If you accidentally get a girl pregnant

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: xSauronx

Originally posted by: Lothar
My main issue with these are...

If a billionaire man and woman tango, and she becomes pregnant and they start raising the child together.
Three years later, they go on the "Maury show" and the man gets the suprise "You are not the father" statement, why is that guy still obligated to keep paying child support even though it's not from his sperm and he's not the biological father?

Child support? Who determines the amount and how exactly is it determined?
Why should a billionaire have to be paying thousands/month to support a single child?
It does not take $5,000/month to support a single child...VS...someone else who's in the same situation with a lower salary and only pays $300/month.

And yes, remember to wash your underwears with bleach...Don't let anyone do laundry for you because it's quite possible for a woman to get impregnated from days old masturbated sperm.

wtf?

I'm trying to understand the American system more...I'm not originally from here.
From all the things I saw on these talk shows "Maury Show", "Ricki Lake", "Jenny Jones", and whatever other talkshows do these "Suprise, You are NOT the father" crap DNA tests that I'm missing) is what I explained in the 1st two paragraphs and wanted to know more about.
If a guy on the Maury Show finds out 3 years later that the kid is not his, and later divorces...Does he have to be paying child support eventhough he's not the biological parent, while the real father is out there running amok somwhere?

Why do they go on stage to solve their family problems? Are they actually real problems or they just get people to makeup stories for entertainment? Do the people coming on stage to tell the world their family problems get paid?

As a foreigner who came here just 10 yrs ago, watching all those talkshows in middle school gave me teh chuckles.
Of course I don't have time to watch them now because of what I'm studying.
But I still watch Maury during summer & holidays for entertainment.
I think they still have the "You are not the father" type episodes twice a month at least.

I want an answer to the italicized part at least.

 

[Banzai042]

I find it interesting that if a guy gets a girl pregnant and he didn't want to the response is "Well you shouldn't have had sex if you didn't want kids," but if a girl gets pregnant it's "You can still have sex, just go get an abortion."
And for the record I would say that unless the guy genuinely had no say in her getting pregnant (like the story of a girl who used a used condom to impregnate herself, don't know if it's true, but it's a good example in this case), then he does need to pay child support.

Here's a question: What if the dad wants to take a more active role in raising the kid and goes for a 50/50 split on time with the kid after a certain age, but the mother wants limited visitation rights and more child support, what happens then?

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: Bryophyte

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Lothar
And yes, remember to wash your underwears with bleach...Don't let anyone do laundry for you because it's quite possible for a woman to get impregnated from days old masturbated sperm.

Dude... You need to stop listening to Tom Leykis.

Who that?

Just the craziness of some of these things disturbs me...
I have no problem with a male who knowingly engages himself in sex and has to pay child support, but what if he didn't and the woman gets impregnated from a bath towel or something?

Would be pretty hard for the guy to disprove he didn't "do it" with her in court...

Do you honestly think women are just dying to have your babies so badly that you're in danger of them stuffing your underwear or bathtowels into their vaginas? Have you considered getting checked for schizophrenia?

Sarcasm meter on?

Where did I say/think that someone is dying to have my babies?
Have you considered getting checked for PKU? If not, I highly recommend that you do.

The washcloths/bathtowels part came from someone who posted a story earlier in this thread about it on page 5.
Learn how to read.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Man accidentally gets girl pregnant. Man wants abortion. Woman does not. They take it to court. Who wins? Why?
Reverse situation. Man wants the child, woman does not. Take it to court. Who wins?

when men can have babies we'll talk.

So if the woman wants an abortion but the man is willing to raise the child and assume all responsibility it's OK that the woman can abort the child? I suppose that means your previous statement of "Don't wanna be a daddy, don't stick the babymaker where that might happen." doesn't have equal responsibility on the woman's side of "Don't wanna be a mommy, don't let a guy into your babymaker where it might happen".

