Illegals suing for instate tuition

[techofalltrades]

We have plenty of other laws besides the constitution

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land;




plenty of other laws don't matter. the constitution is above them all

 

[CanOWorms]

Are you serious? Please cite the text from the 14th Amendment to support your statement (especially the word "clearly") in which I bolded.

I am going to repeat what I said in another thread:

Uh, the "naturalized" part.

Even under the current improper application of the laws, illegal immigrants can be naturalized.

 

[CanOWorms]

Theres nothing in the entire constitution and amendments that covers every conceivable case.

We have plenty of other laws besides the constitution, or did you guys sleep thru junior high as well as senior high?

Respect the Constitution. Those laws come from the Constitution, which is supreme.

 

[davmat787]

I don't care what some developing country does. If I went there I would not want to be Mexican. These people are undocumented Americans and want to be documented Americans.

Bullshit. If they wanted to be documented and legal Americans, they would have gone through the legal channels to become documented and legal citizens. And I would welcome them with open arms if they had done so.

What is so hard about this to understand? I bet you are one of those assholes that cuts in line at Disneyland and claim to have an "undocumented disability".

 

[CanOWorms]

Bullshit. If they wanted to be documented and legal Americans, they would have gone through the legal channels to become documented and legal citizens. And I would welcome them with open arms if they had done so.

What is so hard about this to understand? I bet you are one of those assholes that cuts in line at Disneyland and claim to have an "undocumented disability".

They were brought here as children by their parents. You want an infant to go through legal channels to become documented?

They are Americans in everything but passport. Imagine your parents telling you "Son, you're actually not born in America. You're French." What would you do? Immediately move to France, a country where you don't know anyone, don't know the language, don't know the culture, etc. and then go through the proper legal channels?

These people are dealing with the situation in a very American way. They're going through the legal process by challenging this in court. Fleeing to another country is un-American.

 

[Zaap]

One metric that you might use is the percentage of Hispanic population. Taking four year old data from the census, and you get:

The logic of your post astounds me, if you're actually serious.

First off, 'Hispanic' doesn't begin to just mean "Mexican" let alone 'illegal alien" or any of the other narrow criteria you're seeking to use it as. Look the term up. It's quite broad actually. I know a number of Hispanics from the Philippines. And yes, here legally.

Tallying up whatever "percentage of Hispanic population" nonsense is painting with a ridiculously large brush that has little to do with this entire subject other than the most base-level stereotyping.

Consider that this map is based on four year old census data and that the southern border is relatively porous then the question becomes if the majority of the people in a geographical area are from Mexico, what rights do the minority (US citizens) have to take action against the majority from Mexico?

Again, astonishingly terrible "logic". Are you actually serious? Once more, Hispanics are not just Mexicans, and not synonymous with 'illegal aliens' and so don't all belong to some make-believe non-citizen majority against the citizen 'minority' that you're imagining from grossly misinterpreting a census map.

Even if one were to accept your premise that all of these people were in lock step as some majority of non-citzen "Mexicans" who've crossed the border to outnumber 300,000,000 Americans- that situation STILL wouldn't trump actual rule of law. We also don't just have 'majority rules' and toss everything else out either. (All of this is of course accepting your silly premise, which is so over-simplified it's a joke.)

I question what's wrong with people that they believe "Hispanics" are incapable of co-existing in a society with laws? It's just more of that "they're inferior!" attitude that people have that don't even realize that's what they're expressing. You HAVE to believe in the inherent inferiority of people if you think that they're incapable co-existing with rule of law. It's just that simple.

This as no different than me going to France and claiming I'm French, so give me everything I want. The French have every expectation of me to be able to understand that they have existing laws, and that I must obey them. I'm capable of it, and everyone knows it, so there's no excuse that I don't know any better, therefore their actual laws trump whatever I wish to be just because I show up and demand it. Therefore: I'd get told to take a hike out of THEIR country.

