifically the singular term god and nothing else. Therefore it is the term for a monotheistic religion that refers to it's deity as "God" it also doesn't say in a God we trust, but rather it implies the One God, not the concept, the being. This is where I take issue. The Term "In God We Trust" being Americas motto, does specifically mean they are supporting (one) Monotheistic religion, which I would argue is Christianity, and surely the whole "church != state" thing should prohibit this.

OK - Listen carefully, because I'm only going to say this once:


Just because "You Would Argue" something doesn't mean it isn't hyperbolic bullshit.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Yeah and we're a Christian nation, the God in, "In God We Trust", "Under God", is the Judeo-Christian God. Not allah, not vishnu, not zeus but the one true God.

The people who put God in our money, our constitution and our pledge of allegiance were all Christians. Everyday congress starts off with a prayer by a Christian Chaplain just like it has since the 1700's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpmDevaDwhw#t=20s

Anyone who denies the role Christianity plays in our government everyday is delusional or a liar or both like the Christian hating ACLU.

In Jahve, or in Jesus?

You're such a piss poor excuse for a troll.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Very well said.

Not really... Everyone knows which god it is, pretending you don't is dishonest and i'm sure Jesus would have something to say about you being dishonest.

In reality freedom of religion includes freedom from religion.

Either that or the Sunnis get equal representation, take your pick.

 

[RabidMongoose]

We need to understand that neckbeard is from a culture where their head of state must be one of specific religious sect. As such, when he hears the word 'god' he must associate it with his Queen. The divine is automatically associated with a single bloodline in British culture, as opposed to US culture which rejects the idea that a single family can be above all else due to some sort of divine means.

We're talking about centuries of monarch/god-peasant caste system that has been imposed upon the British. It is very much ingrained into the British psyche, IMO.

 

[Scotteq]

Not really... Everyone knows which god it is, pretending you don't is dishonest and i'm sure Jesus would have something to say about you being dishonest.

In reality freedom of religion includes freedom from religion.

Either that or the Sunnis get equal representation, take your pick.

...which is every bit as silly as arguing the UK is an Anglican state because of your Royal Family's status with that particular church. Seriously - If I had posted a thread saying the UK had instituted a State Religion because the Queen is head of the Church of England, you'd laugh in my face because that's a patently ridiculous statement. Such a statement would in no way reflect the reality of life in England.

Claiming "In God We Trust" on the back of a dollar bill - (you *do* understand that's not on all of our currency, right?) - denotes that Catholicism is the State Religion of the USA is equally ridiculous.


In reality: It's just words on a piece of green cotton.

 

[comptr6]

In Jahve, or in Jesus?

You're such a piss poor excuse for a troll.

Good, because I'm not trolling. And that would be Jesus to answer your question. You should apologize for suggesting Christian Americans would follow a false prophet.

The fact is the US is a Christian country with laws based on Judeo-Christian values. People would rather have Christians lead them because they'll do the best job and will represent American values better than others.

http://jta.org/news/article/2010/12/06/2742030/jewish-speaker-controversy-alive-in-texas

 

[jonks]

The fact is the US is a Christian country with laws based on Judeo-Christian values. People would rather have Christians lead them because they'll do the best job and will represent American values better than others.

Then why'd they overwhelmingly vote in a Kenyan muslim, eh? eh?!!

 

[3chordcharlie]

Then why'd they overwhelmingly vote in a Kenyan muslim, eh? eh?!!

He used Kenyan tribal mind-control magic to fool them. Obviously.

 

[HAL9000]

OK - Listen carefully, because I'm only going to say this once:


Just because "You Would Argue" something doesn't mean it isn't hyperbolic bullshit.

OK, but how am I supposed to think without using my own arguments...? Unless you can prove otherwise, then I see no valid reason why it isn't a christian god being used...

 

[zinfamous]

Yeah and we're a Christian nation, the God in, "In God We Trust", "Under God", is the Judeo-Christian God. Not allah, not vishnu, not zeus but the one true God.

The people who put God in our money, our constitution and our pledge of allegiance were all Christians. Everyday congress starts off with a prayer by a Christian Chaplain just like it has since the 1700's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpmDevaDwhw#t=20s

Anyone who denies the role Christianity plays in our government everyday is delusional or a liar or both like the Christian hating ACLU.

It's all the same God, dingleberry.

The God of Abraham/Yaweh = "Jesus's Dad" = Allah.

it's all the same damn god.

stop being such a puss-sucking idiot.


And if you think Hamilton, much less Jefferson and Franklin were actually Christians, then you're a bigger idiot than I previously suspected.

 

[HAL9000]

Yeah and we're a Christian nation, the God in, "In God We Trust", "Under God", is the Judeo-Christian God. Not allah, not vishnu, not zeus but the one true God.

