If you wanna game.. you should go nvidia.

[McArra]

Originally posted by: jim1976

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: McArra

Originally posted by: Zarick
I get frustrated when I cant use features like soft shadows in a game because of a driver bug.
I get frustrated when I have to download a hotfix because of a driver bug.
I get frustrated when I have poor performance because of a driver bug.

I am just venting my frustrations.

Don't you get frustrated when you have to FORCE PS2 in a game to see new effects? well that usually happens with Nvidia.
Don't you get frustrated when even a 9600XT beats a more expensive 59xx series Nvidia card in DX9?
Don't you get frustrated when you see R300 core beating Nvidia high end with AA/AF enabled?
Don't you get frustrated when ATi's 2xAA is superior to Nvidia's 4x?
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I would, that's why I bought ATi. Still in more than a year and in 2 rigs have had no problems related to drivers. Only had a minor one in NFSU which solved with a driver update.

Both have their pros and their cons don't you think?

Don't you get frustrated when call of duty crashes at random every 15 minutes?
Don't you get frustrated when horizons runs at 15fps 800x600 all low settings?
Don't you get frustrated when Wolfenstein Enemy Territory runs slower on a 9800 than a FX5600?
Don't you get frustrated when nVIDIAs Aniso looks better than ATis?
Don't you get frustrated when Neverwinternights Crashes every time you enable AA in the game?
Don't you get frustrated when the FX5600U stomps the 9800XT in Q3A
Don't you get frustrated with VPU recovery errors?
Don't you get frustrated with drivers that dont properly uninstall and need special 3rd party programs to totally remove?

I can act like a fanboi too, and mine are a lot easier to list

Edit: Don't you get frustrated that the IQ differences in the AA and AF methods require 20x zoom in screenshots to even notice?

We have discussed this in another post. My anger and overreaction towards him as I believe of McArra's too, was caused because the man is a troll and nothing else. (For obvious reasons)

You're right, I can't stand trolls

 

[chsh1ca]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Don't you get frustrated when call of duty crashes at random every 15 minutes?
Don't you get frustrated when horizons runs at 15fps 800x600 all low settings?
Don't you get frustrated when Wolfenstein Enemy Territory runs slower on a 9800 than a FX5600?
Don't you get frustrated when nVIDIAs Aniso looks better than ATis?
Don't you get frustrated when Neverwinternights Crashes every time you enable AA in the game?
Don't you get frustrated when the FX5600U stomps the 9800XT in Q3A

GAHAHAHAHAH. Yes! How dare that FX5600U (FC, whichever that is) get 210FPS. Personally I'd be more pissed that the FX5700U outperforms the FX5900U.

The "stomping" of 5.4FPS at speeds which it doesn't actually matter. Btw, benching at 1024x768 without any AA or AF is a waste of time and effort on a game as old as Quake III.

Don't you get frustrated with VPU recovery errors?
Don't you get frustrated with drivers that dont properly uninstall and need special 3rd party programs to totally remove?

That would be why I would want to go with ATI, the last two times I've removed NV drivers using the uninstall it hasn't done it properly, basically requiring that I download driver cleaner. Det 30.28s & 45.23s.

Edit: Don't you get frustrated that the IQ differences in the AA and AF methods require 20x zoom in screenshots to even notice?

Well, then you need some 20x zoom glasses, because the difference in AA is noticeable to me without any magnification.

 

[ZimZum]

Originally posted by: jbirney

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
You actually like Tomb Raider Angel of Darkness? You must have the worst taste in games on these boards.

Since when does a game have to be good for its benchmarks scores to be valid? Was Q3 a good game (note not the engine, the game itself)? Graneted I am not trying to compare the 2 and TR does indeed blow. But TRAD results are valid and they should only be dismissed if the benchmark itself is in error. Halo shows the same results when you use Custom time demos. But yet people also through out those results because its PC version was a "bad game" (even though for all practical reasoning its the same dam game as the Xbox version which won countless game of the year awards when it was released). Nothing against you just I see this argument all of the time....

I've never understood that argument either. I suppose if Doom3 turns out to be a lousy game we can disregard it as a benchmarking tool as well.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Zarick
After ordering my 9800pro I began to look at driver issue in games. Now I am seeing that nwn, kotor, other bioware titles, cod, nfs, and many others have driver issues, features disable and such all because of bad drivers. So whether or not ati can beat nvidia in some game benchmarks.. it would appear if you want compatibility in games.. if you don't want to hassle with turned off features or bugs.. you best order an nvidia card.. cause frankly thats what they are all building their games for.

I'm not even going to bother reading your post or any responses. I'm sick of these threads. In short...

You're a TROLL :disgust:

 

[VIAN]

Edit: Don't you get frustrated that the IQ differences in the AA and AF methods require 20x zoom in screenshots to even notice?

When I first got my ATI card, I said that the AA looked a tad better. Then having more fun with it, it just suddenly hit me, everything is smoother, this looks great. ATI's 2x AA looks way better than Nvidia's 4xAA.

