If you don't like it then leave

[3chordcharlie]

Where are the people who make this sort of statement living?

Last time I checked America was not a 'take it or leave it' nation - isn't that a big part of being a free country?

Once an election is held, you don't have the choice of another leader, whatever you think of the elected one (Cali recall notwithstanding) but you are under no obligation to accept that the elected leader represents you or your interests, and are perfectly free to spend the entire electoral cycle campaigning for change.

If I were American, George Bush would not have my support, President or not, and I would invest time and effort ensuring that his administration did not continue (if indeed the next nominee was of the same political vision). That wouldn't make me un-American, it would make me a free person exercising my right to free speech, peaceful protests, etc.

If you live in a free country and don't accept THAT, then it is possible you are living in the wrong country, because that's what democracies and free speech are founded on; the right of the people to hold any opinion they wish, and express it without fear.

 

[assemblage]

Thanks! As an American I needed a lecture from a non American on how to be American.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: assemblage
Thanks! As an American I needed a lecture from a non American on how to be American.

I'm sorry to hear that. Grow up.

 

[Valvoline6]

If you don't like it then don't come.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: assemblage
Thanks! As an American I needed a lecture from a non American on how to be American.

:roll:

 

[assemblage]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: assemblage
Thanks! As an American I needed a lecture from a non American on how to be American.

I'm sorry to hear that. Grow up.

Another lecture about growing up, thanks!

 

[jpeyton]

I dunno, they seem to flock to wherever I am.

Tiles2Tech, exdeath, and a couple of other forgettables.

I find their logic funny too; it was the same "why don't you move to France" mentality before the war that got debunked once we found out France was right about WMDs.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: assemblage

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: assemblage
Thanks! As an American I needed a lecture from a non American on how to be American.

I'm sorry to hear that. Grow up.

Another lecture about growing up, thanks!

Sorry, I know it was a pretty short lecture, I hope I didn't charge too much.

 

[BAMAVOO]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I dunno, they seem to flock to wherever I am.

Tiles2Tech, exdeath, and a couple of other forgettables.

I find their logic funny too; it was the same "why don't you move to France" mentality before the war that got debunked once we found out France was right about WMDs.

Why don't you just get the FLOCK out of here. Your attitude sucks, period. If you are this upset about the election you truly have issues. The right man won the election. Just go out and find a better candidate for the next election. You must not be doing too bad in this economy, if you can sit and type on ATPN all day long.

 

[judasmachine]

If you kick out those who don't belong here, remember to close the door on your way out.

 

[assemblage]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: assemblage

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: assemblage
Thanks! As an American I needed a lecture from a non American on how to be American.

I'm sorry to hear that. Grow up.

Another lecture about growing up, thanks!

Sorry, I know it was a pretty short lecture, I hope I didn't charge too much.

Nope you didn't charge at all, it was free advice. I'm just messing with you though. It would be nice to see people working constructively for a change they believe in.

 

[LunarRay]

Well... This time Bush won. No doubt about that!
He has a mandate to continue the policy of the last four years. No doubt about that either!
It is the last four (or almost four) years of the Bush Administration being carried into the next four years that has me concerned. Well.. my concern if for the youth of this nation that will take up the debts created for eight years of Mr. Bush. It is the youth too who will suffer the long term effects of what will be no doubt a continued foreign policy whose agenda seems unlikely to be beneficial to anyone who fall into the scope of its vision.

But leave... not just yet. The effects of another fours years touch the here and now but the real effect is out there where I'll not be here to witness..... Most of you will be and because of that I wish we as a nation had seen fit for a change... but oh well.. the nation has spoken and the best and worst I can do about it is to simply shake my head in wonderment for the next four years...

 

[CanOWorms]

A real American (or whatever) would want to change the country instead of leave.

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Where are the people who make this sort of statement living?

Last time I checked America was not a 'take it or leave it' nation - isn't that a big part of being a free country?

Once an election is held, you don't have the choice of another leader, whatever you think of the elected one (Cali recall notwithstanding) but you are under no obligation to accept that the elected leader represents you or your interests, and are perfectly free to spend the entire electoral cycle campaigning for change.

If I were American, George Bush would not have my support, President or not, and I would invest time and effort ensuring that his administration did not continue (if indeed the next nominee was of the same political vision). That wouldn't make me un-American, it would make me a free person exercising my right to free speech, peaceful protests, etc.

If you live in a free country and don't accept THAT, then it is possible you are living in the wrong country, because that's what democracies and free speech are founded on; the right of the people to hold any opinion they wish, and express it without fear.

I wouldn't get to worked up over the "take it or leave it" statements from some of the members on this board. There's a few immature morons in both parties that love rubbing the losing sides nose in it.

