I'm sorry Mrs. Jones, your son Timmy failed math

[InflatableBuddha]

I think there's an important distinction to be made here. Positive reinforcement for success is good for children (and it doesn't always need to be material reinforcement), but this McDonald's sponsorship goes too far by blatantly advertising to a captive audience.

It is fine to reward a child with a pizza, or McDonald's burger for a job well done if you choose; it is quite another to have McDonald's branding force-fed to children through official school documents.

This opens up a whole Pandora's box regarding companies, products and branding that appear to be condoned by the school board.

It is not fair to bombard impressionable children with advertising in an environment they are required by law to attend. Advertising in magazines, billboards, television, or the internet is different. No one is forcing you to consume those ads - you can if you choose, but you have free will to turn the page, look away, change the channel, or go to a different website. However, you are forced to read your report card, and thus you have no choice but to see these McDonald's ads.

This is a step beyond simple school advertising. At least with vending machines and banners in schools, you do not have to buy the products or constantly view the banners if you don't want to.

Fucking disgusting IMO.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: waggy
I have no problem with this. my daughter gets a free pizza every month for reading the book list.

Also growing up i got paid for grades. something like $50 for each A, $25 for a B nothing for a C have to pay 25 for a D and $50 for a F.

IF i got straight A's i got $200

if i got straight A's all 4 years i got a new car (wich i did not get heh)

Holy hell, and you're an old man! I got $20 for straight As!

But wait... after you paid them for the Ds and Fs, how much did you usually end up with? I usually got straight As, so my parents didn't need to reward me much. If my brother had ever gotten straight As in one quarter, that probably would have been worthy of a car. And he still wouldn't have done it, even though he was capable of it.

ppft im not old.


yeah a few times i had to pay them heh (also got in lots of trouble at home).

but my soph-sr yr i nearly had straight A's. if i wouldnt have screwed up my freshman (though it didn't help i was hit by a car and missed a LOT of class's) year i would have got a car! but he still did help me get a nice used one for a graduation gift (co-signed for a mustang heh)


when i went off to college he said he wouldnt do it anymore. though evertime i sent in my grades i got a check not to long after heh. wich was good i needed the money. there was not much to do heh


edit: i should mention half of whater i got went into my savings.

 

[dartworth]

now I'm hungry...

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: shinerburke
The parents rewarding the kid is one thing. The school system doing it is quite another. The school system is there to teach, not to act as a nanny or parental replacement.

Wait, what?

Schools shouldn't reward kids for good behavior? Does the same apply to punishing bad behavior? That's a mind bottling concept to me.

'Splain.

Rewarding or punishing my kids is my responsibilty, not the school's.

wrong, to maintain a learning atmosphere the school has the power to hand out rewards and discipline.

I don't get you at all man, but i can tell you have some serious control issues

Question for you, do you peel off gold stars from your kids paper because the teacher put them on for a good job? will protest because a teacher sent your kid to the principals office because of disruptive behavior in class?

like it or not the school has the right to reward and discipline your child.

a thought just occurred to me, do you home school your kids?

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha
I think there's an important distinction to be made here. Positive reinforcement for success is good for children (and it doesn't always need to be material reinforcement), but this McDonald's sponsorship goes too far by blatantly advertising to a captive audience.

It is fine to reward a child with a pizza, or McDonald's burger for a job well done if you choose; it is quite another to have McDonald's branding force-fed to children through official school documents.

This opens up a whole Pandora's box regarding companies, products and branding that appear to be condoned by the school board.

It is not fair to bombard impressionable children with advertising in an environment they are required by law to attend. Advertising in magazines, billboards, television, or the internet is different. No one is forcing you to consume those ads - you can if you choose, but you have free will to turn the page, look away, change the channel, or go to a different website. However, you are forced to read your report card, and thus you have no choice but to see these McDonald's ads.

This is a step beyond simple school advertising. At least with vending machines and banners in schools, you do not have to buy the products or constantly view the banners if you don't want to.

Fucking disgusting IMO.

most of the high schools in the denver metro area have fast food in the lunch room. subway, mcducks, pizzahut and one other i cant think of right now... they wouldnt be there if the local school boards didnt approve them.

 

[Gunslinger08]

I love it when people get upset about stupid things.

