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Tom said:
The poverty rate for blacks is about 25%, which means 75% are above poverty.
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above poverty != successful

30k for a median FAMILY income is not success.

Also, provide sources for the numbers you are providing, as I provided them for mine.
 
nick1985 said:
above poverty != successful

30k for a median FAMILY income is not success.

Also, provide sources for the numbers you are providing, as I provided them for mine.
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http://www.census.gov/Press-Release...cts_for_features_special_editions/013007.html

poverty rate is 24.5%

btw, median income is $34k, which is 2nd highest of all minority groups.

The median income would be higher except for the issue of single mother households which are among the poorest groups in the US.

This group is a sizeable minority of black households, but it is a minority, which means my statement that "most" blacks are successful isn't contradicted.
 
dmcowen674 said:
Epic FAIL

You FAIL to mention Bush lowered taxes for the rich.
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Since only the rich pay taxes. How can anyone lower taxes for anyone other then the rich? ~50% of working americans pay NOTHING in income tax, they even get money back.

Of course there is other taxes, however, most of those other taxes aren't levied against the poor, they are against the rich.
 
2Xtreme21 said:
Great analogy. And how am I wrong? Conservatives have historically been on the wrong side of progress every step of the way. Must scare them or something. THE THOUGHT OF A BLACK MAN USING THE SAME WATER FOUNTAIN AS A WHITE MAN? LORD HAVE MERCY!
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Maybes its time for the black man to progress as well and move past the slavery issue and become productive memebrs of society.
 
2Xtreme21 said:
...IN 1942....

Let's see, 1 year versus...

1600-1964 = 364 years.

Not to mention, Japanese people weren't shipped over in boatloads to the US to be used as cotton pickers for, well, 265 years (give or take).
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Moron, no one that is alive today was shipped here in a boat to pick cotton. The simple fact that many poor blacks do get jobs and get out, even if it is a little harder makes your BS nothing more than an excuse. Stop the victim mentality, and then there's no excuse.

True, but I think we can come to a concensus that 30k for an entire family isnt success
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Oh I don't know, I think it depends on where you live, and how you live, and what your definition of success is. I see a lot of people that bring their own financial destruction upon themselves, taking on too many payments and being irresponsible with their money.
 
nick1985 said:
Black households have a median income of 30,000

http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/income_wealth/005647.html

I wouldn't say most blacks are successful. 30,000 for a household is pretty piss poor.
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To understand how bad 30k is, one must look at how much a household with 2 working people would earn if both were making minimum wage and working full time.
Federal minimum wage in the US is 7.25:
$7.25/hour * 40 hours/week * 52 weeks/year * 2 people = $30,160

Fuuuuuuuuuuck. Average black household makes minimum wage 🙁

If I'm reading wikipedia graphs correctly, much of the problem is caused by households only having 1 working person. Either 2 adults and 1 income or lots of people living alone or as single parents.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States

Notice the difference between "personal" and "household" for each race. Asian families have the highest percentage of 2-income households, followed by white, hispanic, then black. Black households have the lowest household income because the household only has 1 income. While the personal income of black people is relatively close to that of Asian people (maybe 20-30% difference), Asian households have twice as much income.

In summary, the poorest race (black) is very close to the richest race (Asian) on a personal level. In my opinion, it's close enough to say both races are equal on a personal level. Asian people are rich as fuck because both parents are working. Black people are poor as fuck because only 1 person is working.

To add a bit of anecdote to this, my dad worked while my mom stayed home to raise me and my brother. This went on until I was about 10 years old, and we lived like poor people during that time. My parents drove cars that were 15 years old, we had no name versions of everything, most of my clothes were handed down from my brother and the rest was from K-Mart or thrift stores. Everything radically changed when my mom went back to being a secretary earning a modest 30k. We had better food, parents bought new cars, I got a new computer, they repainted the walls and replaced the linoleum floor, we got a new garage door so we didn't look so poor, we got a snow blower so we didn't need to shovel snow again. That extra income makes a huge difference.
 
Let's not forget that Blacks, for GENERATIONS, were killed for even trying to learn how to spell.

Whites granted themselves a 400 year head start on education...which is the cornerstone of financial stability.

Willie Lynch went into GREAT detail on how to keep Blacks enslaved. Those effects, I'm afraid, will always be felt in some form or fashion. The biggest is how Black men & women were kept from each other...which is how light-skinned people exist. White slavemaster (or son) impregnates Black slave woman...boom. Light-skinned black person.

Because of this, Black households were never on-par with other races.

I just love how history is thrown out there to highlight the good of America, but placed in a dark corner to hide the BAD of America. All of this occurred, and just like the effects the 1770's (the "becoming" of America) are still felt today, so is slavery.

Men lie, women lie, and numbers can be skewed. Visual evidence cannot lie.
 
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TechHead87 said:
Let's not forget that Blacks, for GENERATIONS, were killed for even trying to learn how to spell.

Whites granted themselves a 400 year head start on education...which is the cornerstone of financial stability.

Willie Lynch went into GREAT detail on how to keep Blacks enslaved. Those effects, I'm afraid, will always be felt in some form or fashion. The biggest is how Black men & women were kept from each other...which is how light-skinned people exist. White slavemaster (or son) impregnates Black slave woman...boom. Light-skinned black person.

Because of this, Black households were never on-par with other races.

