Impromptu iPhone photoshoot: MKIV Supra & e36 M3

[Sunny129]

It's not an aggressive stance, though. The stock M3 has an aggressive stance. What your brother has done is just completely screw that up to make it look ridiculous.

if you you think a stock e36 M3 (or even a stock e46 or e92 M3, which use more aggressive offsets than the e36) has an aggressive stance, you need to get your eyes checked...actually i'll just give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your eyes are OK, and you've just got the concept of "aggressive stance" severely twisted. in no way, shape, or form is a stock ride whose stock wheels don't even come close to filling out the wheel well and are pushed into the fender well (not flush) even close to having an aggressive stance...

clearly you don't think that the M Coupe has aggressive wheel fitment either since you quoted the picture and commented. while the M Coupe wheel/tire fitment was not nearly as aggressive and the M3's is now, it was flush fitment...and those wheels/tires were perfectly flush w/ the fenders. sorry if your eyes can't detect it, but both the M3 and the M Coupe had much more aggressive wheel/tire fitment than either of those cars in stock form...

i think what you're referring to as an aggressive stance, and what the rest of us understand to be an aggressive stance, are two very different concepts. google "stanced" and learn what it is. perhaps you've been referring to the look of the entire car, i don't know...i'm sure there's a name for whatever you've been referring to, but it isn't stance...

 

[homercles337]

i understand you don't like what you see...and that's fine b/c everyone is entitled to an opinion. but labeling something ricey when its not is a bit presumptuous. most people either love or hate an aggressive stance...but more often than not the ones who express dislike confuse their feelings about the car w/ rice, or at the very least lump it into the same category where it doesn't belong. just to clear things up for you, the following are examples of overly aggressive and ricey stances:

Those stances do nothing but harm handling and putting power to the ground. Thus, ricey. They are all show, no go.

in no way, shape, or form is a stock ride whose stock wheels don't even come close to filling out the wheel well and are pushed into the fender well (not flush) even close to having an aggressive stance...

Uh, yeah, you are the confused one here. Do you think you know more than a team of BMW engineers?

 

[Sunny129]

^ whatever makes you sleep better at night lol...

Uh, yeah, you are the confused one here. Do you think you know more than a team of BMW engineers?

no, i don't pretend to know better than BMW engineers. i also don't pretend that just because the e36 M3 handles better on stock suspension and ride height, the stock ride must therefore have the more aggressive look. you guys are confusing general performance with a term that refers strictly to aesthetics. we're talking about stance, not performance here...

 

[homercles337]

^ whatever makes you sleep better at night lol...


no, i don't pretend to know better than BMW engineers. i also don't pretend that just because the e36 M3 handles better on stock suspension and ride height, the stock ride must therefore have the more aggressive look. you guys are confusing general performance with a term that refers strictly to aesthetics. we're talking about stance, not performance here...

Are you suggesting that cambered and stretched are advantages to handling or putting power to the pavement? Simple question.

EDIT:
> we're talking about stance, not performance here...

So, show, not go?

 

[Sunny129]

Are you suggesting that cambered and stretched are advantages to handling or putting power to the pavement? Simple question.

not once in this thread have i made that assertion or suggestion. as a matter of fact, we've already addressed in this thread the fact that stretched tires and excess negative camber hinder handling and overall performance...you'd know that, had you cared to read the thread. hence the reason i had to point out to you after your first post that we're talking strictly aesthetics here, and not performance. its also the reason i had to address your confusion between aggressive handling and an aggressive stance...nobody here is arguing with the fact that an M3 on stock suspension and ride height has more aggressive handling. i'm arguing that those of you who think the stock M3 wheel/tire setup LOOKS more aggressive than the stanced M3 in this thread either need your eyes checked, or just don't understand what an aggressive stance is in the first place...its that simple.

EDIT:
> we're talking about stance, not performance here...

So, show, not go?

yes, we are talking strictly about stance, not performance, when we address the wheel and tire fitment of the M3 featured in this thread. and yes, such an aggressive wheel/tire fitment is considered show, not go.

