If you accidentally get a girl pregnant

[Boo Boo]

Alphathree33


you must be my brother

 

[voodoodrul]

My son lives with me half the time and my ex half the time. I pay child support at the same rate as if I had run away and had nothing to do with my son, because the law is broken..

They take about 25% of my take home income.. Taxes take another 25%.. So you get the picture.

And not to mention the tens of thousands spent arguing in court to set up joint custody in the first place..

So it's a real fun game. Yay for crazy women who change their mind because they think they can. =o/

 

[voodoodrul]

Originally posted by: jpbelauskas

Originally posted by: jpbelauskas

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Man accidentally gets girl pregnant. Man wants abortion. Woman does not. They take it to court. Who wins? Why?
Reverse situation. Man wants the child, woman does not. Take it to court. Who wins?

when men can have babies we'll talk.

I've got a problem with this statement. the same rule should apply for the woman as well. responsibilty. if they aren't willing to take responsibility they shouldn't do the deed. if they do the deed and don't want the child, the father should have 50% say in what happens to the child regardless of who is carrying the baby. maybe the dad wants the kid? why can't he have it? why can't the mom pay CHSUP? who cares if she has to carry the kid for 9 months. It's only nine months (and please don't take it the wrong way, I have a child and know what my wife went through) of her life and she can give the kid to the father who is willing to take "responsibilty" for the child and walk away.

Exactly.. And both women and the courts don't care. How a baby is "a woman's choice" is beyond me. It's a human choice. That baby is not your body. If the father wants it, suck it up, be a "man", and learn to accept some responsibility.

But I'm preaching to the choir here.. Women want all the candy and none of the work.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Man accidentally gets girl pregnant. Man wants abortion. Woman does not. They take it to court. Who wins? Why?
Reverse situation. Man wants the child, woman does not. Take it to court. Who wins?

when men can have babies we'll talk.

A woman can abdicate her parental responsibilities at any time, and at her option, and the father is severely affected by this decision.

Granted child support and custody is supposed to be about the welfare of the child, not the parents, but the reality is not like that, and leaves a lot to be desired in every way.

Legally and morally, the woman's ability to have a baby has nothing to do with this, though practically speaking it does.

I'm still waiting for the first adoptive parents to go after a birth father for child support.

 

[Siva]

This thread is stupid and ignores all logical courses of action. If you accidentally get a girl pregnant and don't want that baby, then just accidentally push her down the stairs. As a father of none I can give my own personal guarantee that this is an effective birth control strategy.

 

[Siva]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus


Because it's her body and she's carrying it that's why.

The law is required to be fair, but as it is now, it's completely one sided. It can also be abused. If the woman wants to collect a bunch of free money, she can get pregnant by a bunch of different fathers, keep the kids for herself, and collect several paychecks every month. This is common.

Something needs to be changed to even out the law. Either make it an option for the man to require her to have a kid in the event that she wants an abortion and he doesn't, or at least remove his financial responsibility in the event that he wants an abortion and she doesn't.

But the way it is now, she can intentionally get knocked up, kick him out, keep the kid, and still collect a check.

I think there is nothing worth changing in the law. If the man doesn't want a baby, he shouldn't have unprotected sex. Otherwise he has the option of taking an active part in raising the child that he is helping to support.

A man can't force a woman to have an abortion just like he can't force a woman not to. Its a consequence of having abortions legal. If I had to make such an important decision that will affect the rest of my life, I wouldn't want anyone else to have the final say except myself.

All of this is common sense, its not unfair or biased, its just the way things work out naturally. Until all babies are grown in test tubes there will have to be differences in the way things are for both genders.

 

[ballmode]

accident doesnt mean anything

 

[GuitarDaddy]

So whens the shotgun wedding?

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Stupid server lag

 

[toolboxolio]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Man accidentally gets girl pregnant. Man wants abortion. Woman does not. They take it to court. Who wins? Why?
Reverse situation. Man wants the child, woman does not. Take it to court. Who wins?

when men can have babies we'll talk.

When men have the right to abort, we'll listen.

 

[mrjminer]

Marry her. Divorce her. Sue for spousal support.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: Alphathree33
Disclaimer: This is completely hypothetical. I'm genuinely curious because I don't know the answer. However, I know there are a bunch of 12-year-olds who will post two-word flames. I wish the mods would delete these posts.

So, yeah. Man has sex with woman. Woman gets pregnant (e.g. condom breaks, lies about birth control, pull out too late, etc.).

