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woolfe9998

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He should be assigned a public attorney if no one is willing to represent him…and that public attorney should dedicate the same amount of time and money to his case as that attorney dedicates to all the other cases in that attorney’s caseload.

It's being reported that Trump wanted his team to keep arguing that there was election fraud .... lol ,"I won by a lot!"

His lawyers wanted to argue a legitimate issue, if not necessarily very strong one. They may have a losing case, but it’s not a batshit case. Trump wanted them to argue nonsense with nothing. He’s insisting they set themselves to look stupid in a show trial. It seems they just aren’t dumb enough to be willing to shit themselves on the Senate floor at his command.

But I’m thrilled to discover he’s going to make “Massive election fraud, I really won by a lot!”, the cornerstone of his defense…for no other reason than it should keep him banned from social media for forever. Since he won’t be able to hire a lawyer any more competent than Giuliani to argue this, the entertainment value of the trial will also be considerable.

The majority of Republicans have already shown that they are willing to acquit Trump on constitutional grounds, however weak. But Trump arguing this appears to be a tacit admission that his intent was to incite insurrection, because it was justified by election fraud. This will at least place the Republicans on record for acquitting Trump on the basis of pure nonsense.

He’s got the art of “living the lie” nailed down in a way that makes crackheads jealous. Of course, as any crackhead who has ever gotten into legal trouble for “just standing on the corner, minding my own business” can tell you, that shit don’t work too good on judges.

Again, this is just Trump shooting himself in the dick. It looks like the Republicans were trying to give themselves, and him, an out here by making the argument that it’s Constitutionally impermissible to have this trial on a former president. They would acquit him and escape making a hard decision. Cowardly, but effective. He is insisting on full exoneration though, and arguing that not only was he not responsible for the violence on 1/6, but since he wants to argue that the election was stolen, that such violence was actually justified. Hence removing the GOP, and his, cowardly way out.

I agree. I want him to argue that the election was stolen. The issue needs to be litigated out in the open by the Senate, where it will be televised. The trouble with the 62 court cases that Trump lost is that most people know very little about them.
 

woolfe9998

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Lol ... Jacob Chansley aka The QAnon Shaman douchebag is still trying to offer his "testimony" against Trump.

I mean, I sure hope he’s not going to testify, because the guy is obviously either a fucking moron, insane, or both. Does he have emails or texts from Trump ordering him to do this? If so, what testimony will; he offer? He got messages from Trump through his TV? If those messages overtly called for insurrection, why do they need Chansley? If they don’t, of what import are the delusions of a fucking “Qanon shaman”?

Look at the pictures of the guy. He’s wearing horns, face paint and no shirt, and in every picture he’s braying like a donkey. Not exactly a prosecution star witness.

I guess this might work:

Lawyer: Trump’s words couldn’t possibly inspire the capitol invasion.

Shaman douche : I invaded the capitol because Trump’s words inspired me to do so.

I think its funny that so many of those who have been charged said Trump told them to do it. Trump is supposed to be their hero but look how quickly they turn on him when their own asses are on the line. I guess that in and of itself is the most important lesson they learned from Trump. In the end, your only loyalty is to yourself.
 
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In addition to the five who are known as likely to vote for conviction (Toomey, Sasse, Romney, Murkowski, Collins) two others (Portman and Cassidy) have said they are open to conviction depending on the evidence presented.


We'll never get a conviction, but the more GOP who vote to convict, the better the public perception.
 
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In addition to the five who are known as likely to vote for conviction (Toomey, Sasse, Romney, Murkowski, Collins) two others (Portman and Cassidy) have said they are open to conviction depending on the evidence presented.


We'll never get a conviction, but the more GOP who vote to convict, the better the public perception.

i feel like it's just plausible deniability. i'd be genuinely shocked if they actually voted to convict.
 

Jhhnn

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I think its funny that so many of those who have been charged said Trump told them to do it. Trump is supposed to be their hero but look how quickly they turn on him when their own asses are on the line. I guess that in and of itself is the most important lesson they learned from Trump. In the end, your only loyalty is to yourself.

You have it backwards. Trump threw them under the bus when they failed to deliver the desired results. The very same day. Thumpity-thump. It was the Antifa agitators who made 'em so crazy. Terrarists & shit. Deep State. Mean Liberals. If that's not enough, he'll be back to arguing that the election really was stolen in the Senate trial, meaning that the rioters were completely justified, except it wasn't him who summoned them & inflamed their passions. Got it?
 
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It's rather disheartening the GOP is treating this impeachment as a party loyalty issue rather than complying with their oath to the Constitution. If insurrection is not punished with impeachment, nothing ever will be. God help us if we ever have a President that is as amoral/immoral as Trump but also has a modicum of political ability.
 

trenchfoot

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If Trump gets another skip out of jail freebie again it's going to make the Repubs in the Senate as guilty as Trump is as far as his sedition charges are concerned. Among other things, their letting him off this time around gives future Repub presidents free license to commit sedition as a means toward holding on to power due to the fact that these Repub senators were actual witnesses to and for some of them, suspected of enabling and cooperating with the insurrectionists Trump incited.