 

[Zarick]

So I cannot post the same message, in different forums, that are read by a different mindset of people? I must only choose one forum.. or if I post in another forum I must completely re-write the message?

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Zarick
So I cannot post the same message, in different forums, that are read by a different mindset of people? I must only choose one forum.. or if I post in another forum I must completely re-write the message?

:music: Keep Trollin', Trollin', Trollin', Trollin' (Come on!)
:music: Keep Trollin', Trollin', Trollin', Trollin' (Yeah!)

- M4H

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Zarick
So I cannot post the same message, in different forums, that are read by a different mindset of people? I must only choose one forum.. or if I post in another forum I must completely re-write the message?

:music: Keep Trollin', Trollin', Trollin', Trollin' (Come on!)
:music: Keep Trollin', Trollin', Trollin', Trollin' (Yeah!)

- M4H

Bwahahaha!!! :beer:


:music: You better watch out.... Cauz I'm a troll machine :music:

 

[McArra]

LOL!!!!!!!!

:music::music::music::music:

 

[oldfart]

Originally posted by: jbirney

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
You actually like Tomb Raider Angel of Darkness? You must have the worst taste in games on these boards.

Since when does a game have to be good for its benchmarks scores to be valid? Was Q3 a good game (note not the engine, the game itself)? Graneted I am not trying to compare the 2 and TR does indeed blow. But TRAD results are valid and they should only be dismissed if the benchmark itself is in error. Halo shows the same results when you use Custom time demos. But yet people also through out those results because its PC version was a "bad game" (even though for all practical reasoning its the same dam game as the Xbox version which won countless game of the year awards when it was released). Nothing against you just I see this argument all of the time....

Agree. I never could understand that logic either. If a game is poorly coded, maybe, but if its just a bad game (there are lots of them) it doesn't make it a bad benchmark.

KOTR may be an example of bad coding. Here is a post from B3D that explains the problem. I dont play the game and have no personal knowledge if this is accurate.

Ok, to flesh it out a bit more as I followed it quite closely as it unfolded (was playing nwn then).

At first, when people started complaining about the lack of shiny water in nwn BioWare stated that only Nvidia card was capable of doing that technique since they were superior in tech. Considering that the then talked about a ti4x00 being superior to Radeon 95/9700 people didnt' take it too kindly.

After a while, BioWare came out and said: yes, the radeons do support the feature, but due to a bug with their drivers we can't turn it on and ATI won't respond to our inquieries.

Then a while later they said that there had never been a problem contacting ATI, and that the error was in fact due to a bug with nvidia hardware, which they had had to code around. This workaround didn't work with ATI cards, but BioWare then released a BETA patch (1.27 IIRC) and would include it in the next patch.

So more than a month after BioWare had stated ATI didn't support a Pixel shader for shiny water, we were finally playing with shiny waters.

Thus the whole problem wasn't due to ATI's drivers or hardware, but the fact that BioWare hadn't bothered to check their code on any other hardware than Nvidia, who had a bug in either drivers or hardware (dunno which as it was never said).

The point is, a game problem is not always the fault of the video card maker, it can just as easily be a problem with the game itself.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Don't you get frustrated when call of duty crashes at random every 15 minutes?
Don't you get frustrated when horizons runs at 15fps 800x600 all low settings?
Don't you get frustrated when Wolfenstein Enemy Territory runs slower on a 9800 than a FX5600?
Don't you get frustrated when nVIDIAs Aniso looks better than ATis?
Don't you get frustrated when Neverwinternights Crashes every time you enable AA in the game?
Don't you get frustrated when the FX5600U stomps the 9800XT in Q3A
Don't you get frustrated with VPU recovery errors?
Don't you get frustrated with drivers that dont properly uninstall and need special 3rd party programs to totally remove?

I can act like a fanboi too, and mine are a lot easier to list

Edit: Don't you get frustrated that the IQ differences in the AA and AF methods require 20x zoom in screenshots to even notice?

It doesnt.

Got proof? How do the FX's compare?

Considering that the 9800 Pro 256meg beats the 5900 Ultra 256, I think not. http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDk2LDg=

Care to show me a game screen shot where it does? Ill show you some where it doest; http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTM3LDc=

I dont play that game so I cant comment on it.

If by "stomps" you mean less than 5%, ok. There are many other reviews that show it well above the 5600. I cannot believe you are that ignorant. Would you like me to show you some reviews that have the 9600XT above the 5900U in games?

Its better than your machine hardlocking when overclocking too high. You dont have to manually reboot.

FYI, ATi has its own uninstall utility, which it has had for some time. Again, you dont know what you are talking about. I guess "Detonator Destoyer" has that many downloads for no reason?

I could throw up many things, right back at you. How about your answer to Farcry not running in PS 2.0 mode, while the R3x's do? Yeah.

 

[VIAN]

At the moment the company slogans should be...

