Illegal Immigration and its affects

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: cvrefugee

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: cvrefugee
People in favor of illegal-immigration should be required to live in Southern California for a year, then I'm sure they'll change their mind.

I live in San Diego, I can get to the border in 20 minutes. I'm pro-immigration. So are lots of my friends. The only really anti-immigration people I know here are the ones that live in the super redneck suburbs here.

I said illegal immigration, not legal immigration. There is a difference, you know.

I figured I was being clear. I have no problem with the situation as it exists in southern california right now... illegal immigrants and all.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: cvrefugee
People in favor of illegal-immigration should be required to live in Southern California for a year, then I'm sure they'll change their mind.

I live in San Diego, I can get to the border in 20 minutes. I'm pro-immigration. So are lots of my friends. The only really anti-immigration people I know here are the ones that live in the super redneck suburbs here.

LOL, I think your the redneck if you can't see through this scam.

The worse things get in Mexico, the more illegals come to the US. They work cheap (and hard) which weakens US labor's ability to demand decent cost-of-living wage increases and therefore makes the legal workers standard-of-living worse. If this contines on unabated it's only a matter of time until things are as bad here as they are in Mexico.

?! I don't think you know what a redneck is. Thanks for playing though.

Long story short here, if you are losing your job to an illegal immigrant... your job SUCKS. Go get some skills and get a new one... you will thank yourself later. The illegal immigrants are not taking our high paying skilled labor jobs.

If you really want to worry about that sort of thing, you should worry about India and Chinese workers taking your jobs, as they DO have qualifications. As long as business is globalized, and labor is not however... we will continue to lose jobs to those countries that will accept lower pay.

We don't lose jobs to other countries because of our "skill levels", we lose them because of currency exchange rates. Unless or until labor is willing to work for $1/hr companies will move jobs to the cheap labor. Hell, even Mexico is losing jobs to China because the labor is so cheaper there.

Another thing, take the hotel wokers for example. Look at all the illegals in that line of work. By there very nature, those jobs CAN"T be sent abroad and if we sent the 25 million illegals who are doing those kinds of jobs packing, it would be interesting to see what those types of jobs would have to pay to attract workers.

No, I for one don't think that cheap hotels rooms and 99 cent burgers aren't a good trade for letting literally millions of illegals into this country.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
We don't lose jobs to other countries because of our "skill levels", we lose them because of currency exchange rates. Unless or until labor is willing to work for $1/hr companies will move jobs to the cheap labor. Hell, even Mexico is losing jobs to China because the labor is so cheaper there.

Another thing, take the hotel wokers for example. Look at all the illegals in that line of work. By there very nature, those jobs CAN"T be sent abroad and if we sent the 25 million illegals who are doing those kinds of jobs packing, it would be interesting to see what those types of jobs would have to pay to attract workers.

No, I for one don't think that cheap hotels rooms and 99 cent burgers aren't a good trade for letting literally millions of illegals into this country.

No, that is not correct. Currency exchange rates have nothing to do with it. (take Japan for example.. the yen is worth way less then the dollar, you don't see tons of jobs going there right?) It has everything to do with "skill levels" and standard of living. A guy in India will do the same job as a guy here, but for a third the price... that's why they go there.

My point about illegal immigrants from Mexico was that while there are large numbers of Indians/etc. with advanced degrees and qualifications that are willing to work for peanuts, your average illegal immigrant from Mexico does not have these things. If you're an electrical engineer, some guy from down south is not climbing over a border fence to come design that circuit you've been working on more cheaply; he's coming to clean the bathroom down the hall. Therefore if you have a skilled labor position, you have little to fear from illegal immigration in terms of job security. You have far more to fear from outsourcing.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
We don't lose jobs to other countries because of our "skill levels", we lose them because of currency exchange rates. Unless or until labor is willing to work for $1/hr companies will move jobs to the cheap labor. Hell, even Mexico is losing jobs to China because the labor is so cheaper there.

Another thing, take the hotel wokers for example. Look at all the illegals in that line of work. By there very nature, those jobs CAN"T be sent abroad and if we sent the 25 million illegals who are doing those kinds of jobs packing, it would be interesting to see what those types of jobs would have to pay to attract workers.

No, I for one don't think that cheap hotels rooms and 99 cent burgers aren't a good trade for letting literally millions of illegals into this country.

No, that is not correct. Currency exchange rates have nothing to do with it. (take Japan for example.. the yen is worth way less then the dollar, you don't see tons of jobs going there right?) It has everything to do with "skill levels" and standard of living. A guy in India will do the same job as a guy here, but for a third the price... that's why they go there.

My point about illegal immigrants from Mexico was that while there are large numbers of Indians/etc. with advanced degrees and qualifications that are willing to work for peanuts, your average illegal immigrant from Mexico does not have these things. If you're an electrical engineer, some guy from down south is not climbing over a border fence to come design that circuit you've been working on more cheaply; he's coming to clean the bathroom down the hall. Therefore if you have a skilled labor position, you have little to fear from illegal immigration in terms of job security. You have far more to fear from outsourcing.

A person in the US can't live on a third of what he is making now, but in India that amount of money might be a dang good income. It's not a level playing field for US labor and the reason is the currency exchange rates work to labors disadvantage.

I personally thing we should be letting in as many engineerts, doctors, etc as want to come here rather then just letting in people who's only assest is they are healthy enough to cross the boarder and are willing to work cheap.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: Citrix

#2: BS, if thats the case why do i see spanish in the grocery store isles, on my government forms, NFL commercials. pesos accepted at pizza joints. city jobs that if you arent bi-lingual you cant apply. assimiliation isnt happening because it doesnt have to. an illegal has everything he needs to live in the US without having to learn english. back during the days of Ellis Island sure you saw little pockets of homeland culture, but you can not compare that to the mexican influx. dude its not just isolated along the border, its nation wide. no country has ever lasted long once its culture and language was divided, and that is exactly what is happening now.

Your brain would surely explode if you lived in Canada. How long you figure us Canucks got before the end

what a mess. and how many times has quebec tried to form it own country?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: Citrix

#2: BS, if thats the case why do i see spanish in the grocery store isles, on my government forms, NFL commercials. pesos accepted at pizza joints. city jobs that if you arent bi-lingual you cant apply. assimiliation isnt happening because it doesnt have to. an illegal has everything he needs to live in the US without having to learn english. back during the days of Ellis Island sure you saw little pockets of homeland culture, but you can not compare that to the mexican influx. dude its not just isolated along the border, its nation wide. no country has ever lasted long once its culture and language was divided, and that is exactly what is happening now.

Your brain would surely explode if you lived in Canada. How long you figure us Canucks got before the end

what a mess. and how many times has quebec tried to form it own country?

And make French the official language too as I recall?

 

[dmcowen674]

E-mail going around:

CHEAP LABOR?

Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?

Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage

Consumers don't want expensive produce

Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs

But the bottom line is cheap labor.

The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth, a farce, a lie...an oxymoron.

There is no such thing as "cheap labor."

Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children.

He takes a job for $5.00 or $6.00/hour.

At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.

He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent

He qualifies for food stamps

He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care .

His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.

He requires bilingual teachers and books .

He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.

If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI.

Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare.

All of this is at the taxpayer's expense.

He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance.

Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.

He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits.

Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after paying their bills and his.

The American taxpayer's also pay for increased crime, graffiti and trash clean up.

Cheap labor?

YEAH RIGHT!

Wake up people!

America truly is the land of milk and honey, if you are illegal.