Likewise, an illegal from Mexico is no different: a human being fully capable of responsibility, and of understanding the legal structure of the US or any other country. There is no excuse that flies (the belief held by leftists of their inherent inferiority notwithstanding) and so they too get told: take a hike, we have laws, you're fully capable of understanding and obeying them.

 

[xj0hnx]

dude.. you haven't had a good burrito until you've been deep in the barrio ... the good places dont even speak english

Welcome to my reality. I live in a city that mostly Hispanic, eat the best Mexican food on the planet, and am surrounded by Mexicans that hate illegals, and are pissed at them for degrading the quality of life they work so hard for.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

am surrounded by Mexicans that hate illegals, and are pissed at them for degrading the quality of life they work so hard for.

All the Hispanics (mostly of Mexican descent) that live in the neighborhood when I live have the same feelings when it comes to illegal aliens and many do not support amnesty for illegals in the country either.

 

[NoStateofMind]

If legal....sure

Please explain how one can be "legally" free.

 

[xj0hnx]

All the Hispanics (mostly of Mexican descent) that live in the neighborhood when I live have the same feelings when it comes to illegal aliens and many do not support amnesty for illegals in the country either.

Haha, yip, I've even run into some that if you refer to them as Mexican they tell you "What the fuck, do I look like I'm from Mexico? I am a Hispanic, or American, not Mexican."

 

[nehalem256]

Likewise, an illegal from Mexico is no different: a human being fully capable of responsibility, and of understanding the legal structure of the US or any other country. There is no excuse that flies (the belief held by leftists of their inherent inferiority notwithstanding) and so they too get told: take a hike, we have laws, you're fully capable of understanding and obeying them.

And liberals claim Republicans are the racists :hmm:

 

[piasabird]

If we are a nation of laws deport him.

 

[piasabird]

If someone was from a foreign country they have to submit an i-9 form and apply for a visa. They have to show their family has $5000+ in a bank account and if they are from a foreign language speaking culture they have to pass with a high enough score an english language test.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

If they pay taxes then yea.

 

[nehalem256]

I think the better question is how can an illegal alien walk into a court of LAW without being arrested and deported?

 

[qwchrbichn]

Please explain how one can be "legally" free.

By following the laws that exist everywhere else in the world which govern free movement across and within borders.

 

[TechBoyJK]

well.. when they start raping babies, then it becomes relevant...

until then, fine american men will continue to do that job

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_4c98feac-96f0-52f6-84e6-f1099b197117.html

Good logic there buddy!

 

[unokitty]

...we have laws, you're fully capable of understanding and obeying them.

LOL

Are you purposely paraphrasing General Santa Anna? You do realize that most of the Anglos that died at the Alamo, Davy Crockett, Jim Bowie, et al. were, from the Mexican Government’s perspective, illegal aliens.

Besides your US government rulers have already decided not to enforce the immigration laws. And you, like General Santa Anna are powerless to do anything else.

Unlike you, I am not attempting to force my views on anyone. As stated in my original post, my opinion is that if the children meet the school's criteria, they should be admitted. In other words, let each school decide.

You are free to continue your futile campaign of attempting to impose your views on others ...

Best of luck with that.

Uno

 

[nehalem256]

LOL

Are you purposely paraphrasing General Santa Anna? You do realize that most of the Anglos that died at the Alamo, Davy Crockett, Jim Bowie, et al. were, from the Mexican Government’s perspective, illegal aliens.

Besides your US government rulers have already decided not to enforce the immigration laws. And you, like General Santa Anna are powerless to do anything else.

Unlike you, I am not attempting to force my views on anyone. As stated in my original post, my opinion is that if the children meet the school's criteria, they should be admitted. In other words, let each school decide.

You are free to continue your futile campaign of attempting to impose your views on others ...

Best of luck with that.

Uno

The schools I presume are state universities. Such universities have rules set by the state. So in other words the schools did decide not to grant in-state rates to students not legal residents with in the state.

Seems to me that the best solution would be to say that illegal students get in-state rates, and then promptly deport them so they are no longer within the state ()

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Why not, are they leaving?

