Illegal immigrant kills naturalized police officer

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Jaskalas

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Enjoying watching a few of you bend over backwards to take the side of sanctuary laws and the illegal immigrant cop killer here.
Nobody has taken the side of the cop killer. Don't pretend.

That's the core issue here @SlowSpyder . You are treating every illegal immigrant as a murderer. Generalizing and stereotyping for collective guilt and punishment. That is a core tenant of Racism and Nazism. To judge people by their birth or group, rather than by who they are as individuals. Yes, these people made a choice to come here illegally, but that does not make them murderers.

I suppose it is possible that your logical fallacy lead you to this point, but others are only going to see the result and not consider how you arrived at it. Tell us, why do you want action(s) against a group of people in retaliation for the action(s) of individuals within it? It's not like they are a terrorist group or a death cult. Most the people crossing our border are innocently looking for an escape, for a better life.

That you would have them pay for the crimes of another person is going to sicken people, and make them believe that you are inherently evil.

Why cite the actions of an individual, as a reason to act against an entire group of millions of people?
 

Jhhnn

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Again, BLM isn't inherently racist. The vast majority of its leaders do not advocate retaliation against police; they want accountability for police. Also, at last check one anti-police shooter doesn't negate the entirely legitimate complaints of a broader movement. US police killed 1,147 people in 2017, 25 percent of them black (twice the percentage of the black population) -- and when roughly two thirds of black people killed tend to be unarmed or non-violent, that means 189 black people were likely killed for no good reason.

Also, I'd like to point out the hypocrisy of claiming that racists are "fringe" on the right (they're not) while simultaneously insisting that one obviously fringe person represents all of the BLM movement. Are you not even vaguely self-aware?

Of course he has no self awareness. He doesn't even realize that white people are a welcome part of BLM.
 
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Jhhnn

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White people have been part of the NAACP too, so what? Lefties have fooled many people, have to keep the plantation flourishing.

If either organization were racist as you claim they wouldn't welcome white people to join them. Too easy, right?

I do love the way Trumpsters drag out Rachel Donezal. It's one of the few times faking blackness ever worked to anybody's advantage. OTOH, people of mixed heritage have been trying to pass for white for a very long while, apparently for reasons beyond your comprehension.
 

Viper1j

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You think the difference between illegal immigration and legal immigration is splitting hairs? L O L

Maybe you haven't been keeping up with current events Sparky, but being illegal isn't a criminal offense, (hence not a crime) but a civil offense.
 

SlowSpyder

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Maybe you haven't been keeping up with current events Sparky, but being illegal isn't a criminal offense, (hence not a crime) but a civil offense.

It is a misdemeanor the first time, a felony the second time you are caught. Being here illegally is criminal.
 

Jhhnn

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It is a misdemeanor the first time, a felony the second time you are caught. Being here illegally is criminal.

If such were criminal then presidents could pardon immigration law violators. They can't of course.
 

Viper1j

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It is a misdemeanor the first time, a felony the second time you are caught. Being here illegally is criminal.

Sparky... Reading is FUNdamental..

https://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2...crime-improper-entry-v-unlawful-presence.html

Is Illegal Immigration a Crime? Improper Entry v. Unlawful Presence

What's the illegal part of being an illegal immigrant? Is it a crime to simply be an undocumented immigrant residing in the United States? What about sneaking across the border?

The confusion lies in the legal difference between improper entry and unlawful presence. Here's what you need to know:

Improper Entry Is a Crime
To be clear, the most common crime associated with illegal immigration is likely improper entry. Under federal criminal law, it is misdemeanor for an alien (i.e., a non-citizen) to:
  • Enter or attempt to enter the United States at any time or place other than designated by immigration officers;
  • Elude examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
  • Attempt to enter or obtain entry to the United States by willfully concealing, falsifying, or misrepresenting material facts.
The punishment under this federal law is no more than six months of incarceration and up to $250 in civil penalties for each illegal entry. These acts of improper entry -- including the mythic "border jumping" -- are criminal acts associated with illegally immigrating to the United States.
Like all other criminal charges in the United States, improper entry must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in order to convict.

Unlawful Presence Is Not a Crime

Some may assume that all immigrants who are in the United States without legal status must have committed improper entry. This simply isn't the case. Many foreign nationals legally enter the country on a valid work or travel visa, but fail to exit before their visa expires for a variety of reasons.

But mere unlawful presence in the country is not a crime. It is a violation of federal immigration law to remain in the country without legal authorization, but this violation is punishable by civil penalties, not criminal. Chief among these civil penalties is deportation or removal, where an unlawful resident may be detained and removed from the country. Unlawful presence can also have negative consequences for a resident who may seek to gain re-entry into the United States, or permanent residency.

