Illegal voter found in TX

[fskimospy]

I just answered his question about how many people i'm willing to disenfranchise in order to catch fraudulent voters and i replied "none" I bet you just didn't bother to read it , did you?

Good for you! I'm proud of you for proving me wrong. Looks like you no longer support voter ID laws then though, as they are basically guaranteed to disenfranchise at least some people.

Progress!

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Good for you! I'm proud of you for proving me wrong. Looks like you no longer support voter ID laws then though, as they are basically guaranteed to disenfranchise at least some people.

Progress!

I disagree, i don't agree that having to show a valid form of ID to vote disenfranchises anyone.
Not seen.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=disenfranchised

"dis·en·fran·chise
ˌdisənˈfran(t)SHīz/
verb
past tense: disenfranchised; past participle: disenfranchised

1. deprive (someone) of the right to vote.
   "the law disenfranchised some 3,000 voters on the basis of a residence qualification"
   • deprived of power; marginalized.
     "a hard core of kids who are disenfranchised and don't feel connected to the school"
   • deprive (someone) of a right or privilege.
     "a measure that would disenfranchise people from access to legal advice"

 

[fskimospy]

I disagree, i don't agree that having to show a valid form of ID to vote disenfranchises anyone.

Why?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

added to the post above: showing an ID does not deprive a potential voter his or her right to vote.

 

[fskimospy]

added to the post above: showing an ID does not deprive a potential voter his or her right to vote.

If someone is unable to procure that ID with a reasonable effort how does it not deprive a potential voter of his or her right to vote?

Do you think literacy tests disenfranchised anyone? If so, why is that different?

 

[MongGrel]

added to the post above: showing an ID does not deprive a potential voter his or her right to vote.

Somehow I had to go here.

 

[Meghan54]

Somehow I had to go here.

Good one.

I was thinking this one:

 

[imported_tajmahal]

If someone is unable to procure that ID with a reasonable effort how does it not deprive a potential voter of his or her right to vote?

Do you think literacy tests disenfranchised anyone? If so, why is that different?

Any reasonable attempt to get a valid ID, gets a valid ID. Why pretend you can't?

 

[fskimospy]

Any reasonable attempt to get a valid ID, gets a valid ID. Why pretend you can't?

Because that's factually false and you know it. For example:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...14ca9de2972_story.html?utm_term=.62caf1154b89

In his wallet, Anthony Settles carries an expired Texas identification card, his Social Security card and an old student ID from the University of Houston, where he studied math and physics decades ago. What he does not have is the one thing that he needs to vote this presidential election: a current Texas photo ID.

For Settles to get one of those, his name has to match his birth certificate — and it doesn’t. In 1964, when he was 14, his mother married and changed his last name. After Texas passed a new voter-ID law, officials told Settles he had to show them his name-change certificate from 1964 to qualify for a new identification card to vote.

So with the help of several lawyers, Settles tried to find it, searching records in courthouses in the D.C. area, where he grew up. But they could not find it. To obtain a new document changing his name to the one he has used for 51 years, Settles has to go to court, a process that would cost him more than $250 — more than he is willing to pay.

That is far more than a reasonable attempt and he still didn't have one. Since you claim that you are unwilling to disenfranchise anyone, please confirm you now oppose voter ID laws. (lol, excuses incoming!)

 

[MrPickins]

So "yes" was your answer? OK, My answer to your question is , none.

Yep, just like if you asked me if I have evidence that the sky is blue or that water is wet.

 

[agent00f]

Like I said, he will never answer. At least you can know if he does refuse to answer a simple question this stubbornly in his heart he knows what he's saying is stupid.

I believe everyone knows what buckshitters like import_taj are by now, which begs the question why they're being indulged. For a counterexample look to the relationship between me and these dipshits.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Because that's factually false and you know it. For example:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...14ca9de2972_story.html?utm_term=.62caf1154b89



That is far more than a reasonable attempt and he still didn't have one. Since you claim that you are unwilling to disenfranchise anyone, please confirm you now oppose voter ID laws. (lol, excuses incoming!)

