If you wanna game.. you should go nvidia.

[Budman]

Congratulations

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: JJN
**Looks up fanboy in dictionary**
**sees picture of vian**

the force is strong with this newfish

:beer:

- M4H

 

[BenSkywalker]

JBirney-

Since when does a game have to be good for its benchmarks scores to be valid?

I was replying to-

Don't you get frustrated when even a 9600XT beats a more expensive 59xx series Nvidia card in DX9?

The only game out we have seen this in is TRAoD(even if we include FarCry). In order to be frustrated by the 9600XT besting the 59xx boards you have to be playing TRAoD- do you own that game? It came with my Audigy2, and it is incredibly bad by any standard.

Was Q3 a good game (note not the engine, the game itself)?

I liked Quake3 better then UT.

Halo shows the same results when you use Custom time demos. But yet people also through out those results because its PC version was a "bad game"

Halo doesn't show anything like TRAoD(9600XT besting a 5950), although you should dismiss the way in which Halo is 'custom' benched. The AI in Halo isn't on a set path and it will be a random encounter each time you play through.

oldfart-

If a game is poorly coded, maybe

Play the game is all I can say to that. Check out the, errrr, 'stunning' visuals The performance TRAoD offers versus the visuals is easily the poorest trade off I have seen in a couple years(and this is running on a R9800Pro), it is a bad engine.

KOTR may be an example of bad coding. Here is a post from B3D that explains the problem. I dont play the game and have no personal knowledge if this is accurate.

I can only assume that that post is about NWN, not KoTOR.

So more than a month after BioWare had stated ATI didn't support a Pixel shader for shiny water, we were finally playing with shiny waters.

Shiny water was never a problem with KoTOR, it was a NWN issue. For the record the NWN engine is screwed up, for some time the Ti4200 was besting the highest end R3x0 and NV3X board in benches.

 

[VIAN]

Don't you just hate it when programmers suck.

 

[jbirney]

BenSkywalker-

The only game out we have seen this in is TRAoD(even if we include FarCry). In order to be frustrated by the 9600XT besting the 59xx boards you have to be playing TRAoD- do you own that game? It came with my Audigy2, and it is incredibly bad by any standard.

Ahhh my bad. I did not read what was typed correctly. I thought I saw a puddy that...err I meant I thought I saw it as the 57xx. Whoopsie

However the PS2.0 used in TRAoD covers the entire screen. No other game out there uses PS2.0 as much, thus I doubt you would see this difference in any other game. HL2 may...if it ever ships Also Other Benchmarks (Synthetics) show a similar case (ie when measuring PS2.0), for example shadermark.

I liked Quake3 better then UT.

Fair enough. I did not like the same gothic theme over 16 different levels with only a few levels being different enough...and the map I had the most fun on was Q3DM17- Longest Yard... But I liked UT more as it gave us more than just DM (ok technically you had 5 CTF levels in Q3 so...yea). Assault was a nice break from the same ol-same ol. And I loved how they had many different environments to play in (ie not the same ones as in Q3). Finally UT was SOOO much easier to mod for..that's why I liked it better. But I can agree that not every one will...so good for you!

But the point was that Q3 was the benchmark because it was a great engine, produced reliable, repeatable results and it was easy to run. It was not benchmarks because it was a good game. Thus fanyboys that try to dismiss a benchmark score bucause the game sucks...are..well yea fanboys



Folks,

You might want to know that the original poster of this thread went ahead and got an 9800 and seems rather happy with it:
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10653

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: jbirney
Folks,

You might want to know that the original poster of this thread went ahead and got an 9800 and seems rather happy with it:
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10653

Uh, he also posted that here. And in his first post, he mentions that "I went ahead and ordered my 9800..."

- M4H

 

[PCTweaker5]

Originally posted by: VIAN
don't you ever post anything useful

hahaha, good one!

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Tabb
Don't you get frustrated when call of duty crashes at random every 15 minutes?

No, it doesn't crash on my 9600XT
Don't you get frustrated when horizons runs at 15fps 800x600 all low settings?

Horizons? What the hell is that?
Don't you get frustrated when Wolfenstein Enemy Territory runs slower on a 9800 than a FX5600?

No, I dont. 60 FPS is quite playable.
Don't you get frustrated when nVIDIAs Aniso looks better than ATis?

No, I dont. It doesn't look that much better.
Don't you get frustrated when Neverwinternights Crashes every time you enable AA in the game?

Strange, doesn't happen to me
Don't you get frustrated when the FX5600U stomps the 9800XT in Q3A

Nope, because I dont waste my 9800XT on a game that old.

Don't you get frustrated with VPU recovery errors?
What are VPU Recovery Errors? Never heard of those?

Don't you get frustrated with drivers that dont properly uninstall and need special 3rd party programs to totally remove?
Show me one driver package that completely removes itself.

Horizons is an MMORPG.

All of the issue listed were issues that ATi cards have had in the last 3 months or so that were fixed with driver updates. Point being that a lot of games dont work properly on ATi cards at their release.

 

[1ManArmY]

gasoline and fire dont mix