Both improper entry and unlawful presence should be avoided by any immigrant to the United States, but an illegal alien cannot be criminally charged or incarcerated simply for being undocumented.

Now when you come up from your mom's basement and she asks: "Did you learn anything new today?"

You can say "Yes".

P.S.

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woolfe9998

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So far no one has bothered to challenge Fox News' assertion that California's sanctuary law is in any way responsible for this killing. Arriaga was arrested on suspicion of DUI in 2014. The sanctuary law was just passed in 2018 and didn't even take effect until three months ago. Furthermore, though some cities had sanctuary laws, Madera County, where he was arrested, did not. Seriously guys, this is your brain on Fox News.

Also, the new state law only precludes reporting the arrest to ICE if it's one of certain drug offenses, or certain types of misdemeanors. All the serious and violent felonies permit police to report the individual to ICE.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB54
 
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Jhhnn

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So far no one has bothered to challenge Fox News' assertion that California's sanctuary law is in any way responsible for this killing. Arriaga was arrested on suspicion of DUI in 2014. The sanctuary law was just passed in 2018 and didn't even take effect until three months ago. Furthermore, though some cities had sanctuary laws, Madera County, where he was arrested, did not. Seriously guys, this is your brain on Fox News.

Also, the new state law only precludes reporting the arrest to ICE if it's one of certain drug offenses, or certain types of misdemeanors. All the serious and violent felonies permit police to report the individual to ICE.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB54

Facts don't matter to Wall ravers. Trump wants Wall, they want Wall. Because reasons. For the MAGA.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/Sanctuary-policies-criticized-again-after-13500936.php
 

woolfe9998

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Facts don't matter to Wall ravers. Trump wants Wall, they want Wall. Because reasons. For the MAGA.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/Sanctuary-policies-criticized-again-after-13500936.php

Indeed. That article mentions the same things I did.

I just wanted to point out the level of dishonesty of Fox News - that they would insinuate a state law is responsible for someone not being reported to ICE when the person in question was arrested 4 years before the state law passed. The same poster who just started a thread premised on a Fox News article stating that the New York Times has a left bias is basing his opinions on this kind of nonsense. It's sophomoric even as propaganda goes.

Seriously guys, when Slow links to Fox News, don't just bash him for linking it. Take a minute to read it, google around, and in about 1 minute you'll probably discover a big, fat hairy lie at the center of it.
 
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Jhhnn

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Indeed. That article mentions the same things I did.

I just wanted to point out the level of dishonesty of Fox News - that they would insinuate a state law is responsible for someone not being reported to ICE when the person in question was arrested 4 years before the state law passed. The same poster who just started a thread premised on a Fox News article stating that the New York Times has a left bias is basing his opinions on this kind of nonsense. It's sophomoric even as propaganda goes.

Seriously guys, when Slow links to Fox News, don't just bash him for linking it. Take a minute to read it, google around, and in about 1 minute you'll probably discover a big, fat hairy lie at the center of it.

Of course. Slow's premise is that the cops should have consulted Nancy Reagan's astrologer or Miss Cleo back in 2014 to figure out Arriaga would have been a cop killer in 2018. Because of evil sanctuary laws that didn't even exist at the time. As if his case was somehow unique. I'm sure a whole lot of drunken Mexicans paid their bond & were cut loose then & now. Only one turned into a cop killer.
 

woolfe9998

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Of course. Slow's premise is that the cops should have consulted Nancy Reagan's astrologer or Miss Cleo back in 2014 to figure out Arriaga would have been a cop killer in 2018. Because of evil sanctuary laws that didn't even exist at the time. As if his case was somehow unique. I'm sure a whole lot of drunken Mexicans paid their bond & were cut loose then & now. Only one turned into a cop killer.

Using crime anecdotes to paint entire groups in a bad light is as old as the hills. The Nazis used the shooting of vom Rath in Paris by a Jew as an excuse to start the pogrom know as kristallnacht. It's incredible how the human mind can generalize from individual misconduct to that of entire groups consisting of millions of people. Since the only other argument here is to criticize a law which wasn't even in effect at the time, this is pretty much the only one being implicitly made, that everyone is somehow collectively responsible for the actions of other members of their "tribe" and hence subject to some kind of collective punishment or at the very least, collective defamation. That and of course the primal emotion of FEAR.
 
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Jhhnn

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Using crime anecdotes to paint entire groups in a bad light is as old as the hills. The Nazis used the shooting of vom Rath in Paris by a Jew as an excuse to start the pogrom know as kristallnacht. It's incredible how the human mind can generalize from individual misconduct to that of entire groups consisting of millions of people. Since the only other argument here is to criticize a law which wasn't even in effect at the time, this is pretty much the only one being implicitly made, that everyone is somehow collectively responsible for the actions of other members of their "tribe" and hence subject to some kind of collective punishment or at the very least, collective defamation. That and of course the primal emotion of FEAR.