 

[AlricTheMad]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
He has a mandate to continue the policy of the last four years. No doubt about that either!

How do you get 'mandate' with just over 1/2 of the vote?

A mandate would be a large (like mabybe 75-85%) of the voters on his side.

He won the election, he did not win over America

I agree, the democratic candidate did have what it took to get people on his side. Neither candidate in my opinion would have had any 'mandate' except from their own party.

I do hope that whoever runs for office next time both Rep & Dem are real worthy candidates that don't have to resort to spewing half truths and defending against the same to get people behind them.

Pat

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
A real American (or whatever) would want to change the country instead of leave.

Exactly - and whatever I might want to see in America, I hope that's just what you all do - make it into the country it's capable of being for its own citizens. (again, with no implication that it should be the country I want it to be).

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Where are the people who make this sort of statement living?

Last time I checked America was not a 'take it or leave it' nation - isn't that a big part of being a free country?

Once an election is held, you don't have the choice of another leader, whatever you think of the elected one (Cali recall notwithstanding) but you are under no obligation to accept that the elected leader represents you or your interests, and are perfectly free to spend the entire electoral cycle campaigning for change.

If I were American, George Bush would not have my support, President or not, and I would invest time and effort ensuring that his administration did not continue (if indeed the next nominee was of the same political vision). That wouldn't make me un-American, it would make me a free person exercising my right to free speech, peaceful protests, etc.

If you live in a free country and don't accept THAT, then it is possible you are living in the wrong country, because that's what democracies and free speech are founded on; the right of the people to hold any opinion they wish, and express it without fear.

Of course this is not a 'take it or leave it" country, and I certainly don't want anyone to leave simply for complaining a bit, but I can understand how some people get sick and tired of hearing the some old complaints over and over again, especially from celebrities.

Everyone has the right to criticize and complain, but when it comes to repeating the same tired old "If my candidate doesn't win, I'm leaving," I will be the first to tell them bye. That is not infringing upon their rights of free speech, nor is it anti-American - it's simply exercising the exact same rights they are, but from a different view.

We are obviously under no obligation to 'support' the President and his every decision, but if you dedicate your efforts to undermining him at the cost of the American people, you are hurting the country, IMO. Campaign, vote, legislate, rally, promote, complain, etc to your hearts content to oust him - that's all fine. But when you start lying, cheating, smearing, and such, and those efforts actually degrade our standards of living and our values as a country, or hurt innocent Americans, then you have taken a step too far.

There have been people here who seem to be hoping for more war and more despair and casualties in an effort to "prove" their point. These are the people who are hurting us. Yes, they have every right and freedom to stay here and say these things, but I have also have every right to tell them to 'get the fvck out,' if I choose. That's what being in a free country is all about. That's what this country was founded on. That's what I love about this place. Canada is a fine country and I'm glad you guys like it, but this is my country - I love it and I'm staying here, through thick or thin. :beer:

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: assemblage
Thanks! As an American I needed a lecture from a non American on how to be American.

I'm sorry to hear that. Grow up.

No YOU grow up...

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I dunno, they seem to flock to wherever I am.

Tiles2Tech, exdeath, and a couple of other forgettables.

I find their logic funny too; it was the same "why don't you move to France" mentality before the war that got debunked once we found out France was right about WMDs.

Why don't you just get the FLOCK out of here. Your attitude sucks, period. If you are this upset about the election you truly have issues. The right man won the election. Just go out and find a better candidate for the next election. You must not be doing too bad in this economy, if you can sit and type on ATPN all day long.

I'm doing damn fine in this economy; my opposition is because of the war in Iraq.

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I dunno, they seem to flock to wherever I am.

Tiles2Tech, exdeath, and a couple of other forgettables.

I find their logic funny too; it was the same "why don't you move to France" mentality before the war that got debunked once we found out France was right about WMDs.

What you don't recognize is that you don't add anything to the equation. You claim to be a Kerry supporter, but when Bush wins you now proclaim with joy that the country will now go to hell in a handbasket and that you are looking forward with glee to see it happen.

Being an American Citizen brings with it the responsibility to participate in the selection of your leaders and the debate the issues of the day along the way. You may have accomplished part one, but your hate mongering, finger pointing and absurd rhetoric are a pathetic cop-out of an attempt at part 2.

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I dunno, they seem to flock to wherever I am.

Tiles2Tech, exdeath, and a couple of other forgettables.

I find their logic funny too; it was the same "why don't you move to France" mentality before the war that got debunked once we found out France was right about WMDs.

What you don't recognize is that you don't add anything to the equation. You claim to be a Kerry supporter, but when Bush wins you now proclaim with joy that the country will now go to hell in a handbasket and that you are looking forward with glee to see it happen.

