If you were hiring a manager...

[joesmoke]

An applicant who is fresh out of school with a management degree, or an applicant who has experience managing and has good references/work history, but no degree?

why?

please note if you have actually hired a manager

 

[JS80]

Depends on field and position.

 

[kranky]

It depends on the job I'm looking to fill, but all else being equal I'd take the person with experience in a managerial role.

A degree is important, but I also think a management degree does not equip people to be managers.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: JS80
Depends on field and position.

Do you even bother reading the posts you reply to? This is your 3rd retarded post today, within about an hour. He clearly said the field would be management.

I would prefer the one without a degree if they have good references. When it comes to managing people and tasks, there is no substitute for hands-on experience. If it were a technical position, I'm not sure which I would choose. There are skills necessary for managing other human beings that you cannot learn in school.

 

[LS21]

the better looking candidate

 

[OCGuy]

Experience, every time. Being a good student does not always translate into real life.

 

[SacrosanctFiend]

I would never hire a manager who didn't have experience managing, regardless of degree type.

 

[Crusty]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: JS80
Depends on field and position.

Do you even bother reading the posts you reply to? This is your 3rd retarded post today, within about an hour. He clearly said the field would be management.

I would prefer the one without a degree if they have good references. When it comes to managing people and tasks, there is no substitute for hands-on experience. If it were a technical position, I'm not sure which I would choose. There are skills necessary for managing other human beings that you cannot learn in school.

Managing a McDonalds is a bit different than managing a team of competent employees. Quit being such a dick.

 

[joesmoke]

Originally posted by: LS21
the better looking candidate

at least one of you took me srsly

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: JS80
Depends on field and position.

Do you even bother reading the posts you reply to? This is your 3rd retarded post today, within about an hour. He clearly said the field would be management.

I would prefer the one without a degree if they have good references. When it comes to managing people and tasks, there is no substitute for hands-on experience. If it were a technical position, I'm not sure which I would choose. There are skills necessary for managing other human beings that you cannot learn in school.

You are on fire today. I read "If you were hiring a manager" as "If you were a hiring manager." :thumbsup: for catching my mistake. Thanks, I will be more detail oriented next time.

And BTW, "management" is not a "field." So my question still stands. What field?

 

[Ns1]

experience > degree

degree + experience > *

 

[Jumpem]

Only number one will get interviewed.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Ns1
experience > degree

degree + experience > *

So you'd rather hire an incompetent idiot that has years of experience over a young guy who's sharp and a quick learner?

 

[joesmoke]

Originally posted by: Jumpem
Only number one will get interviewed.

do you say this from experience?

 

[Cattlegod]

Originally posted by: JS80
Depends on field and position.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Crusty
Managing a McDonalds is a bit different than managing a team of competent employees. Quit being such a dick.

So you're saying McDonalds employees are all incompetant? :roll: It takes skill to do anything as a team and even more skill to lead the team. I've managed teams moderately-sized (~12 is moderate? or small?) in fast-paced manufacturing at a previous job and am managing a smaller team testing computer hardware. The current position has me working in tandem with some of the smartest people I have ever met and probably will ever meet. The previous job had me managing people who surprised me if they could tie their shoes on their own each morning.

Both teams require different skill sets and, even though there may be a significant difference in IQ between the teams, it was necessary for both teams to be competent in the areas that the job required. I wouldn't call either team incompetent. They simply had different strengths and weaknesses.

Throw any one of my engineers into the manufacturing position and they'd fail so fast they wouldn't know what hit them. Throw one of the manufacturing people into this position and the most you'd get out of them is a glazed-over look and a scratch of the head.

Saying employees of one of the world's biggest and most successful companies are all incompetent is a generalizing, ignorant statement.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I'd go with the experienced one, but I'd still interview both and go from there. On the other hand the one that is fresh out of college will be more willing to work as it will be his first job, though I would not really hire someone fresh out of college and give them a management position right off the bat. I've been working for 2 years and I don't even qualify myself to be a manager yet. You need to have experience in the front lines before you can manage them.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Ns1
experience > degree

degree + experience > *

So you'd rather higher an incompetent idiot that has years of experience over a young guy who's sharp and a quick learner?

If the guy's been in management for years he won't be incompetent. He may have weaknesses he needs to work on, but so does everyone else including the student. Management is not something you can just read about in a text book, solder a few components together in a lab, and know what you're doing. Being a successful manager takes a LOT of effort and there's just no substitute teacher for OTJ training.

 

[joesmoke]

JS80 - no field in particular, sorry i cant be more specific but i really dont have one in mind

also, lets say its a very competent experienced person against the person whos sharpand a quick learner and theyre both the same age (lets say 30)

 

[Crusty]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Crusty
Managing a McDonalds is a bit different than managing a team of competent employees. Quit being such a dick.

So you're saying McDonalds employees are all incompetant? :roll: It takes skill to do anything as a team and even more skill to lead the team. I've managed teams moderately-sized (~12 is moderate? or small?) in fast-paced manufacturing at a previous job and am managing a smaller team testing computer hardware. The current position has me working in tandem with some of the smartest people I have ever met and probably will ever meet. The previous job had me managing people who surprised me if they could tie their shoes on their own each morning.

Both teams require different skill sets and, even though there may be a significant difference in IQ between the teams, it was necessary for both teams to be competent in the areas that the job required. I wouldn't call either team incompetent. They simply had different strengths and weaknesses.

Throw any one of my engineers into the manufacturing position and they'd fail so fast they wouldn't know what hit them. Throw one of the manufacturing people into this position and the most you'd get out of them is a glazed-over look and a scratch of the head.

Saying employees of one of the world's biggest and most successful companies are all incompetent is a generalizing, ignorant statement.

:laugh:

Thanks for assuming that all McDonalds employees are incompetent. The fact is that if you are managing a team that's responsible for say $500k in revenue for a corporation you're going to need a different set of skills then managing 5 high school kids flipping burgers at a McDonalds.

Like JS80 said, it really depends on the field/industry and the level of management position. The question is far to vague to give any specific answers.

 

[Drakkon]

In which field is it that a degree is preferred over experience? I mean i know some companies that use that model (degree over experience) but they usually end up regretting it and hire someone with experience not soon thereafter. Eventually the experienced person outshines the degreed person and ends up in the management role anyways.

 

[joesmoke]

thanks for the replys folks, most of what has been said goes with what i was thinking, just thought id check the OT brain trust to see what my fellow dickscar... err... geniuses thought

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: joesmoke
JS80 - no field in particular, sorry i cant be more specific but i really dont have one in mind

also, lets say its a very competent experienced person against the person whos sharpand a quick learner and theyre both the same age (lets say 30)

I'm assuming it's an undergrad management degree? If he's 30 and JUST received his degree, I can speculate certain things.

With just that info I'm leaning towards experience over the degree. It sounds like this job doesn't require a degree, especially since you're considering someone without one.

 

[spidey07]

Degree - because it's required for the position.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Ns1
experience > degree

degree + experience > *

So you'd rather higher an incompetent idiot that has years of experience over a young guy who's sharp and a quick learner?

If the guy's been in management for years he won't be incompetent. He may have weaknesses he needs to work on, but so does everyone else including the student. Management is not something you can just read about in a text book, solder a few components together in a lab, and know what you're doing. Being a successful manager takes a LOT of effort and there's just no substitute teacher for OTJ training.

Bolded point is debatable. The rest of the statement I agree with. But I will also add some people are born managers.