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Impeachment coming

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Greenman said:
I wasn't aware they were armed, but I haven't been following that closely.
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IronWing said:
He's just pulling his normal "who me?" shit.
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Zorba said:
Then pay some fucking attention, your president just made the first ever attempted coup on this country. There are pictures every where. Obviously you don't even care enough about your country to know it came the closest it's been to ending since 1865.
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Both possibly valid points...he's either truly clueless to the event or he's just lying again. Either way, his typical level of external awareness to the situation. 🙄
 
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Grey_Beard said:
There must be consequences. Not sure impeachment can be done quickly, censure or the 25th Amendment. I like impeachment because if convicted he can never hold office again. Seems required given the recent events. So what if it happens after 1/20. Something must happen.
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there is also the option of impeaching him after leaving office so he can't run again
 
Greenman said:
Hyperbole.
Why didn't law enforcement on the scene open fire on the crazed terrorist's?
Why wasn't there body's littering the street?
Why didn't the terrorist's open fire while storming the building?
What was the objective?
I used to have a Boy Scout troop that could have pulled off a better operation than this. No planning, no objective, no organization, just some dumb fuck dressed up like a gay Viking doing a photo op.
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Is there anything in life that you won't handwave away as NBD because the undeniable truth makes you uncomfortable?
 
BoomerD said:
Nah, I know greenman on two different sites. While we may have different views on politics, he's never said anything that struck me as the least bit racist. Just because someone is a Trump supporter or Republican, doesn't automatically make them a racist.
Youse liberals need to give that shit a rest.
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Ever since the racist southern democrats fled the party to take control of the Republican party in response to Civil Rights, and trapping the GOP into a platform of race-based disenfranchisement in public law and policy, throughout the country, for a generation up until current times, there really is no argument to be made that a GOP supporter isn't racist.

It's the central pillar of their platform. They use different terms now, they would call them "PC," but it is a platform or racism. Every single one of them hated Obama, not because of policy, because they don't have a single fucking argument couched in any kind of actual human reality about actual policy that they disagree with. It is all invented horseshit to cover the fact that they dislike his blackness. It was fucking instant the day he took office. The Teabaggers, these insurrectionists that came out of the woodworks to attack the idea that African Americans can gain a single foothold in this country.

It has never stopped, and until everyone recognizes this plain fucking truth, it will continue. If you support a single GOP policy, at any point, you are a fucking racist. It isn't any other way.
 
Greenman said:
Hyperbole.
Why didn't law enforcement on the scene open fire on the crazed terrorist's?
Why wasn't there body's littering the street?
Why didn't the terrorist's open fire while storming the building?
What was the objective?
I used to have a Boy Scout troop that could have pulled off a better operation than this. No planning, no objective, no organization, just some dumb fuck dressed up like a gay Viking doing a photo op.
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Hope you beat this. Get better soon.
 
BoomerD said:
Nah, I know greenman on two different sites. While we may have different views on politics, he's never said anything that struck me as the least bit racist. Just because someone is a Trump supporter or Republican, doesn't automatically make them a racist.
Youse liberals need to give that shit a rest.
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He supports his party as they tried, in vain, to throw out votes of large black populations with zero justification were the subtext was obviously a disenfranchisement of those black populations. Pushing the idea that Detroit's votes don't count is about as racist as it gets and Greenman is supportive of his party regardless.
 
zinfamous said:
Ever since the racist southern democrats fled the party to take control of the Republican party in response to Civil Rights, and trapping the GOP into a platform of race-based disenfranchisement in public law and policy, throughout the country, for a generation up until current times, there really is no argument to be made that a GOP supporter isn't racist.

It's the central pillar of their platform. They use different terms now, they would call them "PC," but it is a platform or racism. Every single one of them hated Obama, not because of policy, because they don't have a single fucking argument couched in any kind of actual human reality about actual policy that they disagree with. It is all invented horseshit to cover the fact that they dislike his blackness. It was fucking instant the day he took office. The Teabaggers, these insurrectionists that came out of the woodworks to attack the idea that African Americans can gain a single foothold in this country.

