Vic
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Here, your degree (or lack of) is irrelevant to establishing credibility. In fact, it is generally considered on internet forums that bragging about your degree/penis size /whatever (instead of sticking to the merits, if any, of your own logical argument) is the surest way to damage your own credibility. This is why it is called "e-penis". I have 10 doctorates myself. :roll:
Galileo was an example of politics. You really ought to study up on it. Had Galileo not been such an offensive ass and would have enabled the church to save political face, it surely would have embraced his discoveries. Unfortunately, he would not.
While I'm sure we're all impressed with your ability to pull this information out of one of the text books sitting on your desk, it's irrelevant because everyone on the internet is a Harvard graduate if they chose to be. Credentials mean nothing here. Back up your argument or move along.
Dude you are just very angry at me. I understand that, you hate people who have emotions. I'm sorry I do. I am human. I care about others, even outside my country.
That being said, I'm not even pro-communist, just read my post earlier in this thread. I'm not going to post it again.
Original Communism, according to Marx, was a step by step process of societal evolution - with Capitalism being one of the steps. I suppose if he had a biology degree he would hypothesize that men would eventually realize their follies and evolve. The thing about that is if you are too kind you will refute evolution and keep people alive - you know the drill. But maybe in the modern environment the mind develops more than the body. So maybe after this phase of global capitalism our minds will evolve to a level where Communism is realistic.
Vic
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No... I don't like you because your only argument against mine is to tell lies about me.
I have emotions myself, and love people with emotions. I care deeply about people, both inside and outside my country, which is one reason why I believe the slavery and cruelty of communism must be stopped.
You -- like all your ilk -- are full of sh!t. Lies are your stock-in-trade. Our minds are never going to evolve into the mass slavery that is communism, regardless of your desire for power, exploitation, and revenge. Instead, we are going to evolve into greater enlightenment and appreciation of the individual freedom of each other. We will learn that love begins with respect, not the point of a gun. We will learn to tolerate the failings of others, as we would have our own failings tolerated, and not try to force others against their will into our own personal vision of what we think the world should be like.
it looked like recently that one of the steps marx wrote about, the amalagamation of assets was coming to fruition, however it seems now that companies are back to splitting up, isn't time warner breaking up, 21st century communism was just a lie told to justify a dictatorship
the arabs also kept europe's knowledge during the dark ages
american/canadian farming subsidies and the sheer amount of extraneous grain produced and then sold to other nations destroys local farming and creates dependence, most of our aid has strings attached that hamstring governments
technology has raised the standard of living
the arabs also kept europe's knowledge during the dark ages
american/canadian farming subsidies and the sheer amount of extraneous grain produced and then sold to other nations destroys local farming and creates dependence, most of our aid has strings attached that hamstring governments
technology has raised the standard of living
Disagree with Vic all you want, but you aren't going to be able to insult his education.
That's copied word for word from an English 101 textbook.
No doubt your degree isn't fictional.
Actually, I am interested in Vic's education level and many other members. One's education has an huge affect on where one stands politically.
Not that it matters to the debate, continue please.
Not that it matters to the debate, continue please.
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Originally posted by: Tab
Actually, I am interested in Vic's education level and many other members. One's education has an huge affect on where one stands politically.
Not that it matters to the debate, continue please.
Set up a poll.
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: Tab
Actually, I am interested in Vic's education level and many other members. One's education has an huge affect on where one stands politically.
Not that it matters to the debate, continue please.
Set up a poll.
I'd rather just everyone post a couple well formed paragraphs about their childhood, social background, education and stuff of that nature...
I wouldn't trust everyone in this forum to be honest.
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born: sri lanka 1983
3 weeks after I was born, my parents house was destroyed in the racial riots that engulfed Sri Lanka. I spent the next month or so of my life in the college my mother taught at. Lived in India for a year, moved to England (2 years, immigrated to Montreal (another 2 years) and finally to Toronto. My father is an accountant, my mother is a social worker. Due to social problems in school, I was recommended for the gifted program. I am well acquainted with public transit. I'm currently in my 3rd year physics/ math at the university of windsor. Windsor is incidently considered the worst comprehensive university in canada but when you high school was at the time probably the best in Canada academically, it teaches you things about relativity.
Technically I'm a dual-citizen, though I just recently realized that since I was born in Sri Lanka I'm a Sri Lankan citizen. Living in Detroit's twin city is strange, so many more trees in Canada. I'm very liberal, I remember we had a political spectrum quiz in high school, my roommate and I were the only two strong liberals. Montreal is for those that don't know, a city in Quebec (the french province of Canada) though it has a large anglophone population. Toronto is the probably the 5th or 6th largest city in North America. These paragraphs aren't very well-formed but I have to flu and its 1 in the morning.
3 weeks after I was born, my parents house was destroyed in the racial riots that engulfed Sri Lanka. I spent the next month or so of my life in the college my mother taught at. Lived in India for a year, moved to England (2 years, immigrated to Montreal (another 2 years) and finally to Toronto. My father is an accountant, my mother is a social worker. Due to social problems in school, I was recommended for the gifted program. I am well acquainted with public transit. I'm currently in my 3rd year physics/ math at the university of windsor. Windsor is incidently considered the worst comprehensive university in canada but when you high school was at the time probably the best in Canada academically, it teaches you things about relativity.