The people who put God in our money, our constitution and our pledge of allegiance were all Christians. Everyday congress starts off with a prayer by a Christian Chaplain just like it has since the 1700's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpmDevaDwhw#t=20s

Anyone who denies the role Christianity plays in our government everyday is delusional or a liar or both like the Christian hating ACLU.

I'm an Atheist Christian hater, but I don't deny your fucked up country is unfortunately deluded enough to be a christian country as is mine. things will right themselves. Christianity is a plague on the earth, there is no "one true god" there a loads of gods, and all of them are crap. Also you list different gods, there are all the same...

 

[jonks]

My congrats to comptr6 who has trolled successfully for weeks now. Come on people, you really keep arguing with this phantom?

 

[HAL9000]

My congrats to comptr6 who has trolled successfully for weeks now. Come on people, you really keep arguing with this phantom?

He amuses me, as do all christians.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Good, because I'm not trolling. And that would be Jesus to answer your question. You should apologize for suggesting Christian Americans would follow a false prophet.

The fact is the US is a Christian country with laws based on Judeo-Christian values. People would rather have Christians lead them because they'll do the best job and will represent American values better than others.

http://jta.org/news/article/2010/12/06/2742030/jewish-speaker-controversy-alive-in-texas

If you had not been trolling, you'd know that it's one in the same.

Son, you failed the test of being Christian.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

It's all the same God, dingleberry.

The God of Abraham/Yaweh = "Jesus's Dad" = Allah.

it's all the same damn god.

stop being such a puss-sucking idiot.


And if you think Hamilton, much less Jefferson and Franklin were actually Christians, then you're a bigger idiot than I previously suspected.

Fuck you for stealing my thunder.

 

[comptr6]

It's all the same God, dingleberry.

The God of Abraham/Yaweh = "Jesus's Dad" = Allah.

it's all the same damn god.

stop being such a puss-sucking idiot.

No, that would be Jehovah or Yahweh. In his attempt at deceit the jew didn't ask about YAHWEH, He asked about jahve, and no Christian Bibles refers to jahve. It looks more like the name of a yuppie energy drink for rich money grubbing lawyers who live in Manhattan to me.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

No, that would be Jehovah or Yahweh. In his attempt at deceit the jew didn't ask about YAHWEH, He asked about jahve, and no Christian Bibles refers to jahve. It looks more like the name of a yuppie energy drink for rich money grubbing lawyers who live in Manhattan to me.

יהוה

That is the name of the God of Abraham, it can be spelled any way you want to, there is no proper spelling in any language except that one.

You don't speak it because you are not chosen to understand it, i understood it the day i was born, so do all Jews, if you doubt me, refer to your Bible.

You represent satan and you are going to hell for trying to subvert יהוה very clear message.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I'm an Atheist Christian hater, but I don't deny your fucked up country is unfortunately deluded enough to be a christian country as is mine. things will right themselves. Christianity is a plague on the earth, there is no "one true god" there a loads of gods, and all of them are crap. Also you list different gods, there are all the same...

You know, a nation isn't fucked up because fuck ups like this Nazist live there.

There are plenty of Americans that i respect, and quite a few you should respect too.

I get that you get irritated, but generalisations and the arguing with a nation that you agree with most of the time is ...

You get my point i'm sure.

Our lesser colony can't really take to bear the shame alone...

 

[comptr6]

If you had not been trolling, you'd know that it's one in the same.

Son, you failed the test of being Christian.

Oh let's see how you do then. If you're in the SAS let us know:

What color is the boathouse?

What Color is the mess at C. Hill?

Where was SAS Headquarters located before it moved to where it is and what color was it? When did it relocate?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Oh let's see how you do then. If you're in the SAS let us know:

What color is the boathouse?

What Color is the mess at C. Hill?

Where was SAS Headquarters located before it moved to where it is and what color was it? When did it relocate?

Heh, you actually think i'm going to answer to you? Piss off you little twat, if you want your answers, search for my posts, i have been asked and replied to people who are both mods and airforce here and who acknowledged that i was correct.

There are a lot of boathouses in hereford, i've referred to one of them (the trick trying to be played is that there is no boathouse, but there are, it would be fucking strange if there wasn't considering where it is at), there is no SAS boathouse though, does that help at all you stupid twat?

SAS HQ doesn't exist, there are now three training facilities and one of them is a transportation facility and no, i won't tell you which is which.

In legend, SAS HQ moved from Hereford to .. i don't know, in reality, it was split up into Task Force Black (first unit in both Afghanistan and Iraq, MY unit, i'm the highest ranking officer of TFB) Task Force Blue (security force, second in in Iraq, removal of most units in Afghanistan) and numbered task forces that are usually deployed with rangers.

I'm the Captain of Task Force Black.