That being said, we all know that the Repubs are blatant hypocrites when it comes to applying and enforcing the laws of the land against their own members. If ever a Democrat POTUS went anywhere near exhibiting a mere hint, even a slight wiff of being seditious, the Repubs would be all over it like flies on shit, projecting the hell out of it all.
 
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gothuevos

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When in doubt, just apply the "what if Obama did it" test and let the results speak for themselves.
 

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I am registered Republican that didn't like Trump but i still do not understand the point of impeachment of Trump. An impeachment is normally used to remove an elected official from office . In this case Trump is gone, his term ended. Chances that super majority will find Trump guilty in the Senate is practically zero. If anything having a trial might actually make Trump more popular. Except for political spectucal, is there any real reason to have this impeachment trial?
 

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Except for political spectucal, is there any real reason to have this impeachment trial?

The reason is to hold that lying, treasonous piece of shit accountable for what happened on 1/6/21 and the months leading up to it. Screw precedence....how about rule of law?
 
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I am registered Republican that didn't like Trump but i still do not understand the point of impeachment of Trump. An impeachment is normally used to remove an elected official from office . In this case Trump is gone, his term ended. Chances that super majority will find Trump guilty in the Senate is practically zero. If anything having a trial might actually make Trump more popular. Except for political spectucal, is there any real reason to have this impeachment trial?
Because actions should have consequences. There needs to be a statement made that this behavior is completely unacceptable and set a precedent for the future. Just because he's not in office anymore doesn't mean he should get off scot free.
 
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I am registered Republican that didn't like Trump but i still do not understand the point of impeachment of Trump. An impeachment is normally used to remove an elected official from office . In this case Trump is gone, his term ended. Chances that super majority will find Trump guilty in the Senate is practically zero. If anything having a trial might actually make Trump more popular. Except for political spectucal, is there any real reason to have this impeachment trial?

Accountability IS NOT subject to term limits. A conviction in an impeachment trial does not just have to mean removal from office. There are only two punishments that can be issued in an impeachment. 1. Removal from office (If the person is still in office). 2) disqualified from ever holding any federal government office ever again. (For one who has been removed from office due to the impeachment, and/or those that have already left office). Number 2 is the reason. Do you want Trump to have the ability to run again if he is not held accountable? What do you think the results will be if he runs in 2024 and wins?
 

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I am registered Republican that didn't like Trump but i still do not understand the point of impeachment of Trump. An impeachment is normally used to remove an elected official from office . In this case Trump is gone, his term ended. Chances that super majority will find Trump guilty in the Senate is practically zero. If anything having a trial might actually make Trump more popular. Except for political spectucal, is there any real reason to have this impeachment trial?
If he is convicted he can then be voted by the Senate to never be able to hold public office.

If he isn't convicted we could actually have the orange menaced COVID-19 accomplice serial killer as the president again.
 

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If he is convicted he can then be voted by the Senate to never be able to hold public office.

If he isn't convicted we could actually have the orange menaced COVID-19 accomplice serial killer as the president again.
Lets be honest, he will not be convicted by the Senate. 45 or 46 Republicans voted to Declare this impeachment to be unconstitutional. There is no way in hell in current political environment that he will be found guilty. Sure statements can be made, video's can be shown but at the end of the day Senate will vote against convicting him. If anything he is getting exactly what he wants, he will have his lawyers again argue that election was stolen from him. His supporters will love to hear it. It's a circus that Trump will enjoy. He currently got no voice, not a single social media is letting him to speak and yet Senate will be giving him a voice.
 
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Because actions should have consequences. There needs to be a statement made that this behavior is completely unacceptable and set a precedent for the future. Just because he's not in office anymore doesn't mean he should get off scot free.
Bringing criminals to justice is the duty of prosecutors and a court of law.
The Senate's political process hardly seems the place to see it done.
The only statement made will be where Republican Senators stand, and I imagine most will stand by the issue of having no one to remove from office.
 
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Lets be honest, he will not be convicted by the Senate. 45 or 46 Republicans voted to Declare this impeachment to be unconstitutional. There is no way in hell in current political environment that he will be found guilty. Sure statements can be made, video's can be shown but at the end of the day Senate will vote against convicting him. If anything he is getting exactly what he wants, he will have his lawyers again argue that election was stolen from him. His supporters will love to hear it. It's a circus that Trump will enjoy. He currently got no voice, not a single social media is letting him to speak and yet Senate will be giving him a voice.
So we do nothing?
Fuck that.
The traitorous Senate Rs will be on record if he gets aquitted.
The orance menace won't be testifying.
And the lawyers won't argue this "election was stolen" defense either. No lawyer will do so as the "big lie" is demonstrably false. Why do you think his 5 lawyers walked? No lawyer worth his salt is going to argue that lie in court and put his/her lawyer career in jeopardy.

He may be acquitted, but we will see who is putting party over country in the history books, forever.
 