Technically I'm a dual-citizen, though I just recently realized that since I was born in Sri Lanka I'm a Sri Lankan citizen. Living in Detroit's twin city is strange, so many more trees in Canada. I'm very liberal, I remember we had a political spectrum quiz in high school, my roommate and I were the only two strong liberals. Montreal is for those that don't know, a city in Quebec (the french province of Canada) though it has a large anglophone population. Toronto is the probably the 5th or 6th largest city in North America. These paragraphs aren't very well-formed but I have to flu and its 1 in the morning.
Originally posted by: Tab
Actually, I am interested in Vic's education level and many other members. One's education has an huge affect on where one stands politically.
Not that it matters to the debate, continue please.
I'm going for a BS in Economics and I'm moderately libertarian.
My mother worked her arse off to raise five kids, get an education, and get a decent job. My mother and my stepdad are now making a very decent living and my mom is also thinking about starting up her own business.
I think that's probably had the most impact on my political views. She worked her ass off but I will admit that she did have some help. She recieved help on paying for her education. I agree that the poor need help paying for an education that will help get them a better job (which will boost tax revenue) in the future. My mother is fairly Republican but never really discussed religion with me that often so I was kind of left to figure that one out by myself. That is probably the reason I'm fairly socially liberal.
So that's my background and my views. I still think communism sucks.
Vic
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You all realize that the only reason MAW1082 asked for my educational level was as an extremely weak attempt at ad hominem against me, right? And that was hardly his first logical fallacy, having already used strawman, appeal to authority, appeal to pity, prejudicial language, and even a really weak attempt at trying to assert that I didn't understand a common word that I clearly did understand (it seems, in fact, that he simply couldn't understand my argument). There's very little fierce or objective about him, it seems to me. And certainly no logical argument. "Oh, look! Cher is a communist. That means it must be right!" :roll:
All the while, my argument was logically presented and laid out (albeit in my occasionally hotheaded way ), i.e. that communism is anathema to freedom, and he never once addressed it. Not once. Obviously because he knows it's true.
And W_T_F does his BS in EE have to do with establishing credentials in an argument about political theory and history? Nothing. Back to the server room, IT biatch!
All the while, my argument was logically presented and laid out (albeit in my occasionally hotheaded way
), i.e. that communism is anathema to freedom, and he never once addressed it. Not once. Obviously because he knows it's true.And W_T_F does his BS in EE have to do with establishing credentials in an argument about political theory and history? Nothing. Back to the server room, IT biatch!
MAW1082
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Originally posted by: Vic
You all realize that the only reason MAW1082 asked for my educational level was as an extremely weak attempt at ad hominem against me, right? And that was hardly his first logical fallacy, having already used strawman, appeal to authority, appeal to pity, prejudicial language, and even a really weak attempt at trying to assert that I didn't understand a common word that I clearly did understand (it seems, in fact, that he simply couldn't understand my argument). There's very little fierce or objective about him, it seems to me. And certainly no logical argument. "Oh, look! Cher is a communist. That means it must be right!" :roll:
All the while, my argument was logically presented and laid out (albeit in my occasionally hotheaded way
And W_T_F does his BS in EE have to do with establishing credentials in an argument about political theory and history? Nothing. Back to the server room, IT biatch!
I guess we can agree to disagree at this point . . .
Originally posted by: MAW1082
Originally posted by: Vic
You all realize that the only reason MAW1082 asked for my educational level was as an extremely weak attempt at ad hominem against me, right? And that was hardly his first logical fallacy, having already used strawman, appeal to authority, appeal to pity, prejudicial language, and even a really weak attempt at trying to assert that I didn't understand a common word that I clearly did understand (it seems, in fact, that he simply couldn't understand my argument). There's very little fierce or objective about him, it seems to me. And certainly no logical argument. "Oh, look! Cher is a communist. That means it must be right!" :roll:
All the while, my argument was logically presented and laid out (albeit in my occasionally hotheaded way
And W_T_F does his BS in EE have to do with establishing credentials in an argument about political theory and history? Nothing. Back to the server room, IT biatch!
I guess we can agree to disagree at this point . . .
Reds always surrender.
Colt45
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Originally posted by: Amplifier
Originally posted by: MAW1082
Originally posted by: Vic
You all realize that the only reason MAW1082 asked for my educational level was as an extremely weak attempt at ad hominem against me, right? And that was hardly his first logical fallacy, having already used strawman, appeal to authority, appeal to pity, prejudicial language, and even a really weak attempt at trying to assert that I didn't understand a common word that I clearly did understand (it seems, in fact, that he simply couldn't understand my argument). There's very little fierce or objective about him, it seems to me. And certainly no logical argument. "Oh, look! Cher is a communist. That means it must be right!" :roll:
All the while, my argument was logically presented and laid out (albeit in my occasionally hotheaded way
And W_T_F does his BS in EE have to do with establishing credentials in an argument about political theory and history? Nothing. Back to the server room, IT biatch!
I guess we can agree to disagree at this point . . .
Reds always surrender.
Yep, just like in vietnam eh?
man i was thinking communism worked and then i saw this image and now i know i was wrong :laugh:
Vic
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Alright, let me ask you a question: when there is no state, and we live in this perfect freedom, and my neighbor decides to pay my family a visit and and rapes my wife and daughter and kills my son, where is my freedom then when there will be no justice?
Oh, that's right... think cow... hmmm... cud, tasty cud...
Well, if you toe the traditional mantra, communism is an "economic theory."
I think educated people have moved past this definition. You cannot separate economics from politics and politics from government. Anyone looking at communism from a purely economic standpoint is looking at an incomplete picture. I would more properly define it as a social system, since in actuality, it involves various societal aspects.
More specifically, I would call it a "dictatorship theory," in practice.
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