Originally posted by: Shortass
Originally posted by: ccbadd
You are truly an idiot. My vote, and yours, is the foundation of this country and I do so legally. The union of American States is one that I whole heartedly support. You equating my vote to union collectivism is asinine. I bet you are one of those "Citizens of the World" with Obama, right. By the way, I have no problem with legal immigrants who fully support themselves unlike the illegals who work for cheap and mooch off our social services. This allows dishonest companies to exploit cheap labor to avoid the paying for benefits to honest employees. Your dumb ass positions is one that allows this exploitation to flourish!
Wait, so let me get this straight. You're mad at people who are here illegally, who can't benefit from the majority of our social services, can't compete on the open market for jobs, and are forced to work the jobs that most Americans aren't willing to do because some companies who are criminally unethical and exploitative are willing to hire them? You seem to be confusing the chicken with the egg.
If nobody would hire illegal immigrants, set them up with decrepit housing and pay them under the table/educate them in how to avoid the law while simultaneously holding that power of authority over their heads to exploit them with ridiculous wages and long hours - there wouldn't be the problem we face today. If we cracked down on exploitative businesses they wouldn't have jobs and would be forced back over the borders. The same factories would likely go out of business or be forced to go overseas there regulation is more lax- they're clearly uncompetitive under normal market conditions.
Empathy, you should try it sometimes. We've created a business environment that allows for the exploitation of foreign migrant workers and you want to punish the exploited. If I had to choose between drug-riddled Mexico and under-the-table US factory work I'd choose the one that best supported my family.
Man this is ignorant,...
Living in a border state (Arizona), I see this first hand,...
Illegals do benefit from most social services, and on average use them more,... food stamps, state paid healthcare, education,etc,... they also burden the infrastructure, police, fire, teachers, roads, etc without paying their fair share for these services. They increase crime, drive uninsured leaving citizens left holding the bad in accidents, steal identities,..(arizona has ranked #1 per capita in identity theft for the last decade,.. california, new mexico, nevada and texas all right there too), identity theft costs the average victim thousands.
Americans are willing to do these jobs,.. that is a fallacy,... many have lost jobs because of illegals, happens all the time, illegals put downward pressure on wages,...
Most goods and services wouldn't cost any more than now. The few crops that wouldn't be profitable would be switched to something more profitable and we could import the other crops from Mexico,... giving Mexico more demand for jobs there,... novel eh?
Illegals would still come here regardless of going after employers,... for the free education, food stamps, healthcare and what many bring,... a nice drug business,... the usual argument that they are just good hardworking family oriented people is another fallacy,.... Phoenix is now second in the world in kidnappings, most police officers are killed by illegals, Arizona has the highest rate of uninsured motorists, phoenix averages one home invasion per day, etc etc etc
I haven't even covered everything,... but it is sad that when citizens get sick of this, illegals demand right they are not entitled to and the illegal sympathizers start using politics to get rid of the resisitance,... as is seen in things like the democrats attacking the 287g program letting local officers assist ICE,... Napalitano our former gov. having taken away funds for our sheriff who wanted to do something about illegal immigration, etc, etc
I have grown up with this and seen it get worse over decades,.... you and Moonbeam are ignorant idealists,...