In 3 sentences or less, your argument on religion...

[MJinZ]

I was talking to a hardcore christian today, having a peaceful discussion about both of our views. I want to keep this thread peaceful also. Not looking for discussion per se, but your arguments on why you believe or don't believe in a god, and fairly brief, just a few sentences. I'd like to hear what people think is most important in their beliefs. I know P&N has not the greatest reputation and I don't venture here often so I don't know what to expect. Some respect would be nice. If you think its a stupid thread, feel free to move on and not waste your time on it

1) Religion gives hope and less mentally capable people guidelines to live their lives.

2) Believing that existence/life is meaningless is illogical - might as well kill yourself now and get it over with.

3) Cross your fingers and hope everything works out.

 

[Moonbeam]

Humility is just weakness to most, and weakness has no place if you wish to ascend the hierachy, Moonie. The ego rules.

So true. Ego is false strength pasted over a broken soul. Take it away and there is that broken soul. But I think you must suspect what Moonie says so often, the world is upside down and the lowly are the highest of the high.

We live as in a capsized ship. To find life we have to dive.

 

[MJinZ]

How about four sentences in three quotes from two "other guys" as to why my belief remains open to the one?

Get it? 4,3,2,1, lift off!

Hear hear to all three quotes.

 

[Moonbeam]

1) Religion gives hope and less mentally capable people guidelines to live their lives.

2) Believing that existence/life is meaningless is illogical - might as well kill yourself now and get it over with.

3) Cross your fingers and hope everything works out.

It's good that you have this belief because you are clearly less mentally capable.

 

[MJinZ]

It's good that you have this belief because you are clearly less mentally capable.

That must make you pretty damn average since I've logically out-argued you in every single debate.

 

[soulcougher73]

 

[Moonbeam]

That must make you pretty damn average since I've logically out-argued you in every single debate.

Of course. You win all your punch drunk fantasy fights and before you even have them. It goes with the turf of having a colossally stupid fat-ego.

 

[Patranus]

I don't really care.
Freedom of religion not from religion.
The "progressive" need to take the stick out of their ass regarding religion as the "progressive" are just as bad on other issues like global warming.

 

[MJinZ]

Of course. You win all your punch drunk fantasy fights and before you even have them. It goes with the turf of having a colossally stupid fat-ego.

Really? You can have a stupid Ego?

 

[Amused]

There is no valid proof for the existence of a deity or deities

There is no valid proof for the non-existence of a deity or deities.

Therefore the only logical position is neutrality and to live and let live.

 

[zsdersw]

Freedom of religion not from religion.

We're granted both by the Constitution.

The "freedom from religion" part means we're free from having a religion forced on us by the government or others; that we each can choose to not have any religion at all.

The "progressive" need to take the stick out of their ass regarding religion as the "progressive" are just as bad on other issues like global warming.

There's no hope of you ever taking the many sticks out of your ass on any number of issues.

 

[Amused]

We're granted both by the Constitution.

The "freedom from religion" part means we're free from having a religion forced on us by the government or others; that we can choose to not have any religion at all.

You are free not to practice it. But others ARE free to practice it. While government MUST remain religiously neutral, individuals have no such mandate, and can and may expose you to their religion if they please. To demand they do not is to stifle their freedom of speech.

In other words, you're gonna see religion and be exposed to it. Get over it.

 

[zsdersw]

You are free not to practice it. But others ARE free to practice it. While government MUST remain religiously neutral, individuals have no such mandate, and can and may expose you to their religion if they please. To demand they do not is to stifle their freedom of speech.

In other words, you're gonna see religion and be exposed to it. Get over it.

"Expose to" != "forced".

 

[Amused]

"Expose to" != "forced".

Of course. Unfortunately, for some activist atheists, they are one and the same. Every time they see a religious symbol or hear a religious person express their beliefs, they complain and act as if they are being forced.

 

[zsdersw]

Of course. Unfortunately, for some activist atheists, they are one and the same. Every time they see a religious symbol or hear a religious person express their beliefs, they complain and act as if they are being forced.

And, conversely, for some activist religious people, every time they don't see their religious symbol or hear someone not use certain religious terms, they complain and act as if they are being forced to surrender their religion.

 

[piasabird]

Suggest you read the Bible from Cover to Cover.

I think a lot of people on this forum just want an excuse for all their immorality. They would rather make themselves their own God, or worship material things.

 

[BigDH01]

There is no valid proof for the existence of a deity or deities

There is no valid proof for the non-existence of a deity or deities.

Therefore the only logical position is neutrality and to live and let live.

You don't need proof of the non-existence of something to disbelieve it (especially as it pertains to the metaphysical). Otherwise, I could just make all sorts of outlandish claims that you can't disprove and demand your neutrality.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

"I want to see his face."

You don’t want to walk and talk about jesus?

btw, awesome quote....

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

My belief that having those having a faith are as well regarded as Jesse Jackson by the KKK here.

A religion thread here has an implicit sign "THIS IS THE PLACE TO TROLL WITH IMPUNITY"

An so it goes.

My personal views are irrelevant because that's not what people want. You can't make a joke about women because it's "advocating violence", yet far worse is done to many harmless people. It's the cool thing.

 

[Danube]

1) People have conflict over their identities and nature because they are part spirit in an animal body with an awareness unlike animals.

2) People give into their animal nature more easily but the more they do so the more conflict they have (because of conscience) and this is the basis of addiction since all false salivations take people away from their core identity and fuse them to their animal

3) Evidence of both good and evil in people is everywhere and the people who have made excuses for their lower nature (or failed to resolve it - so easy its very hard) and gone in to denial over their spiritual id tend to hate the people who remind them of it

 

[thraashman]

I do not need a meaning to life, living is its own meaning. I have no fear of death that requires me to believe in an afterlife. I've seen no evidence that supports a supernatural creator being.

 

[totalnoob]

If the general public had an attitude like ATOT, I would be crying tears of joy. Sadly we live in a country full of credulous bible-thumping dumbasses who have always swallowed whatever their parents/preachers throw at them without a second thought. Skepticism and critical thinking really should be taught at the elementary school level.

 

[Moonbeam]

Really? You can have a stupid Ego?

You win again. Oh nosers!

 

[Pens1566]

What other beliefs/theories/ideas that are thousands of years old remain unchanged and are correct?

 

[nonlnear]

What other beliefs/theories/ideas that are thousands of years old remain unchanged and are correct?

Unchanged? At least be honest, please.