 

[manimal]

not once in this thread have i made that assertion or suggestion. as a matter of fact, we've already addressed in this thread the fact that stretched tires and excess negative camber hinder handling and overall performance...you'd know that, had you cared to read the thread. hence the reason i had to point out to you after your first post that we're talking strictly aesthetics here, and not performance. its also the reason i had to address your confusion between aggressive handling and an aggressive stance...nobody here is arguing with the fact that an M3 on stock suspension and ride height has more aggressive handling. i'm arguing that those of you who think the stock M3 wheel/tire setup LOOKS more aggressive than the stanced M3 in this thread either need your eyes checked, or just don't understand what an aggressive stance is in the first place...its that simple.



yes, we are talking strictly about stance, not performance, when we address the wheel and tire fitment of the M3 featured in this thread. and yes, such an aggressive wheel/tire fitment is considered show, not go.

Honestly Sunny dont bother with the haters. I just dont understand why people just cant say, sure not my thing but cool nonetheless.


I personally think stanced cars look cool and can appreciate them like say a Harley Davidson. Doesnt mean I would own one.



Geez some of you need to change your tampons.

 

[homercles337]

blah, blah, blah...

I have neither the time nor patience to deal with you. I was replying to your claim of "aggressive stance." Since your notion of "aggressive stance" has nothing to do with performance and you have clearly made weak attempts to redefine a commonly used word, all you have done is admitted you are wrong. Now, should we broach the topic of your "big ass rear spoilers?" Clearly this is also an area where "aesthetics" are more important than performance.

 

[manimal]

I have neither the time nor patience to deal with you. I was replying to your claim of "aggressive stance." Since your notion of "aggressive stance" has nothing to do with performance and you have clearly made weak attempts to redefine a commonly used word, all you have done is admitted you are wrong. Now, should we broach the topic of your "big ass rear spoilers?" Clearly this is also an area where "aesthetics" are more important than performance.

FYI stance = looks only


obvious troll is obvious.

 

[homercles337]

FYI stance = looks only

What? No it does not. Since you could not be bothered to read the definition, here:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stance

 

[manimal]

What? No it does not. Since you could not be bothered to read the definition, here:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stance

Nice try. Stance = looks


Nobody including sunny ever said stance had anything to do with performance in this tread.


If you want to troll im sure there are some opportunities for you in atot. wtf is wrong with you?

 

[homercles337]

Nice try. Stance = looks


Nobody including sunny ever said stance had anything to do with performance in this tread.


If you want to troll im sure there are some opportunities for you in atot. wtf is wrong with you?

What? Is English a second language for you? English is an evolving language, but that does not mean that you can invent your own definition of a word and claim it is widely used. YOU might use it, but you will get called out for it...hence this thread. Youre wrong, plain and simple. Spend about two minutes with the definitions of aggressive and stance. If you still feel like you are correct, English is probably not the best language for you because you clearly do not understand it.

 

[jlee]

What? Is English a second language for you? English is an evolving language, but that does not mean that you can invent your own definition of a word and claim it is widely used. YOU might use it, but you will get called out for it...hence this thread. Youre wrong, plain and simple. Spend about two minutes with the definitions of aggressive and stance. If you still feel like you are correct, English is probably not the best language for you because you clearly do not understand it.

Do a Google image search for "aggressive stance" and you'll see that the definition, as currently generally accepted, has already been established.

 

[homercles337]

Do a Google image search for "aggressive stance" and you'll see that the definition, as currently generally accepted, has already been established.

You really think i would not have done that before my post? Please provide your "generally accepted" definition because it clearly differs from "generally accepted" outside of ATG.

EDIT: Seriously. I get tons of stock stances, with big wheels, no camber, and no stretch. WTF is wrong with you?