Trump does his best to keep the Faithful quivering in their boots-

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-mexico-democrats-sanctuary-cities/617252002/

Never mind that Americans living in places with large illegal immigrant populations don't feel that way at all. Trump exploits fear of the unknown in white people who really have little to no experience with illegals at all.
 

Ackmed

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Its pretty clear that those who want sanctuary cities, and other ways for illegal aliens to remain in the US, dont really give a damn about American citizens. Are all illegals bad people? No, not even close. I would guess that the vast majority are good. They want to work and be productive. Like usual, the small percent make the larger percent look bad. Are there those who are, who hurt and kill Americans that should not be in the US at all? Yes, there sure is. By fighting to keep sanctuary cities, and failing to report illegals to ICE, they can put American at risk.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/californ...working-with-ice-over-twice-deported-criminal

The comments from Tulare County Sheriff Mike Boudreaux come following the death of Gustavo Garcia, a 36-year-old who police say embarked on a 'reign of terror' robbing a convenience store, shooting and killing a person and firing at buildings before crashing a truck that he had stolen. The day-long crime spree that began Sunday in the Fresno area also left five injured, including one critical, and Lindsay Police suspect Garcia was involved in an additional murder there. During the chase Monday that ended in the crash that left Garcia dead, he drove the wrong way at speeds of up to 100 mph and hit four other cars – something that he appeared to have done on purpose, police said.

The immigration agency says it placed a detainer on Garcia last week after he was arrested on a misdemeanor charge of being under the influence of a controlled substance. But Boudreaux said he had no choice but to let Garcia go since state law prohibits him from honoring that request unless ICE obtains an arrest warrant with the signature of a federal judge.
“Gustavo Garcia in times past would have been turned over to ICE officials. Even though it was a misdemeanor charge, they placed a detainer on him. That detainer can no longer be recognized,” Boudreaux said.
“That’s how we did it in the past and that’s how we had always done it. And now, that tool has been taken from law enforcement,” Boudreaux continued. “After [the passage of] SB-54 we no longer have that power.

Dems passed Senate Bill 54 last Sept that did not let ICE detain this violent criminal. The deaths, and injuries are on them. But of course they wont see it that way. I have no doubts that I, and the article will be attacked by those here for even mentioning this case. Dems are quick to blame Repubs for deaths mass shootings (not that it is accurate to do so), but when the script if flipped, radio silence.
 

Jhhnn

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Its pretty clear that those who want sanctuary cities, and other ways for illegal aliens to remain in the US, dont really give a damn about American citizens. Are all illegals bad people? No, not even close. I would guess that the vast majority are good. They want to work and be productive. Like usual, the small percent make the larger percent look bad. Are there those who are, who hurt and kill Americans that should not be in the US at all? Yes, there sure is. By fighting to keep sanctuary cities, and failing to report illegals to ICE, they can put American at risk.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/californ...working-with-ice-over-twice-deported-criminal



Dems passed Senate Bill 54 last Sept that did not let ICE detain this violent criminal. The deaths, and injuries are on them. But of course they wont see it that way. I have no doubts that I, and the article will be attacked by those here for even mentioning this case. Dems are quick to blame Repubs for deaths mass shootings (not that it is accurate to do so), but when the script if flipped, radio silence.

So, ICE failed to take Garcia into their custody because they didn't follow proper procedure. Good to know.
 

zinfamous

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What about them? How does that relate to this story? I hope ever SOB in the links you provided faces justice. Your post has nothing to do with an illegal immigrant killing a citizen that gave back to his community.

look what happens when slow is confronted by his own style of whataboutism. It seems to frustrate him and he claims that it is a distraction from the topic.

fucking imagine that.
 

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Lanyap

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So, ICE failed to take Garcia into their custody because they didn't follow proper procedure. Good to know.


i guess you can blame the death of an innocent on ICE in the incident that Ackmed referenced. SB54 was specifically written to protect illegal immigrants and make ICE's job more difficult. I realize it was in response to Trump but was it really the right thing to do? Before SB54 ICE could issue a detainer which they could sign and issue in a timely manner to hold an illegal immigrant that was being held by local authorities. Before SB54 this would have saved that innocents life. SB54 required that a judicial warrant be issued to hold an immigrant for ICE. I would think that it would take longer to get a judicial warrant through a federal judge than internally signing off on a detainer. CA seems to be cutting off its nose to spite its face. You folks in CA stay safe.