If you were hiring a manager...

[joesmoke]

if i could turn the question around... from an "earnings" perspective, which is earning you more for the time spent, getting a degree or gaining experience?

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
I would never hire a manager who didn't have experience managing, regardless of degree type.

Never? If everyone followed your lead, in a generation or two we'd be in a lot of trouble.....

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: joesmoke
if i could turn the question around... from an "earnings" perspective, which is earning you more for the time spent, getting a degree or gaining experience?

Degree will provide a better ROI than experience for most fields.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: JS80
Depends on field and position.

No it doesn't. Somebody that has proven they can do a job in the real world is infinitely more desirable than someone that has a piece of paper saying they could marginally do it in theory. That's in every field and every position.

 

[alkemyst]

experience definitely unless this guy / gal was going to be low level.

90% of a good manager is getting your point across without blowing morale. A lot of the younger people drop fucking bombs that just piss off the whole team.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Ns1
experience > degree

degree + experience > *

So you'd rather higher an incompetent idiot that has years of experience over a young guy who's sharp and a quick learner?

If the guy's been in management for years he won't be incompetent. He may have weaknesses he needs to work on, but so does everyone else including the student. Management is not something you can just read about in a text book, solder a few components together in a lab, and know what you're doing. Being a successful manager takes a LOT of effort and there's just no substitute teacher for OTJ training.

Utter BS.
We've got a new manager who is probably in his 60s, and he is utterly useless at seemingly every aspect of his job (operations manager of a hotel).
He's also been in managerial positions elsewhere (a newspaper) and has been working in this particular hotel chain I think for at least a couple of years, so he's by no means green, but he is by all accounts and from my own personal experience, useless. Not a single redeeming feature I can think of.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: joesmoke
An applicant who is fresh out of school with a management degree, or an applicant who has experience managing and has good references/work history, but no degree?

why?

please note if you have actually hired a manager

2nd... degree means shit.

 

[Evadman]

Depends greatly on the job needed to fill, payroll range, entry or non-entry position, etc. And yes, I am a hiring manager.

 

[brandonbull]

A minority because whitey is the devil.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Evadman
Depends greatly on the job needed to fill, payroll range, entry or non-entry position, etc. And yes, I am a hiring manager.

You made the same mistake I did, he meant you're hiring a manage, not that you're a hiring manager.

 

[SacrosanctFiend]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
I would never hire a manager who didn't have experience managing, regardless of degree type.

Never? If everyone followed your lead, in a generation or two we'd be in a lot of trouble.....

Not true whatsoever. You don't have to be a manager to get management experience (read: work leadership, team/project lead, etc.)

 

[RadiclDreamer]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: JS80
Depends on field and position.

Do you even bother reading the posts you reply to? This is your 3rd retarded post today, within about an hour. He clearly said the field would be management.

I would prefer the one without a degree if they have good references. When it comes to managing people and tasks, there is no substitute for hands-on experience. If it were a technical position, I'm not sure which I would choose. There are skills necessary for managing other human beings that you cannot learn in school.

Reading COMPREHENSION FTL. Managing what is the question, being a manager at fast food is vastly different from being a manager in a high tech office which is different than a manager in finance. So he wasnt asking a stupid question

 

[JulesMaximus]

You can't teach someone how to manage people in a school. Honestly, it would come down to how well each one came off in the interview.

 

[Beanie46]

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer


Reading COMPREHENSION FTL. Managing what is the question, being a manager at fast food is vastly different from being a manager in a high tech office which is different than a manager in finance.

Actually, it's not. You're not managing the process, you're managing people. True, people work in the process, be it industrial, financial, medical, or any other arena you care to mention. But, in the end, managing people is essentially the same in any area.....even in the military.

While every area may seem to be vastly different, and indeed finance is different from medicine and different from an industrial environment, the people are all the same and managing them is not much different going form one thing to another, which is why you see successful managers smoothly moving from one area to another....

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: joesmoke
An applicant who is fresh out of school with a management degree, or an applicant who has experience managing and has good references/work history, but no degree?

why?

please note if you have actually hired a manager

As first responder said, it depends on the field but in general I'd go with experienced and no degree.

[edit] I have had input on hiring my own manager, more than once.

 

[DrPizza]

No offense, but today's B.S. from college isn't necessarily a hell of a lot more than yesterday's high school diploma. I recently completed a master's degree (education technology); I had to take quite a few business & management courses. Having seen the output of some of the people in the master's programs for various areas in business, I'm absolutely surprised some of them even managed to get a bachelor's degree.

On the other hand, I've seen managers with many years of experience who are as incompetent as they were during their first year as a manager.

Thus, it comes down to too many factors, not the least of which is this (which hasn't been pointed out yet): how challenging of a position is it? If it's not that challenging & the recent grad seems like he/she will be able to handle it, you can probably hire him/her for a chunk of money less than the experienced guy. Legal reason for not hiring him: "sorry, but you're over-qualified" (not his age, of course.)

 

[OrByte]

how do they compare head to head for the job you want them to do?

that's all that really matters.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Having a degree means very little in the real world. Most companies and situations are so dynamic that you aren't going to apply much of anything you learned in school.

 

[BoomerD]

A degree means nothing if the person doesn't know how to manage people, therefore I would opt for the experienced non-degreed person. The closest thing to managers I've hired were foremen...which are low-level managers. (I was a general foreman...one step below superintendent.) Of course, this was construction...where only engineers and superintendents generally have degrees...

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Ns1
experience > degree

degree + experience > *

So you'd rather hire an incompetent idiot that has years of experience over a young guy who's sharp and a quick learner?

That's what the interview is for...

 

[Hacp]

Hire the one with the deep smooth voice.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
I would never hire a manager who didn't have experience managing, regardless of degree type.

Never? If everyone followed your lead, in a generation or two we'd be in a lot of trouble.....

Not true whatsoever. You don't have to be a manager to get management experience (read: work leadership, team/project lead, etc.)

That's a stretch. I'll take that as "you're right, Deeko, I should have further clarified my bold, foolish statement"

 

[RadiclDreamer]

Originally posted by: Beanie46

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer


Reading COMPREHENSION FTL. Managing what is the question, being a manager at fast food is vastly different from being a manager in a high tech office which is different than a manager in finance.

Actually, it's not. You're not managing the process, you're managing people. True, people work in the process, be it industrial, financial, medical, or any other arena you care to mention. But, in the end, managing people is essentially the same in any area.....even in the military.

While every area may seem to be vastly different, and indeed finance is different from medicine and different from an industrial environment, the people are all the same and managing them is not much different going form one thing to another, which is why you see successful managers smoothly moving from one area to another....

You need to understand the industry to effectively manage it

 

[HardcoreRobot]

experience > degree, but entry level can save money. all depends what the specific needs and budget are

 

[krunchykrome]

There are a lot of other variables that come into play here. What industry is it in? Company size?