 

[InflatableBuddha]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha
I think there's an important distinction to be made here. Positive reinforcement for success is good for children (and it doesn't always need to be material reinforcement), but this McDonald's sponsorship goes too far by blatantly advertising to a captive audience.

It is fine to reward a child with a pizza, or McDonald's burger for a job well done if you choose; it is quite another to have McDonald's branding force-fed to children through official school documents.

This opens up a whole Pandora's box regarding companies, products and branding that appear to be condoned by the school board.

It is not fair to bombard impressionable children with advertising in an environment they are required by law to attend. Advertising in magazines, billboards, television, or the internet is different. No one is forcing you to consume those ads - you can if you choose, but you have free will to turn the page, look away, change the channel, or go to a different website. However, you are forced to read your report card, and thus you have no choice but to see these McDonald's ads.

This is a step beyond simple school advertising. At least with vending machines and banners in schools, you do not have to buy the products or constantly view the banners if you don't want to.

Fucking disgusting IMO.

most of the high schools in the denver metro area have fast food in the lunch room. subway, mcducks, pizzahut and one other i cant think of right now... they wouldnt be there if the local school boards didnt approve them.

I have heard about this. My high school didn't have fast food chains inside; in fact many schools in the Metro Vancouver area do not, so the concept is a bit foreign to me.

However, my point is that even if branded fast food is in your high school, you still have the choice to bring your own lunch from home. You have no choice but to read your report card, even if it is full of advertising. That's what offends me.

 

[ViviTheMage]

Originally posted by: mobobuff
The school gives out reward coupons for McDonalds for receiving good grades. That's nothing new. They did it with Dairy Queen when I was in elementary school.

Yeah, I remember them doing this when I was in middle school/high school.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha
I think there's an important distinction to be made here. Positive reinforcement for success is good for children (and it doesn't always need to be material reinforcement), but this McDonald's sponsorship goes too far by blatantly advertising to a captive audience.

It is fine to reward a child with a pizza, or McDonald's burger for a job well done if you choose; it is quite another to have McDonald's branding force-fed to children through official school documents.

This opens up a whole Pandora's box regarding companies, products and branding that appear to be condoned by the school board.

It is not fair to bombard impressionable children with advertising in an environment they are required by law to attend. Advertising in magazines, billboards, television, or the internet is different. No one is forcing you to consume those ads - you can if you choose, but you have free will to turn the page, look away, change the channel, or go to a different website. However, you are forced to read your report card, and thus you have no choice but to see these McDonald's ads.

This is a step beyond simple school advertising. At least with vending machines and banners in schools, you do not have to buy the products or constantly view the banners if you don't want to.

Fucking disgusting IMO.

most of the high schools in the denver metro area have fast food in the lunch room. subway, mcducks, pizzahut and one other i cant think of right now... they wouldnt be there if the local school boards didnt approve them.

I have heard about this. My high school didn't have fast food chains inside; in fact many schools in the Metro Vancouver area do not, so the concept is a bit foreign to me.

However, my point is that even if branded fast food is in your high school, you still have the choice to bring your own lunch from home. You have no choice but to read your report card, even if it is full of advertising. That's what offends me.

My high school had Church's Chicken, Pizza Hut, Pizza Pro, McDonald's, and Arby's. Each place had a day of the week.

 

[InflatableBuddha]

@ citrix, nkgreen

We've already established that many schools have fast food chains in their cafeterias. My point (which I already mentioned in my two previous posts) is about choice in brand consumption.

Food - choose to buy from a fast food outlet in your school, or choose to bring lunch from home.

Report card - no choice. You are required to go to school and you are required to receive a report card. The report card the school gives you contains advertising. You cannot avoid this if you wanted to. IMO, this is unacceptable.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha
@ citrix, nkgreen

We've already established that many schools have fast food chains in their cafeterias. My point (which I already mentioned in my two previous posts) is about choice in brand consumption.

Food - choose to buy from a fast food outlet in your school, or choose to bring lunch from home.

Report card - no choice. You are required to go to school and you are required to receive a report card. The report card the school gives you contains advertising. You cannot avoid this if you wanted to. IMO, this is unacceptable.

but you have a choice to purchase whatever it is.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: waggy
I have no problem with this. my daughter gets a free pizza every month for reading the book list.

Also growing up i got paid for grades. something like $50 for each A, $25 for a B nothing for a C have to pay 25 for a D and $50 for a F.