Actually, it's pretty common for immigrants to be prone to coming to the US to prosper, then leaving and going back to their home country.

I wouldn't know or anything, it's not like my girlfriend's father immigrated here and is now leaving -- Oh wait, shit, I do.

 

[unokitty]

The schools I presume are state universities. Such universities have rules set by the state. So in other words the schools did decide not to grant in-state rates to students not legal residents with in the state.

Basic Facts about In-State Tuition for Undocumented Immigrant Students

Fifteen states have laws permitting certain undocumented students who have attended and graduated from their primary and secondary schools to pay the same tuition as their classmates at public institutions of higher education. The states are California, Colorado, Connecticut, Illinois, Kansas, Maryland, Minnesota, Nebraska, New Mexico, New York, Oklahoma, Oregon, Texas, Utah, and Washington. In addition, Rhode Island’s Board of Governors for Higher Education voted unanimously to provide access to in-state tuition at the state’s public colleges and universities to certain students, regardless of their immigration status. This year, the University of Hawaii’s Board of Regents adopted a similar policy.

A majority of America’s undocumented immigrants live in these states, and several other states are considering a similar change. In many of the states that have already done so, support has been strongly bipartisan and the vote lopsided in favor of the bill. For example, in the Illinois General Assembly, the vote in the House was 112 to 4 and, in the Senate, 55 to 1.

As I've said twice before, I'm okay with letting the schools make the decision...

You are welcome to have a different opinion. You are, however, not welcome to your own facts.

Best of luck.

Uno

 

[Zaap]

blather

A person who thinks "Hispanic=illegal immigrant from Mexico" and mounts other amazingly ignorant 'arguments ' isn't to be taken seriously.

 

[nehalem256]

Basic Facts about In-State Tuition for Undocumented Immigrant Students



As I've said twice before, I'm okay with letting the schools make the decision...

You are welcome to have a different opinion. You are, however, not welcome to your own facts.

Best of luck.

Uno

And the lawsuit is not in one of those states.

Public universities follow laws set out by the state legislature. The illegal immigrants in question want to overturn Georgia law.

 

[unokitty]

And the lawsuit is not in one of those states.

Public universities follow laws set out by the state legislature. The illegal immigrants in question want to overturn Georgia law.

No one is trying to overturn Georgia Law. The issue is that the Federal Government considers the children to have 'lawful presence' and the Georgia Board of Regents doesn't.

Most of the students suing now have what’s called “lawful presence” through Pres. Obama’s 2012 Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program. The initiative, known as DACA, allows them to obtain temporary work permits and a driver’s license.

Attorney Chuck Kuck, who represents the students, says the Board of Regents policy uses that same phrase – lawful presence. And he says his clients simply want the state to follow its own rules.

No one is trying to overturn any law. They are trying to resolve a dispute where Federal Government says that the children have 'lawful presence' and the Georgia Board of Regents says that they don't...

I'm confident that the courts will work that out...


In the meantime, the 15 states with the majority of undocumented immigrants are allowing them to attend college and to pay instate tuition.

I'm okay with that. And whatever the court system decides about Georgia, I'll be okay with that as well.

Uno

 

[nehalem256]

No one is trying to overturn Georgia Law. The issue is that the Federal Government considers the children to have 'lawful presence' and the Georgia Board of Regents doesn't.



No one is trying to overturn any law. They are trying to resolve a dispute where Federal Government says that the children have 'lawful presence' and the Georgia Board of Regents says that they don't...

I'm confident that the courts will work that out...


In the meantime, the 15 states with the majority of undocumented immigrants are allowing them to attend college and to pay instate tuition.

I'm okay with that. And whatever the court system decides about Georgia, I'll be okay with that as well.

Uno

Wait wait wait. So the Georgia Board of Regents made its determination and you are okay with the courts overturning it...

Doesn't that kind of conflict with your previous statement:

Unlike you, I am not attempting to force my views on anyone. As stated in my original post, my opinion is that if the children meet the school's criteria, they should be admitted. In other words, let each school decide.

Now you seem to be saying: "Let the courts decide"