ATI: Get In The Game
Nvidia: Get In The CAD

 

[Pete]

Zarich, there's nothing wrong with posting to multiple fora, but don't tell me your OP wasn't a bit trollish. You basically told people to go with nVidia before you even got your 9800P. Why not wait until you actually use the card? This statement is the flamey part:

"if you don't want to hassle with turned off features or bugs.. you best order an nvidia card.. cause frankly thats what they are all building their games for."

"Inflammable mean flammable?"

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: VIAN
At the moment the company slogans should be...

ATI: Get In The Game
Nvidia: Get In The CAD

and his inner troll emerges...

a week ago you were pimpin' Nvidia, what happened?

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: Zarick
So I cannot post the same message, in different forums, that are read by a different mindset of people? I must only choose one forum.. or if I post in another forum I must completely re-write the message?

You must understand that the title of your thread and pretty much everything you have stated so far borders on flamebait/trolling.
You can't just make blanket statements like that and expect people not to bash you for it. You haven't even used the card and you're bashing it because of what a few people on teh intarweb have said about it.

 

[cymanator]

A bit OT,

I'll take Skippys over Jiffy PB any day of the week ! That isn't a knock against Jiffy by the way, it's just that Skippys really is the best.

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: cymanator
A bit OT,

I'll take Skippys over Jiffy PB any day of the week ! That isn't a knock against Jiffy by the way, it's just that Skippys really is the best.

Bah! You're nothing more than a Skippyhead! Jif pwnz0rz j00!!!!11

 

[VIAN]

Quote
Originally posted by: VIAN
At the moment the company slogans should be...

ATI: Get In The Game
Nvidia: Get In The CAD



and his inner troll emerges...

a week ago you were pimpin' Nvidia, what happened?

I got an ATI card.

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: VIAN

Quote
Originally posted by: VIAN
At the moment the company slogans should be...

ATI: Get In The Game
Nvidia: Get In The CAD



and his inner troll emerges...

a week ago you were pimpin' Nvidia, what happened?

I got an ATI card.

BWAHAHAHAHA! That's goin in my sig

 

[JJN]

**Looks up fanboy in dictionary**
**sees picture of vian**

 

[VIAN]

Do I have to repeat myself again on the benefits of owning an ATI card.

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so vian.. how's life w/ your new 9700pro working out now that you've had it a week or so?


Traded my 5900 for the 9700 Pro - so Zarick knows.

AA takes very small tolls on performance as well as looks much better - I don't even have to use 4x. AF takes smaller tolls on performance and looks better to me, except for a bit more texture aliasing. A lot easier to give driver feedback - nice to know someone thinks of these things. I like the color it puts out - everything looks more natural compared to the 5900.

From my experience, installation was no problem and I have experienced less errors with it. COD had some major dynamic lighting problems with the 5900 and the switch to the 9700 Pro fixed that and also fixed textures flickering and missing. So much for "The Way It's Meant To Be Played."

 

[CaiNaM]

you know.. there are a lot of things i like about my 9800pro. i also like my bfg 5900nu. both of them can run today's games just fine, with a few exceptions - from both sides, and will for the foreseeable future until there are much better parts available from both companies for a reasonable price.

there are things you can criticize about both parts. that ati is a better overall product at this time is the general consensus, and a valid obseration imo. the best "bang for the buck" largely depends on the pricepoint, as well as whether you buy online or from a b&m outlet, and valid arguments can be made from both sides. hell one can be better than the other depending on which game you like, what features you like, or whether a driver is buggy with a game you happen to like. the bottom line is if you own a card based on nv35/38 or r3xx you have a very good part that can run today's games reasonably well and will continue to do so in the immediate future. so what's the big deal? neither is largely better or worse than the other, so does it really matter that much?

sure, it's fun and interesting to talk about why one design has better performance, or the philosophical differences which led to defferent comprimises and design decisions, but i just don't understand how some people seem to treat this like a life or death thing....

 

[Tab]

Don't you get frustrated when call of duty crashes at random every 15 minutes?

No, it doesn't crash on my 9600XT
Don't you get frustrated when horizons runs at 15fps 800x600 all low settings?

Horizons? What the hell is that?
Don't you get frustrated when Wolfenstein Enemy Territory runs slower on a 9800 than a FX5600?

No, I dont. 60 FPS is quite playable.
Don't you get frustrated when nVIDIAs Aniso looks better than ATis?

No, I dont. It doesn't look that much better.
Don't you get frustrated when Neverwinternights Crashes every time you enable AA in the game?

Strange, doesn't happen to me
Don't you get frustrated when the FX5600U stomps the 9800XT in Q3A

Nope, because I dont waste my 9800XT on a game that old.

Don't you get frustrated with VPU recovery errors?
What are VPU Recovery Errors? Never heard of those?

Don't you get frustrated with drivers that dont properly uninstall and need special 3rd party programs to totally remove?
Show me one driver package that completely removes itself.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: JJN
**Looks up fanboy in dictionary**
**sees picture of vian**

the force is strong with this newfish

 

[VIAN]

don't you ever post anything useful