IF i got straight A's i got $200

if i got straight A's all 4 years i got a new car (wich i did not get heh)

Holy hell, and you're an old man! I got $20 for straight As!

But wait... after you paid them for the Ds and Fs, how much did you usually end up with? I usually got straight As, so my parents didn't need to reward me much. If my brother had ever gotten straight As in one quarter, that probably would have been worthy of a car. And he still wouldn't have done it, even though he was capable of it.

My parents stopped paying me ($5 for straight A's) after 1st grade. They owe me a lot of back payments for the other 11 years.

 

[InflatableBuddha]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha
@ citrix, nkgreen

We've already established that many schools have fast food chains in their cafeterias. My point (which I already mentioned in my two previous posts) is about choice in brand consumption.

Food - choose to buy from a fast food outlet in your school, or choose to bring lunch from home.

Report card - no choice. You are required to go to school and you are required to receive a report card. The report card the school gives you contains advertising. You cannot avoid this if you wanted to. IMO, this is unacceptable.

but you have a choice to purchase whatever it is.

*sigh*...yes, you can choose from multiple fast food chains, or you can choose none of them (i.e. bring lunch from home). That is fine; you can be a particpant in the advertising if you want, or you can opt out.

In the school district mentioned in the article, you cannot choose whether or not your report card contains advertising. That is forced advertising to a captive audience. There is no escape. This is unfair.

:roll: I can't make it any simpler than this.

 

[ColdFusion718]

Back in the day, they let us run around during recess so eating junk food was not a problem.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha
@ citrix, nkgreen

We've already established that many schools have fast food chains in their cafeterias. My point (which I already mentioned in my two previous posts) is about choice in brand consumption.

Food - choose to buy from a fast food outlet in your school, or choose to bring lunch from home.

Report card - no choice. You are required to go to school and you are required to receive a report card. The report card the school gives you contains advertising. You cannot avoid this if you wanted to. IMO, this is unacceptable.

but you have a choice to purchase whatever it is.

*sigh*...yes, you can choose from multiple fast food chains, or you can choose none of them (i.e. bring lunch from home). That is fine; you can be a particpant in the advertising if you want, or you can opt out.

In the school district mentioned in the article, you cannot choose whether or not your report card contains advertising. That is forced advertising to a captive audience. There is no escape. This is unfair.

:roll: I can't make it any simpler than this.

and we can't make it any simpler. you don't have to fall victim of the advertising. well maybe you do but most of us with 2 brain cells do not.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha
In the school district mentioned in the article, you cannot choose whether or not your report card contains advertising. That is forced advertising to a captive audience. There is no escape. This is unfair.

:roll: I can't make it any simpler than this.

Why is it unfair? Why is this advertising bad?

The kids can want all they want, it doesn't mean the parents have to cave and buy/get them whatever the report card is advertising.

So the report cards have ads and the school district gets a few bucks extra. What's the big deal?

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: shinerburke
The parents rewarding the kid is one thing. The school system doing it is quite another. The school system is there to teach, not to act as a nanny or parental replacement.

Wait, what?

Schools shouldn't reward kids for good behavior? Does the same apply to punishing bad behavior? That's a mind bottling concept to me.

'Splain.

Rewarding or punishing my kids is my responsibilty, not the school's.

Your parents must have really done a number on you. I feel sorry for your children.

 

[TuxDave]

Meh... I got a free game of bowling for every A that I got on my report card. Needless to say I never paid for bowling....

 

[InflatableBuddha]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha
In the school district mentioned in the article, you cannot choose whether or not your report card contains advertising. That is forced advertising to a captive audience. There is no escape. This is unfair.

:roll: I can't make it any simpler than this.

Why is it unfair? Why is this advertising bad?

The kids can want all they want, it doesn't mean the parents have to cave and buy/get them whatever the report card is advertising.

So the report cards have ads and the school district gets a few bucks extra. What's the big deal?

Originally posted by: waggy

and we can't make it any simpler. you don't have to fall victim of the advertising. well maybe you do but most of us with 2 brain cells do not.

The big deal is that advertising is a way of corporations buying up public space. Once they have partial or full ownership of a space, they are free to exert their own agenda. It cannibalizes free speech.

An example of this is was the branding of college sports teams by Nike and other athletic companies, starting in the 90s. That branding provides equipment and funding for the schools - that's good. However, when some students started protesting on campus about the sweatshop practices of Nike and similar manufacturers, their protests were shut down, and the students forcibly removed. Free speech was quashed.