 

[FuzzyDunlop]

What? Is English a second language for you? English is an evolving language, but that does not mean that you can invent your own definition of a word and claim it is widely used. YOU might use it, but you will get called out for it...hence this thread. Youre wrong, plain and simple. Spend about two minutes with the definitions of aggressive and stance. If you still feel like you are correct, English is probably not the best language for you because you clearly do not understand it.

If I remember correctly, English is his second language. And he speaks (or types I should say) it better than you.
as jlee said, google search "aggressive stance" and you will get results that look like the M3

 

[DominionSeraph]

clearly you don't think that the M Coupe has aggressive wheel fitment either since you quoted the picture and commented.

I was referring to those ridiculous rears.

Oh, and:

stance
noun
1.
the position or bearing of the body while standing: legs spread in a wide stance; the threatening stance of the bull.

The stock M3 stands aggressively. Crushing it into the ground up to its roofline or putting 20 foot axles on it so it looks like a water bug would not fit the definition of "aggressive" in reference to the bearing of the car.
That car is way out of proportion.
An M3 can definitely be made to have a more aggressive stance than stock but that's not the way to do it.

 

[homercles337]

as jlee said, google search "aggressive stance" and you will get results that look like the M3

I did and already replied to that nonsense. I do not get cambered, stretched results. About 10% of results are bagged, 70% lowered, and 20% stock. How about YOU do the same?

 

[Sunny129]

I have neither the time nor patience to deal with you.

nor i with you...so you're welcome to take yourself and your delusions right out of this thread...i'll even show you the door.

Nice try. Stance = looks


Nobody including sunny ever said stance had anything to do with performance in this tread.


If you want to troll im sure there are some opportunities for you in atot. wtf is wrong with you?

i took your advice you gave a few posts up, and i'm no longer feeding the troll...you should join me in that effort.

I was referring to those ridiculous rears.

could you be more specific please? i'm not sure i understand what you find ridiculous about the rear wheels/tires on the M Coupe...


...for those who are still so delusional as to think that a "stanced" ride has to do with anything more than just how wheels, tires, and suspension makes a car look, you could stand to learn something from Stace Nation. seriously people, this is a thread devoted to all constructive criticism, good or bad...but it is not a debate about whether or not the M3 is stanced. it is stanced, and that much has already been established by the interpretation of the word "stance" w/ respect to the automotive industry. the only thing left to debate is whether its your cup of tea or not...

 

[jlee]

You really think i would not have done that before my post? Please provide your "generally accepted" definition because it clearly differs from "generally accepted" outside of ATG.

EDIT: Seriously. I get tons of stock stances, with big wheels, no camber, and no stretch. WTF is wrong with you?

 

[homercles337]

i took your advice you gave a few posts up, and i'm no longer feeding the troll...you should join me in that effort.

Your level of delusion is truly disturbing. Again, spend some time with the dictionary...aggressive and stance. Then do some thinking, yeah, its hard for you, but try it. Aggressive is an adjective modifier on the noun stance. An aggressive stance is one of action, if you can not understand this i doubt you can understand 3rd grade English. Thats when i learned this...

 

[homercles337]

You are pathetic. Truly a lost cause. #3, 4, and 5 of your circled examples are not cambered or stretched. Is that the best you can do, really? Again, pathetic.

 

[RKS]

I like all of the cars including the M coupe. The colors and wheels are fantastic. I'm not a stance/poke/stretch guy but if you have 500+ HP then you can roll low & slow as you like.

If you want Webster's definition of aggressive stance, here it is:

 

[jlee]

You are pathetic. Truly a lost cause. #3, 4, and 5 of your circled examples are not cambered or stretched. Is that the best you can do, really? Again, pathetic.

....that's practical? A "stance of action," if you will?

No.

You really should stop posting. If you keep this up, you'll be ignored anyway. You don't have the subtlety or intelligence required to be a truly epic troll.

 

[manimal]

The last few responses made my day. Thank you guys!

 

[JCH13]

The last few responses made my day. Thank you guys!

Many lulz were had!

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Many lulz were had!

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