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So we do nothing?
Fuck that.
The traitorous Senate Rs will be on record if he gets aquitted.
The orance menace won't be testifying.
And the lawyers won't argue this "election was stolen" defense either. No lawyer will do so as the "big lie" is demonstrably false. Why do you think his 5 lawyers walked? No lawyer worth his salt is going to argue that lie court and put his lawyer career in jeopardy.

He may be acquitted, but we will see who is putting party over country in the history books, forever.
Most Senators on Republicans side if not all that will be voting against finding him guilty been there for long time. They are not worry about what the country thinks of them, they only worry what their local citizens think of them. Yes they will go on the record that they voted against convicting former President Trump and majority of their voters will celebrate.

Regarding your question on what should be done, maybe leave it to the local prosecutors and courts to decide how to handle it. If Trump broke the law, charge him with a crime, prosecute him to the fullest but again Senate is nothing but political statement with result we all already know even if some refuse to accept it.

Regarding lawyers not arguing that election been stolen, plenty of lawyers are willing to make a name for them self and what better way of doing in conservative section then to defend Trump.
 

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Most Senators on Republicans side if not all that will be voting against finding him guilty been there for long time. They are not worry about what the country thinks of them, they only worry what their local citizens think of them. Yes they will go on the record that they voted against convicting former President Trump and majority of their voters will celebrate.

Regarding your question on what should be done, maybe leave it to the local prosecutors and courts to decide how to handle it. If Trump broke the law, charge him with a crime, prosecute him to the fullest but again Senate is nothing but political statement with result we all already know even if some refuse to accept it.

Regarding lawyers not arguing that election been stolen, plenty of lawyers are willing to make a name for them self and what better way of doing in conservative section then to defend Trump.
You do know lawyers can potentially be disbarred for that? Censured at the minimum for arguing/promoting a proven lie in court.
Anyways, if we let this go without a trial then impeachment means shit. It means the next, smarter narcissist knows he can do
whatever the eff he wants and the Senate won't do shit.
At the minimum, its a twice-impeached tag hung around the orange menace's neck like a scarlet letter.
 
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You do know lawyers can potentially be disbarred for that? Censured at the minimum for arguing/promoting a proven lie in court.
Anyways, if we let this go without a trial then impeachment means shit. It means the next, smarter narcissist knows he can do
whatever the eff he wants and the Senate won't do shit.
At the minimum, its a twice-impeached tag hung around the orange menace's neck like a scarlet letter.
Court sure but Senate is not a court. It's political forum which is what people don't seem to understand. Next narcissist will be able to do whatever he/she wants as long as they have enough people that are in political power backing him/her up. Trump already been impeach that will not change regardless of what happens in the Senate.
 

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Court sure but Senate is not a court. It's political forum which is what people don't seem to understand. Next narcissist will be able to do whatever he/she wants as long as they have enough people that are in political power backing him/her up. Trump already been impeach that will not change regardless of what happens in the Senate.
You think its allowed for lawyers to treat this Senate trial different that a regular courtroom?
That they could argue the big lie and get away with it?
Then you haven't been watching what other lawyers have been saying. No one wants to defend this asshole because he wants them to argue election fraud. They arent going to risk their careers for him. He's radioactive.
 

weblooker2021

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You think its allowed for lawyers to treat this Senate trial different that a regular courtroom?
That they could argue the big lie and get away with it?
Then you haven't been watching what other lawyers have been saying. No one wants to defend this asshole because he wants them to argue election fraud. They arent going to risk their careers for him. He's radioactive.
Chief Justice will not be presiding judge this time around. The reality is yes lawyers can say anything they want as defense in Senate trial. Again it's not governed by same rules as normal criminal/civil court is. It's nothing but political trial.
 
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Court sure but Senate is not a court. It's political forum which is what people don't seem to understand. Next narcissist will be able to do whatever he/she wants as long as they have enough people that are in political power backing him/her up. Trump already been impeach that will not change regardless of what happens in the Senate.
Lawyers can disbarred for their roll in an impeachment trial as well.
As for Trump being tried criminally, that outcome means nothing as far as ever holding office again. A felon can be President if he is voted in. That js why the impeachment of Trump is more important than any criminal trial.
 

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Chief Justice will not be presiding judge this time around. The reality is yes lawyers can say anything they want as defense in Senate trial. Again it's not governed by same rules as normal criminal/civil court is. It's nothing but political trial.
This is false. They can be disbarred just the same as if was in a court of law.
 

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Chief Justice will not be presiding judge this time around. The reality is yes lawyers can say anything they want as defense in Senate trial. Again it's not governed by same rules as normal criminal/civil court is. It's nothing but political trial.
I guess you're a lawyer.
I guess all the lawyers that have spoken on just this subject are wrong.

You made the claim. Back it up with proof.
"The reality is yes lawyers can say anything they want as defense in Senate trial. Again it's not governed by same rules as normal criminal/civil court is.
 
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Bringing criminals to justice is the duty of prosecutors and a court of law.
The Senate's political process hardly seems the place to see it done.
The only statement made will be where Republican Senators stand, and I imagine most will stand by the issue of having no one to remove from office.

It can be both. Impeachment doesn't exempt from criminal trial afaik.