Being an American Citizen brings with it the responsibility to participate in the selection of your leaders and the debate the issues of the day along the way. You may have accomplished part one, but your hate mongering, finger pointing and absurd rhetoric are a pathetic cop-out of an attempt at part 2.

Wow, exactly where was he hate mongoring? You sound a little more hateful in my opinion. Take a moment relax and breath out slowly. Just because he doesn't agree with the president, doesn't mean he needs to move to another country. And it doesn't make him a hate mongorer.

Its also absurd when CKGunslinger starts reffering to people lying and cheating and that's when they'er going too far. CKG, do you think the liberals are lygin cheating? If not then why are you preaching about it. I'm sure there are liberals that do that sort of thing, but there also conservatives that do too. Yet, you seem to be implying that this a problem primarily with liberals which is just silly.

Debate and questiong of the leadership is good for this country. Sure lying and half truths are not, but both parties are doing this, so lets not point fingers and lets just fix the problem.

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: tss4

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I dunno, they seem to flock to wherever I am.

Tiles2Tech, exdeath, and a couple of other forgettables.

I find their logic funny too; it was the same "why don't you move to France" mentality before the war that got debunked once we found out France was right about WMDs.

What you don't recognize is that you don't add anything to the equation. You claim to be a Kerry supporter, but when Bush wins you now proclaim with joy that the country will now go to hell in a handbasket and that you are looking forward with glee to see it happen.

Being an American Citizen brings with it the responsibility to participate in the selection of your leaders and the debate the issues of the day along the way. You may have accomplished part one, but your hate mongering, finger pointing and absurd rhetoric are a pathetic cop-out of an attempt at part 2.

Wow, exactly where was he hate mongoring? You sound a little more hateful in my opinion. Take a moment relax and breath out slowly. Just because he doesn't agree with the president, doesn't mean he needs to move to another country. And it doesn't make him a hate mongorer.

My response takes into account his other P&N posts today. Seriously, search fopr JPeyton in P&N and you will some of the worst drivel in a forum of drivel. Not that there aren't idiots on both sides of the fence, but he, inparticular, has rubbed me the wrong way today...

 

[imported_tss4]

I'll take your word for it

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: tss4

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I dunno, they seem to flock to wherever I am.

Tiles2Tech, exdeath, and a couple of other forgettables.

I find their logic funny too; it was the same "why don't you move to France" mentality before the war that got debunked once we found out France was right about WMDs.

What you don't recognize is that you don't add anything to the equation. You claim to be a Kerry supporter, but when Bush wins you now proclaim with joy that the country will now go to hell in a handbasket and that you are looking forward with glee to see it happen.

Being an American Citizen brings with it the responsibility to participate in the selection of your leaders and the debate the issues of the day along the way. You may have accomplished part one, but your hate mongering, finger pointing and absurd rhetoric are a pathetic cop-out of an attempt at part 2.

Wow, exactly where was he hate mongoring? You sound a little more hateful in my opinion. Take a moment relax and breath out slowly. Just because he doesn't agree with the president, doesn't mean he needs to move to another country. And it doesn't make him a hate mongorer.

Its also absurd when CKGunslinger starts reffering to people lying and cheating and that's when they'er going too far. CKG, do you think the liberals are lygin cheating? If not then why are you preaching about it. I'm sure there are liberals that do that sort of thing, but there also conservatives that do too. Yet, you seem to be implying that this a problem primarily with liberals which is just silly.

Debate and questiong of the leadership is good for this country. Sure lying and half truths are not, but both parties are doing this, so lets not point fingers and lets just fix the problem.

Umm.. no. I didn't mention the word liberal at all in my post, now did I? Maybe you haven't read all the posts in this board over the last 12 hours, but I have read some that make me cringe. Some of them were locked, some were not. Some of them were against Bush, some of them were for. I'll not call out names, but they are there.

Politics doesn't play into how I feel about America. Even though I didn't like him, I supported Clinton's good deeds and denounced his bad ones. I never threatened to leave the country or hoped that we'd get attacked to "prove" that Clinton was not a good president. It has nothing to do with "liberals" or "conservatives." Please take your Label Maker 3000 elsewhere, I'm not using it here.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Where are the people who make this sort of statement living?
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If you live in a free country and don't accept THAT, then it is possible you are living in the wrong country, because that's what democracies and free speech are founded on; the right of the people to hold any opinion they wish, and express it without fear.

We are NOT a democracy. We are a Republic. We have ALWAYS been a Republic and we WILL ALWAYS be a Republic. And it seems that the right of the people to have an opinion and express it worked out, no?

And please, try not to lecture us on how to be Americans.

Thanks!