Illegals suing for instate tuition

[xj0hnx]

This is their country. How about we deport those insane Americans (e.g., Tea Party crazies) who actively wish for the destruction of the government and pray for the end of times? Those are people who are turning our country into a shit hole.

No, it isn't "their country" if it were they wouldn't have had to come here illegally. Moron.

 

[Angry Irishman]

I don't care what some developing country does. If I went there I would not want to be Mexican. These people are undocumented Americans and want to be documented Americans.

And another name for undocumented Americans would be..........??????????

Illegal alien

 

[Angry Irishman]

This is their country. How about we deport those insane Americans (e.g., Tea Party crazies) who actively wish for the destruction of the government and pray for the end of times? Those are people who are turning our country into a shit hole.

Please explain specifically how this is "their" country? Please do......

 

[shortylickens]

The text clearly includes a "born" category, so those who are not naturally American but born here cannot get thrown out.

Citizenship comes through (1) birth or (2) through a natural state that exists outside of paperwork, queues, and the like.

Respect the Constitution.

Ok, you are clearly not using logic here, so I wont continue with you.

You were talking about some fluffy "state of mind" nonsense and then telling me to respect the text.

You are the perfect modern liberal. Evidence is only evidence when it suits you, otherwise its bullshit.

 

[unokitty]

Please explain specifically how this is "their" country? Please do......

One metric that you might use is the percentage of Hispanic population. Taking four year old data from the census, and you get:

Consider that this map is based on four year old census data and that the southern border is relatively porous then the question becomes if the majority of the people in a geographical area are from Mexico, what rights do the minority (US citizens) have to take action against the majority from Mexico?

Note that, for now, this is just a rhetorical question. Though, the trends are clear.

Note also that illegal immigration of Anglos from the US was a major factor in the Texas War for Independence (1835-1836).

Another rhetorical question, if a nation is negligent in enforcing it's border laws, does it forfeit the right to enforce those laws at a later time?

Understand, I am not arguing one side or the other. But I don't think that the current situation can be maintained over the long term...

Regarding in-state tuition, if a child meets the school's requirements for in-state tuition, I wouldn't have any issues with that ...

Uno

 

[NoStateofMind]

And another name for undocumented Americans would be..........??????????

Free people?

 

[CanOWorms]

Ok, you are clearly not using logic here, so I wont continue with you.

You were talking about some fluffy "state of mind" nonsense and then telling me to respect the text.

You are the perfect modern liberal. Evidence is only evidence when it suits you, otherwise its bullshit.

I'm the one suggesting sticking to the pure text of the Constitution, which is a very conservative position. You're the one trying to fit in an encyclopedia within the text.

The text clearly states "naturalized." Birth is the physical act and naturalized is the natural process to become an American. It's in tune with nature and natural processes.

 

[BoomerD]

I'm the one suggesting sticking to the pure text of the Constitution, which is a very conservative position. You're the one trying to fit in an encyclopedia within the text.

The text clearly states "naturalized." Birth is the physical act and naturalized is the natural process to become an American. It's in tune with nature and natural processes.

Dude...your world must be groovy...full of black light posters and free love. :hippie:

ALL persons who come to this country by other than legal means (or who came here legally and overstayed their visas) should be IMMEDIATELY deported and any/all possessions forfeited to help defray the costs of deportation as well as the "social costs" of them being here illegally. (education, medical costs, plus things like police/fire protection, roadways, etc...that are paid for by citizens and legal immigrant taxpayers)

The 14th amendment should be re-written to eliminate the anchor baby provision that allows illegal immigrants to sneak across the border, drop a baby on US soil which becomes an instant US citizen.

Box them up and ship them home...whether it's a boxcar or pine box is up to them.

 

[Angry Irishman]

Free people?

If legal....sure

 

[Svnla]

I'm the one suggesting sticking to the pure text of the Constitution, which is a very conservative position. You're the one trying to fit in an encyclopedia within the text.

The text clearly states "naturalized." Birth is the physical act and naturalized is the natural process to become an American. It's in tune with nature and natural processes.

Naturalized is the process for LEGAL immigrants, you know, people that come here LEGALLY with LEGAL paperwork and all and follow ALL the immigration rule/law.

Can you point out which section of the US Constitution that allows ILLEGAL immigrants to be naturalized? I did not see it anywhere.

 

[compuwiz1]

Naturalized is the process for LEGAL immigrants, you know, people that come here LEGALLY with LEGAL paperwork and all and follow ALL the immigration rule/law.

Can you point out which section of the US Constitution that allows ILLEGAL immigrants to be naturalized? I did not see it anywhere.

Can't do it.......not capable of rational thought, nor provides facts to back up his claims. He's just interpreting things to fit his distorted picture, ie., making shit up.

 

[CanOWorms]

Dude...your world must be groovy...full of black light posters and free love. :hippie:

ALL persons who come to this country by other than legal means (or who came here legally and overstayed their visas) should be IMMEDIATELY deported and any/all possessions forfeited to help defray the costs of deportation as well as the "social costs" of them being here illegally. (education, medical costs, plus things like police/fire protection, roadways, etc...that are paid for by citizens and legal immigrant taxpayers)

The 14th amendment should be re-written to eliminate the anchor baby provision that allows illegal immigrants to sneak across the border, drop a baby on US soil which becomes an instant US citizen.

Box them up and ship them home...whether it's a boxcar or pine box is up to them.