Baby undeniably belongs to man (e.g. man doesn't deny it, DNA shows it, etc.)

Man decides he wants nothing to do with woman and never speaks to her again.

Is woman now entitled to sue man/ask for child support/etc.? If so, what can the man do in response?

Please don't turn this into a thread about MORALS. It's obvious that guys who do this are pretty scummy. I'm just curious about how the law handles it.

I believe it goes by state. I know in Pennsylvania the father can sign his rights away to the child and will not be fincially obligated, that is unless he is married, then he takes it hard.

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: Alphathree33
Disclaimer: This is completely hypothetical. I'm genuinely curious because I don't know the answer. However, I know there are a bunch of 12-year-olds who will post two-word flames. I wish the mods would delete these posts.

So, yeah. Man has sex with woman. Woman gets pregnant (e.g. condom breaks, lies about birth control, pull out too late, etc.).

Baby undeniably belongs to man (e.g. man doesn't deny it, DNA shows it, etc.)

Man decides he wants nothing to do with woman and never speaks to her again.

Is woman now entitled to sue man/ask for child support/etc.? If so, what can the man do in response?

Please don't turn this into a thread about MORALS. It's obvious that guys who do this are pretty scummy. I'm just curious about how the law handles it.

i'm not reading thru 200 posts.

my opinion-> yup, you're on the hook for the next 18yrs on child support, unless she gets married b4 then.

op, update your 1st post on the concensus!

 

[erickj92]

I would tell her sorry, and then work things out. NOT runing away...

 

[Schadenfreude]

Originally posted by: Syrch
yup, IF she persues it, and she will, then you are obligated by law

 

[GunsMadeAmericaFree]

What about if a one night stand YOU ONLY HAD ORAL SEX WITH goes into the bathroom later, gets your condom out, and squirts your semen into herself, getting herself pregnant? You never had vaginal sex with her, and no reasonable person would expect a child from what happened.

However, DNA tests would show the child to be yours. Lie detector tests, however, would show that you never did anything that would have caused a child.

So, what would happen in this situation?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: GunsMadeAmericaFree
What about if a one night stand YOU ONLY HAD ORAL SEX WITH goes into the bathroom later, gets your condom out, and squirts your semen into herself, getting herself pregnant? You never had vaginal sex with her, and no reasonable person would expect a child from what happened.

However, DNA tests would show the child to be yours. Lie detector tests, however, would show that you never did anything that would have caused a child.

So, what would happen in this situation?

wouldnt matter. you are still teh father of the child.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: GunsMadeAmericaFree
What about if a one night stand YOU ONLY HAD ORAL SEX WITH goes into the bathroom later, gets your condom out, and squirts your semen into herself, getting herself pregnant? You never had vaginal sex with her, and no reasonable person would expect a child from what happened.

However, DNA tests would show the child to be yours. Lie detector tests, however, would show that you never did anything that would have caused a child.

So, what would happen in this situation?

wouldnt matter. you are still teh father of the child.

ding

Polygraph tests are also not admissible as evidence in all states and you can't actually force her to take one. Your word against hers (i.e. you lose).

 

[illusion88]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: GunsMadeAmericaFree
What about if a one night stand YOU ONLY HAD ORAL SEX WITH goes into the bathroom later, gets your condom out, and squirts your semen into herself, getting herself pregnant? You never had vaginal sex with her, and no reasonable person would expect a child from what happened.

However, DNA tests would show the child to be yours. Lie detector tests, however, would show that you never did anything that would have caused a child.

So, what would happen in this situation?

wouldnt matter. you are still teh father of the child.

ding

Polygraph tests are also not admissible as evidence in all states and you can't actually force her to take one. Your word against hers (i.e. you lose).

Wrong.
You can't foresee this consequence for having oral sex. You aren't responsible for that child. You can even sue her!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c...n/a/2005/02/24/national/a095250S07.DTL
and
http://www.goofball.com/news/INC20050306222309

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: illusion88

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: GunsMadeAmericaFree
What about if a one night stand YOU ONLY HAD ORAL SEX WITH goes into the bathroom later, gets your condom out, and squirts your semen into herself, getting herself pregnant? You never had vaginal sex with her, and no reasonable person would expect a child from what happened.

However, DNA tests would show the child to be yours. Lie detector tests, however, would show that you never did anything that would have caused a child.

So, what would happen in this situation?

wouldnt matter. you are still teh father of the child.

ding

Polygraph tests are also not admissible as evidence in all states and you can't actually force her to take one. Your word against hers (i.e. you lose).