It has never stopped, and until everyone recognizes this plain fucking truth, it will continue. If you support a single GOP policy, at any point, you are a fucking racist. It isn't any other way.
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I agree, as a conservative voter when I was younger, Republican voters response to Obama was the push I needed to realize what was up. Bush getting us into endless wars was enough to show me how "fiscally" conservative R's, but the outright racism that blossomed 2009 and after was the last straw.
 
ch33zw1z said:
I agree, as a conservative voter when I was younger, Republican voters response to Obama was the push I needed to realize what was up. Bush getting us into endless wars was enough to show me how "fiscally" conservative R's, but the outright racism that blossomed 2009 and after was the last straw.
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Yep, the fact is they haven't been "fiscally responsible" since the take over. When Strom and his army of yokel Dixiecrats captured the GOP, they decided to keep the title "fiscal conservative" but never acted on it. They kept that title, because it was an easier sell than the reality of their new party: "Segregation and Jim Crow." The second part has never changed, and you can go year to year to year with every single GOP policy that was specifically targeted to economically and socially disenfranchise minority voters. That's all they have ever been. Any GOPer that wants to believe differently is a fucking fool.

Sounds familiar, though: Don't like what the rest of the country is doing, what you're party is doing, so cry and take your ball home, create your own party by destroying another, call yourself whatever you want but continue to champion the causes that the rest of the country plainly rejects. Decades of this childish, evil behavior only ever leads to confused hillbillies assaulting the seat of the federal govervment because, for some reason--they don't think the people that clearly see what they are saying are actually listening to what they are saying (because what they are saying is a fantasy delusion, and they probably can't wrap their heads around it because they worship a fantasy party that has been designed to turn them into empty husks of ignorant hate)

Fuck these pieces of shit. Every one of them.
 
Greenman said:
I'm going to go ahead and predict that won't happen.
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Good luck with that prediction. His estranged niece who is a clinical psychologist disagrees with you. She's been correct in her predictions of trump's actions so far. If he is not removed soon we are looking at more chaos and division and violence and coup attempts. You really need to read this. It will help you understand what we are up against.

www.businessinsider.com

Mary Trump says her uncle is more desperate now and Americans should be 'both enraged and terrified'

"We can't put anything past Donald," the president's niece said. "He's desperate, he's terrified, he has absolutely no empathy, and he's a nihilist."
www.businessinsider.com www.businessinsider.com
 
Lanyap said:
Good luck with that prediction. His estranged niece who is a clinical psychologist disagrees with you. She's been correct in her predictions of trump's actions so far. If he is not removed soon we are looking at more chaos and division and violence and coup attempts. You really need to read this. It will help you understand what we are up against.

www.businessinsider.com

Mary Trump says her uncle is more desperate now and Americans should be 'both enraged and terrified'

"We can't put anything past Donald," the president's niece said. "He's desperate, he's terrified, he has absolutely no empathy, and he's a nihilist."
www.businessinsider.com www.businessinsider.com
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Lets check back here in a couple of weeks and see how I did.
 
Lanyap said:
Good luck with that prediction. His estranged niece who is a clinical psychologist disagrees with you. She's been correct in her predictions of trump's actions so far. If he is not removed soon we are looking at more chaos and division and violence and coup attempts. You really need to read this. It will help you understand what we are up against.

www.businessinsider.com

Mary Trump says her uncle is more desperate now and Americans should be 'both enraged and terrified'

"We can't put anything past Donald," the president's niece said. "He's desperate, he's terrified, he has absolutely no empathy, and he's a nihilist."
www.businessinsider.com www.businessinsider.com
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It looks like you guys are talking past each other. I think we all (mostly) agree that Trump is a deranged wacko, that should have his power to do more damage removed ASAP.

But some think that with the remaining time, and the need for Republican support, that in practical reality, it won't be accomplished.

AFAIK, the House Voting to impeach (somewhat likely) is not enough to strip Trump of power.

That would require the Senate voting to convict him of impeachment, this seems MUCH less likely.
 
Greenman said:
Hyperbole.
Why didn't law enforcement on the scene open fire on the crazed terrorist's?
Why wasn't there body's littering the street?
Why didn't the terrorist's open fire while storming the building?
What was the objective?
I used to have a Boy Scout troop that could have pulled off a better operation than this. No planning, no objective, no organization, just some dumb fuck dressed up like a gay Viking doing a photo op.
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Just because it was an inept attempt doesn’t mean it wasn’t an attempt.