Now, yes, it's different in cases of rape and such, but if the sex was consentual, why should the woman be allowed to abort the child if the man is willing to take all parental responsibilities?

ZV

QFT.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus


Because it's her body and she's carrying it that's why.

The law is required to be fair, but as it is now, it's completely one sided. It can also be abused. If the woman wants to collect a bunch of free money, she can get pregnant by a bunch of different fathers, keep the kids for herself, and collect several paychecks every month. This is common.

Something needs to be changed to even out the law. Either make it an option for the man to require her to have a kid in the event that she wants an abortion and he doesn't, or at least remove his financial responsibility in the event that he wants an abortion and she doesn't.

But the way it is now, she can intentionally get knocked up, kick him out, keep the kid, and still collect a check.

 

[Eeezee]

All she is allowed to seek is child support. You never got married, so all of your stuff is still yours, but a huge chunk of your paycheck will be garnished for the next 18 years unless you can prove the baby's not yours.

My uncle is going through a similar problem, his ex-girlfriend refuses to get blood work done but continues garnishing his wages. He will go to court, she won't show up, so the court rewards him all of his money for the past however many years but she returns to court and somehow gets that money back. He always asks for a blood test to prove the kids are not his, but somehow her lawyer talks the judge out of it.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
If you want to state your income and mom's income i can tell you exactly how much the monthly payments will be...

Well, the guy I saw on the "Maury show" looked like trash...Lets say $42k/yr.
The woman looked like a trash also...Lets say $38k/yr.

How much will the child support be?
Post the formula you used to calculate also.

Those figures are way high for trashy people.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Welcome to a world really run by women. When it comes to children, as a man you have no say in anything. If she gets pregnant you have no rights about the child. I find it funny that women want equality and what not, but if they have a kid, screw equality, they will do whatever they can to get $$$ from the man.
It's pretty sad. All the people saying do have sex if you're not prepared to have a kid, look at it from a rational point of view. The woman knows she can get pregnant and thus should not have sex unless she is prepared to have the kid and pay for it her own damn self.

men do have a say silly. they can have sex or not. there's your say.

But assuming that both want to have sex and something happens, their options are vastly different. The man is at a huge disadvantage compared to the woman. This is not fair.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
If you want to state your income and mom's income i can tell you exactly how much the monthly payments will be...

Well, the guy I saw on the "Maury show" looked like trash...Lets say $42k/yr.
The woman looked like a trash also...Lets say $38k/yr.

How much will the child support be?
Post the formula you used to calculate also.

Those figures are way high for trashy people.

I just wanted him to post the formula...I don't care about the numbers.
And yes, I've seen trashy people who make that income...I make less as a student, and I still dress better.

If it makes you happy I'll lower each by $20K then...hows that

 

[RaiderJ]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Alphathree33
If so, what can the man do in response?

Bend over and take it in the ass financially for the next 18 years.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

What if the woman makes several times as much money as the man and the man wants a part in raising the child? Does the woman have to pay the man child support?

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
The law is required to be fair, but as it is now, it's completely one sided. It can also be abused. If the woman wants to collect a bunch of free money, she can get pregnant by a bunch of different fathers, keep the kids for herself, and collect several paychecks every month. This is common.

All those single moms with five kids really live luxurious lifestyles don't they? :disgust:

 

[lithium726]

My roommate did this. Went the scumbag route too, the 'I don't care, not my problem, im not talking to you anymore' route.

He was so, so lucky when she had a miscarriage.

Needless to say, he isn't going to be my roommate much longer.

 

[13Gigatons]

Every man should get one: http://www.vasectomy.com/index.htm

 

[marvdmartian]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Alphathree33
If so, what can the man do in response?

Bend over and take it in the ass financially for the next 18 years.

ROFLMAO Yeah, that pretty much sums it up!

Irregardless of whether you want any parental responsibility or not, it's still your child, and your responsibility.......and your monthly child support payment. The only way I could see getting out of it is if the mother didn't want child support, or if she later married, and wanted the new guy to be the father.....then they might offer a deal, where the biological father signs away all rights forever, in exchange for not having to pay support.