Wrong.
You can't foresee this consequence for having oral sex. You aren't responsible for that child. You can even sue her!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c...n/a/2005/02/24/national/a095250S07.DTL
and
http://www.goofball.com/news/INC20050306222309

well in teh first one he still has to pay child support...

Nearly two years after their affair, Irons filed a paternity suit and Phillips was ordered to pay $800 a month in child support, said Irons' attorney, Enrico Mirabelli.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: illusion88

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: GunsMadeAmericaFree
What about if a one night stand YOU ONLY HAD ORAL SEX WITH goes into the bathroom later, gets your condom out, and squirts your semen into herself, getting herself pregnant? You never had vaginal sex with her, and no reasonable person would expect a child from what happened.

However, DNA tests would show the child to be yours. Lie detector tests, however, would show that you never did anything that would have caused a child.

So, what would happen in this situation?

wouldnt matter. you are still teh father of the child.

ding

Polygraph tests are also not admissible as evidence in all states and you can't actually force her to take one. Your word against hers (i.e. you lose).

Wrong.
You can't foresee this consequence for having oral sex. You aren't responsible for that child. You can even sue her!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c...n/a/2005/02/24/national/a095250S07.DTL
and
http://www.goofball.com/news/INC20050306222309

he still lost....

 

[imported_Baloo]

Accidentally get a girl pregnant? There is no way to accidentally get a girl pregnant. Oops, I accidentally put something in there and squirted. See, it does not work. And yes, you would have legal obligations.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: illusion88

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: GunsMadeAmericaFree
What about if a one night stand YOU ONLY HAD ORAL SEX WITH goes into the bathroom later, gets your condom out, and squirts your semen into herself, getting herself pregnant? You never had vaginal sex with her, and no reasonable person would expect a child from what happened.

However, DNA tests would show the child to be yours. Lie detector tests, however, would show that you never did anything that would have caused a child.

So, what would happen in this situation?

wouldnt matter. you are still teh father of the child.

ding

Polygraph tests are also not admissible as evidence in all states and you can't actually force her to take one. Your word against hers (i.e. you lose).

Wrong.
You can't foresee this consequence for having oral sex. You aren't responsible for that child. You can even sue her!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c...n/a/2005/02/24/national/a095250S07.DTL
and
http://www.goofball.com/news/INC20050306222309

he still lost....

yeah i don't think he read the full article. since it is at the bottom where it says he was told to pay child support.

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: illusion88

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: GunsMadeAmericaFree
What about if a one night stand YOU ONLY HAD ORAL SEX WITH goes into the bathroom later, gets your condom out, and squirts your semen into herself, getting herself pregnant? You never had vaginal sex with her, and no reasonable person would expect a child from what happened.

However, DNA tests would show the child to be yours. Lie detector tests, however, would show that you never did anything that would have caused a child.

So, what would happen in this situation?

wouldnt matter. you are still teh father of the child.

ding

Polygraph tests are also not admissible as evidence in all states and you can't actually force her to take one. Your word against hers (i.e. you lose).

Wrong.
You can't foresee this consequence for having oral sex. You aren't responsible for that child. You can even sue her!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c...n/a/2005/02/24/national/a095250S07.DTL
and
http://www.goofball.com/news/INC20050306222309

he still lost....

yeah i don't think he read the full article. since it is at the bottom where it says he was told to pay child support.

How long can sperm even live outside the body?

 

[Kanalua]

Originally posted by: Alphathree33
Disclaimer: This is completely hypothetical. I'm genuinely curious because I don't know the answer. However, I know there are a bunch of 12-year-olds who will post two-word flames. I wish the mods would delete these posts.

So, yeah. Man has sex with woman. Woman gets pregnant (e.g. condom breaks, lies about birth control, pull out too late, etc.).

Baby undeniably belongs to man (e.g. man doesn't deny it, DNA shows it, etc.)

Man decides he wants nothing to do with woman and never speaks to her again.

Is woman now entitled to sue man/ask for child support/etc.? If so, what can the man do in response?

Please don't turn this into a thread about MORALS. It's obvious that guys who do this are pretty scummy. I'm just curious about how the law handles it.

Way too late to decide you do not want anything to do with it. The second you get your sperm anywhere near vagina, you are way past the point of not wanting anything to do with that girl.

Has nobody learned how babies are made? you have sex, or even "fool around" with a female, and there is a chance she will get pregnant...what is so confusing?