Trump is lazy and incompetent, but that doesn’t mean this wasn’t real. They beat a police officer to death with a fire extinguisher, there are pictures of people with clusters of pre-looped zip ties for tying people up, etc.
 
Greenman said:
Hyperbole.
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Why didn't law enforcement on the scene open fire on the crazed terrorist's?
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Because LE was complicit. This is starting to come out. More details will follow.

Why wasn't there body's littering the street?
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Because LE was complicit.

Why didn't the terrorist's open fire while storming the building?
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Because they knew there would be no resistance from LE. See above.

What was the objective?
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Some of the rioters planned to take dem legislators hostage. Why else would they have restraint cable ties?

I used to have a Boy Scout troop that could have pulled off a better operation than this. No planning, no objective, no organization, just some dumb fuck dressed up like a gay Viking doing a photo op.
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Agreed. You have to take into account that these are trump patriots. They have low IQs so you can't expect too much.
 
guidryp said:
It looks like you guys are talking past each other. I think we all (mostly) agree that Trump is a deranged wacko, that should have his power to do more damage removed ASAP.

But some think that with the remaining time, and the need for Republican support, that in practical reality, it won't be accomplished.

AFAIK, the House Voting to impeach (somewhat likely) is not enough to strip Trump of power.

That would require the Senate voting to convict him of impeachment, this seems MUCH less likely.
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I think he will almost certainly be impeached but I agree the fact that by the time the articles are passed he will be out in a week will probably limit the motivation of Republican senators to act.

I think the most likely outcome is that there is some sort of agreement among his cabinet to ignore any insane orders he gives and/or invoke the 25th if he insists. He seems broken, I expect him to be fairly quiet for the remainder of his time. He still SHOULD be removed for both reasons of precedent and safety because this isn’t a sure thing, but I think his power is gone.
 
He should have been impeached the next day. The fact that he rebuffed efforts to activate the National Guard and then send that tweet that said, "Remember this day", was enough. He wanted a coup or wanted the Congress to be scared of his supporters to go along with his demands. This is disgusting. Republicans are equally responsible for enabling him.
 
guidryp said:
It looks like you guys are talking past each other. I think we all (mostly) agree that Trump is a deranged wacko, that should have his power to do more damage removed ASAP.

But some think that with the remaining time, and the need for Republican support, that in practical reality, it won't be accomplished.

AFAIK, the House Voting to impeach (somewhat likely) is not enough to strip Trump of power.

That would require the Senate voting to convict him of impeachment, this seems MUCH less likely.
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I don't care, they still need to do it, and then we'll once again have McConnell's name listed next to Turmp's for enabling all of this.
 
Don’t know if this was brought up, but as an alternative “could” Trump rather than resign, or face the 25th amendment, or face impeachment, “could” Trump simply not resign but instead turn over the operations of the presidency to Mike Pence? Like when Reagan was in surgery, the vp assumed the presidency temporarily. Could something like that be an option? Then Trump could save face by not resigning while Mike Pence would be running the show and possibly giving the American people some sense of relief during these last few days.
 
Trump may have a lot black mail on our politicians. I can't see any other logical explanation as to why the 25th hasn't been invoked yet. If nothing happens I feel like we are looking at some serious unrest on the 20th. If Trump is as screwed as some of these news outlets suggest, then his only "way out" of this mess may be a successful coup. But it's not going to be just his side that's there on the 20th. This needs to end now before we actually have an armed civil unrest (I'm not going to call it war, because it at least seems limited to a few radicals) within our country.
 
sportage said:
Don’t know if this was brought up, but as an alternative “could” Trump rather than resign, or face the 25th amendment, or face impeachment, “could” Trump simply not resign but instead turn over the operations of the presidency to Mike Pence? Like when Reagan was in surgery, the vp assumed the presidency temporarily. Could something like that be an option? Then Trump could save face by not resigning while Mike Pence would be running the show and possibly giving the American people some sense of relief during these last few days.
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I believe he would have to resign. I don't know if it were the 25th used during Reagan's surgery but it details the same outcome, basically. Using it isn't necessarily a permanent change, but I doubt Trump would agree to it happening.
 
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