What about that student who wore a Pepsi shirt to his school on Coke day as a statement against the advertising? He was told to remove the shirt, and when he refused, he was expelled for the day. Free speech was quashed.

You're correct; this is not about falling victim to advertising - of course the parents can refuse to give in to their children's demands. This is about a loss of rights - rights being purchased by corporations.

A banner on a school wall or a fast food outlet in a school wall is one thing. (Only 20-25 years ago, people objected to advertising along the boards in hockey arenas - now it is commonplace.) But when advertising crosses over into official documents and space, that is unacceptable. Imagine these scenarios:

An Intel or Microsoft logo on an official university degree
A DeBeers or Viagra logo on an official marriage license
A Honda or GM logo on an official driver's license
Corporate logos plastered all over the inside of the Supreme Court and Congress

I would be astounded if anyone was ok with any of these situations. A McDonald's logo on a report card is admittedly less extreme advertising, but it is within the same sphere. And I don't agree with it.

If you want to fall victim to a gradual loss of free speech, that is your choice. But if I had a child attending that school, I would be vigorously protesting this.

 

[LongCoolMother]

I see no problem with this either. I was rewarded for performing well in school in my younger days as well. I don't know if I would say that was the CAUSE for my success, but it certainly made doing well all the more rewarding. It certainly didn't instill a sense of entitlement in me. After going entering high school, I busted my @$$ off, even though there wasn't any concrete "prize" waiting for me at the end of the journey. That work ethic sticks with me today.

 

[Sahakiel]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: shinerburke
The parents rewarding the kid is one thing. The school system doing it is quite another. The school system is there to teach, not to act as a nanny or parental replacement.

Wait, what?

Schools shouldn't reward kids for good behavior? Does the same apply to punishing bad behavior? That's a mind bottling concept to me.

'Splain.

Rewarding or punishing my kids is my responsibilty, not the school's.

The way I see it, your way of thinking is too extreme.
Without a system of rewards and punishments, children are then allowed free reign to do as they please without fear of or desire for the consequences, therefore allowing kids to run amok at school and be disruptive. Bullies run free because the school no longer has the right to punish them.
Unless you want every single student to have a parent accompany them all day to enforce behavior, then I suggest you rethink the school's role in raising children. The consequences of such an action reach further than initially thought.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Sahakiel

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: shinerburke
The parents rewarding the kid is one thing. The school system doing it is quite another. The school system is there to teach, not to act as a nanny or parental replacement.

Wait, what?

Schools shouldn't reward kids for good behavior? Does the same apply to punishing bad behavior? That's a mind bottling concept to me.

'Splain.

Rewarding or punishing my kids is my responsibilty, not the school's.

The way I see it, your way of thinking is too extreme.
Without a system of rewards and punishments, children are then allowed free reign to do as they please without fear of or desire for the consequences, therefore allowing kids to run amok at school and be disruptive. Bullies run free because the school no longer has the right to punish them.
Unless you want every single student to have a parent accompany them all day to enforce behavior, then I suggest you rethink the school's role in raising children. The consequences of such an action reach further than initially thought.

If the kids are being disruptive they can be removed from class, lunch, recess, etc.... However actual punishment should be left up to the parents.

Control issues? Not at all. I just don't believe the school should be in the business of raising my kids. They are there to learn. Like I said, if they are disruptive then remove them from class and call me or my wife.

Someone else asked if my kids are home schooled. They are not. They go to a private school that places more value on actually teaching the kids rather than making sure they have high self esteem or any other of that wrong minded liberal clap trap that schools seem to think they need to be doing these days in place of actually teaching.

Raising my kids to have self esteem, morals, etc...is the responsibility of my wife and I as parents, not the school.

 

[manlymatt83]

Originally posted by: ironwing
We're screwed.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: sdifox
A literate fatass is better than a skinny ignoramus.

debatable. Medical costs may reduce their contribution to society below that of the skinny dude.

Besides, McDonalds is hardly "brain food", especially not for growing children. It's not going to kill you to eat a burger every so often, but developing a burger habit isn't a great idea.

 

[0roo0roo]

big deal

how is this good for mcdonalds?
most kids generally have negative associations with report cards.
probably even some of the straight a folks who consider it their slave driver.
mcdonalds + negative association ftw!