Unfortunately, the law is being incorrectly applied against the text of the Constitution.

The 14th Amendment may need to be rewritten, and if so, perhaps it should also include a provision to eliminate the non-American in the heart problem. I wouldn't be surprised if George Washington's descendants won't count as citizens.

 

[CanOWorms]

Naturalized is the process for LEGAL immigrants, you know, people that come here LEGALLY with LEGAL paperwork and all and follow ALL the immigration rule/law.

Can you point out which section of the US Constitution that allows ILLEGAL immigrants to be naturalized? I did not see it anywhere.

As it's being applied right now, yes. But in the context of the Constitution it's clearly about another natural process, a mental birth as opposed to a physical birth.

The 14th Amendment clearly allows illegal immigrants to be naturalized.

You can choose to be an judicial activist if you wish though.

 

[techofalltrades]

 

[CanOWorms]

Can't do it.......not capable of rational thought, nor provides facts to back up his claims. He's just interpreting things to fit his distorted picture, ie., making shit up.

We're both interpreting things in the Constitution. The difference is that I'm interpreting the strict text without bringing in all this extrinsic evidence. You guys are interpreting it in a very expansive way by bringing up centuries of federal laws outside of the Constitution, how various administrations have applied it, etc.

You are taking a very liberal position with your activism here.

 

[compuwiz1]

We also have legal burritos that taste as good as the illegal ones.

 

[Sunburn74]

Personally I don't care. As long as they are resident's of the state and can show proof of taxes or proof of no police record, I don't care. These are people who are obviously trying to better themselves and their families and trying to end the vicious cycles of poverty and ineducation that drive individuals to crime. Some of these individuals will turn out to be brilliant in their fields and lead to major change, change that may benefit us all. If you haven't realized, most of the innovation and progress we see in the world comes from the work of a few geniuses, upon whose work there is steady growth, but without them no growth would ever have been possible; the value of finding one of those guys and training them up is immeasurable (imagine if einstein never was allowed in school in germany where would physics be today?) I think I'd take the risk on that.

Besides these guys are likely to marry some nice hot, white big boobed US college student (threw that in just to piss off the racists on this forum) they meet there and become citizens anyway.

 

[techofalltrades]

We also have legal burritos that taste as good as the illegal ones.

dude.. you haven't had a good burrito until you've been deep in the barrio ... the good places dont even speak english

 

[IGBT]

Personally I don't care. As long as they are resident's of the state and can show proof of taxes or proof of no police record, I don't care. These are people who are obviously trying to better themselves and their families and trying to end the vicious cycles of poverty and ineducation that drive individuals to crime. Some of these individuals will turn out to be brilliant in their fields and lead to major change, change that may benefit us all. I think I'd take the risk on that.

Besdies these guys are likely to marry some nice (hot, white; threw that in just to piss off the racists on this forum) US college student they meet there and become citizens anyway.

...all they have to do is vote for the democrats numerous times in each election. That's the plan.

 

[compuwiz1]

dude.. you haven't had a good burrito until you've been deep in the barrio ... the good places dont even speak english

Dude! I eat tacos and tortas from the food trucks on the east side. (our barrio) We are now a safe haven. I used to go there back in the 80's and we had all these green border patrol cars driving around. It was hillarious when they would pull into a parking lot where the taco trucks were and you'd see people just go scrambling in every direction.....like ants.

 

[techofalltrades]

Dude! I eat tacos and tortas from the food trucks on the east side.

truck??? fake illegals.

gotta find the real illegals...
they all have a trailer.

 

[nehalem256]

One metric that you might use is the percentage of Hispanic population. Taking four year old data from the census, and you get:

Consider that this map is based on four year old census data and that the southern border is relatively porous then the question becomes if the majority of the people in a geographical area are from Mexico, what rights do the minority (US citizens) have to take action against the majority from Mexico?

So you are claiming hispanics cannot be American?

Regarding in-state tuition, if a child meets the school's requirements for in-state tuition, I wouldn't have any issues with that ...

Uno

What is the point in providing a subsidized college education to a student that cannot productively use said education for employment?

 

[Svnla]

As it's being applied right now, yes. But in the context of the Constitution it's clearly about another natural process, a mental birth as opposed to a physical birth.

The 14th Amendment clearly allows illegal immigrants to be naturalized.

You can choose to be an judicial activist if you wish though.

Are you serious? Please cite the text from the 14th Amendment to support your statement (especially the word "clearly") in which I bolded.

I am going to repeat what I said in another thread:

If we are going to excuse Hispanics/Latinos from immigration law, why bother to have it? Why not just let everyone with a excuse or two to stay? I am sure rich Asians such as the Chinese would love to come here on visitor visa and then stay because they were so "oppressed and being mistreat" in China.

 

[techofalltrades]

Are you serious? Please cite the text from the 14th Amendment to support your statement (especially the word "clearly") in which I bolded.

Technically, the 14th amendment only says:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Naturalization is the process of admitting a foreigner to the citizenship of a country.

The government can say "any foreginer currently in the USA is a naturalized citizen" .... and poof... instant citizenship.

There is nothing in the 14th amendment that says there has to be a process for naturalization.


That is "sorta" in Article I, section 8, clause 4 of the United States Constitution... enumerated powers of congress... To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization

 

[shortylickens]

Theres nothing in the entire constitution and amendments that covers every conceivable case.

We have plenty of other laws besides the constitution, or did you guys sleep thru junior high as well as senior high?