Believe it or not, a buddy at work was offered that by his ex, for his 3 kids......and these kids were 12, 10 & 8 years old!! Yeah, I'm sure he'd really want to throw away that sort of emotional investment for financial freedom! :roll:

 

[Special K]

Haven't there also been cases where a man who donates to a sperm bank is forced to pay child support to the woman who used his sperm to become pregnant, even though the man obviously didn't even know the woman?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Special K
Haven't there also been cases where a man who donates to a sperm bank is forced to pay child support to the woman who used his sperm to become pregnant, even though the man obviously didn't even know the woman?

yeap. 2-3 cases of it.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Special K
Haven't there also been cases where a man who donates to a sperm bank is forced to pay child support to the woman who used his sperm to become pregnant, even though the man obviously didn't even know the woman?

yeap. 2-3 cases of it.

I'm pretty sure there's going to be a lot of cases in the UK soon.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3407031.stm

 

[WackyDan]

Originally posted by: Lothar
My main issue with these are...

If a billionaire man and woman tango, and she becomes pregnant and they start raising the child together.
Three years later, they go on the "Maury show" and the man gets the suprise "You are not the father" statement, why is that guy still obligated to keep paying child support even though it's not from his sperm and he's not the biological father?

Child support? Who determines the amount and how exactly is it determined?
Why should a billionaire have to be paying thousands/month to support a single child?
It does not take $5,000/month to support a single child...VS...someone else who's in the same situation with a lower salary and only pays $300/month.

And yes, remember to wash your underwears with bleach...Don't let anyone do laundry for you because it's quite possible for a woman to get impregnated from days old masturbated sperm.

Other than the fact that you should research the lifespan of sperm out side the body.....

DNA does not absolve a man from paying support. There are countless cases of where a man was not the biological father but still was held accountable for support. AGain, Our system is leveraged on the the side of the child. Yes, I think that is wrong.

As far as women having all the rights.... it's really the child that has all the rights, and the family court system will almost always side on the maternal needs of the child - hence why it seems the man gets screwed. Child support is indeed leveraged in an unfair amount in too many instances.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: blackllotus
All those single moms with five kids really live luxurious lifestyles don't they? :disgust:

Yep, off WIC, food stamps and welfare checks .

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Special K
Haven't there also been cases where a man who donates to a sperm bank is forced to pay child support to the woman who used his sperm to become pregnant, even though the man obviously didn't even know the woman?

yeap. 2-3 cases of it.

I'm pretty sure there's going to be a lot of cases in the UK soon.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3407031.stm

yeah they are talking about doing that in the US also.

 

[Metron]

Originally posted by: Kur
What happens when the mother refueses to work things out with the father and refuses to share custody of the child but still wants to the father to pay child support, what happens then?

The Woman Always Wins... even if you're not *really* the child's father

 

[rasczak]

DP

 

[rasczak]

Originally posted by: jpbelauskas

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Man accidentally gets girl pregnant. Man wants abortion. Woman does not. They take it to court. Who wins? Why?
Reverse situation. Man wants the child, woman does not. Take it to court. Who wins?

when men can have babies we'll talk.

I've got a problem with this statement. the same rule should apply for the woman as well. responsibilty. if they aren't willing to take responsibility they shouldn't do the deed. if they do the deed and don't want the child, the father should have 50% say in what happens to the child regardless of who is carrying the baby. maybe the dad wants the kid? why can't he have it? why can't the mom pay CHSUP? who cares if she has to carry the kid for 9 months. It's only nine months (and please don't take it the wrong way, I have a child and know what my wife went through) of her life and she can give the kid to the father who is willing to take "responsibilty" for the child and walk away.

 

[erickj92]

Im a guy and I think if it is the womans fault she got prgnant then the guy should not have to pay child support....