If he has no birth certificate how can you prove he's even a citizen?

 

[Victorian Gray]

If he has no birth certificate how can you prove he's even a citizen?

Send him back to Syria!

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Send him back to Syria!

That's pretty harsh, should he be able to buy a handgun and get his CHL?

 

[agent00f]

If he has no birth certificate how can you prove he's even a citizen?

For your crowd if they're white enough.

 

[fskimospy]

If he has no birth certificate how can you prove he's even a citizen?

Nice job not reading the article.

'Lol, excuses incoming' verified. You never fail to disappoint.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Nice job not reading the article.

'Lol, excuses incoming' verified. You never fail to disappoint.

It's a damn shame he can't get a valid identification. I am obviously wrong that it is easy or reasonably easy to get one. I find that more of a failure of the State bureaucracy than i do of restrictions to vote. This one case or even a handful of cases like it don't show that it's unreasonable to require a state photo identification card, it just shows that the hoops some citizens need to acquire one are too strenuous.

 

[Jhhnn]

It's a damn shame he can't get a valid identification. I am obviously wrong that it is easy or reasonably easy to get one. I find that more of a failure of the State bureaucracy than i do of restrictions to vote. This one case or even a handful of cases like it don't show that it's unreasonable to require a state photo identification card, it just shows that the hoops some citizens need to acquire one are too strenuous.

Bullshit. You can't show enough fraud to warrant inconveniencing anybody in the slightest.

Voter ID isn't about inhibiting fraud. It's about inhibiting voting.

 

[agent00f]

It's a damn shame he can't get a valid identification. I am obviously wrong that it is easy or reasonably easy to get one. I find that more of a failure of the State bureaucracy than i do of restrictions to vote. This one case or even a handful of cases like it don't show that it's unreasonable to require a state photo identification card, it just shows that the hoops some citizens need to acquire one are too strenuous.

Let's not pretend you won't support anything that helps secure more votes for your own, or that you'll ever be the least bit honest about this.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Any reasonable attempt to get a valid ID, gets a valid ID. Why pretend you can't?

Yeah, make up shit when there are strict requirements to get a valid id in every state but how would you know, you're not even old enough to get your drivers license yet.

 

[fskimospy]

It's a damn shame he can't get a valid identification. I am obviously wrong that it is easy or reasonably easy to get one. I find that more of a failure of the State bureaucracy than i do of restrictions to vote. This one case or even a handful of cases like it don't show that it's unreasonable to require a state photo identification card, it just shows that the hoops some citizens need to acquire one are too strenuous.

You said that the number was zero, want to revise that?

 

[MrPickins]

It's a damn shame he can't get a valid identification. I am obviously wrong that it is easy or reasonably easy to get one.

Thank you.

I find that more of a failure of the State bureaucracy than i do of restrictions to vote.

While I agree with you that the red tape is a major issue, I have to join the image trend in this thread:

This one case or even a handful of cases like it don't show that it's unreasonable to require a state photo identification card, it just shows that the hoops some citizens need to acquire one are too strenuous.

The issue is that it's not a handful. The law here in Texas was going to force 600,000 people to get the necessary IDs[1], a disproportionate amount of them minorities. If only 1% have this difficult a time (and that's probably a low estimate), we're talking 6000 people. And that's just one state.

That's not even touching on the burden in wasted time and money that even the people that have an "easy" time acquiring the necessary ID will have.

At this point it should be obvious that we should have a clear and well founded need to implement these rules before we do. The people on your side of the argument have repeatedly failed to show that need.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Yeah, make up shit when there are strict requirements to get a valid id in every state but how would you know, you're not even old enough to get your drivers license yet.

Hey, I admitted I was wrong. Let's make it easier to get a valid picture identification.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

You said that the number was zero, want to revise that?

I just did. You quoted it in this post.

 

[agent00f]

Thank you.

Just a head up that people with ~0 integrity don't really change. It's not like he's going to stop demanding certain papers or do anything to make it easier to get them.