I just love how history is thrown out there to highlight the good of America, but placed in a dark corner to hide the BAD of America. All of this occurred, and just like the effects the 1770's (the "becoming" of America) are still felt today, so is slavery.

Men lie, women lie, and numbers can be skewed. Visual evidence cannot lie.
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And all 400 years of educational 'head start' is available to blacks (and everyone else) today. They just don't take advantage of it because it's cooler to become a gansta drug dealer. Everyone knows this.
 
TechHead87 said:
Let's not forget that Blacks, for GENERATIONS, were killed for even trying to learn how to spell.

Whites granted themselves a 400 year head start on education...which is the cornerstone of financial stability.
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Not a very good excuse. My lab partner in my programmable logic controllers class is a black man from Congo. He came here with no money and very little education, and he's still a bit hard to understand because of his thick accent, but he's graduating from electrical engineering this week (our last final is tomorrow). Not only that, but he's married and has 2 kids.

Being uneducated or unemployed or a "baby daddy" is not a black people thing. My lab partner is as dark it gets and he has none of those attributes. The other black guy in my class is also from Africa, not sure which country, but he's basically the same. He left his home with no money, he moved to a French part of Belgium, then he moved to Montreal, then he moved to Edmonton. He's graduating this week, he is married, and he had twins in October. I assure you neither of these people are geniuses who just beat the odds for some reason. They're both average students with average grades. They're successful because they put effort into everything they do.

Societal racism might be an issue, but the argument quoted is about money and education. Both of the black guys in my engineering classes started with no money and very little education, but they overcame it because they are hard working people and they are as family-oriented as it gets (it's easier to overcome problems when you have a wife to help you). Actually, most black people I've met (in Canada) were exactly the same as everyone else. The 3 or 4 black kids in my mostly Italian high school sounded as white as everyone else and none of them were trouble makers. The black immigrant I worked with when I was in road construction said he was looking to find a wife and he said he wanted something like "a christian girl with strong values".

The problems seen in black communities in the US are completely baffling to me. The black people I've met who are actually from Africa are absolutely nothing like that. Immigrants with radically different backgrounds are more similar to my African class mates than they are to the black community in the US. My Vietnamese friend's parents are first generation immigrants from when the Vietnam War ended and they are both very successful; one manages a restaurant and one works in a factory that prints business cards. My electronics instructor is from Romania and he had to re-take a lot of engineering classes in order to get accreditation in Canada, so basically he started with a shit job and he worked his way up from there. One of my math teachers is also from Romania and her story is very similar. One of my class mates is from Pakistan and he came here with nothing; he worked random jobs to save for university and he currently works part time at a gas station (lol) while attending full time classes. The guy from China who already has a degree in engineering and is just trying to get credit in Canada works full time to pay for all of this. I'm surrounded by immigrants who started with nothing and many of them couldn't even speak English when they came here, but they are still successful.
 
How come all of the white farmers are still dependent on farm aid? Why can't the move past generations of dependency on the govt and pull themselves up by their bootstraps?
 
marincounty said:
How come all of the white farmers are still dependent on farm aid? Why can't the move past generations of dependency on the govt and pull themselves up by their bootstraps?
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Mostly due to free trade. US farmers use machinery that costs a quarter of a million dollars. Farmers in South America or China get it done by having dozens of people working slave wages. There's really no way a US farmer can compete against foreign farmers when it comes to price, so the only way to keep US farming alive is to have subsidies.

So why do these subsidies exist? Why should we care about US farming? Because it's a matter of national security. For as long as USA is capable of feeding 100% of its own people without any imports, no country can use food as a bargaining chip the way Arabs use oil as a bargaining chip. If subsidies stopped and farmers all closed shop to work in the city or do something else, suddenly the US absolutely needs food imports just to stay alive. That kind of power is something you absolutely do not want to give to another country.

Similarly, this is why Britain has historically had the best navy in the world. The Island nation does not grow enough food to feed everyone, so it relies on imports from other countries or other parts of the empire under British control. If any country were able to block Britain's trade of food (ie Nazi Germany), the country can be taken down simply by starving people to death.
 
nick1985 said:
How many generations do they need to be able to stand on their own two feet? Slavery was abolished 150 years ago and I dont see a trend changing anytime soon.

Label me what you may, but I call them like I see them. I am not racist, my best friend is black and I have many other friends that are black. I have no problem with black people. I have a problem with lowlife trash, and unfortunately blacks make up a disproportionately high number of this said trash. Most level headed blacks would agree with that. Listen to Bill Cosby lambaste blacks, hes spot on.

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For the record I am an equal opportunity hater. I hate white trash, as well as other forms of trash just as much as I hate black trash. Trash is trash.
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You are stupid. Simple as that. Generalizing about blacks and then using your black friends as a defensive maneuver. As someone else said, immigrants that come to this country are far more successful than the African-Americans here. This definitely includes the Africans that come to America. Case in point, Obama's father. Ironic that the first black President of the United States has no ties to African-American history, but is linked to Africa...

So stop your dumb generalizations and understand that 1) not all blacks are the same and 2) slavery may have ended 150 years ago but AAs just got civil rights 50 years ago and racism against them, even amongst immigrants, is huge.
 
Narmer said:
You are stupid. Simple as that. Generalizing about blacks and then using your black friends as a defensive maneuver. As someone else said, immigrants that come to this country are far more successful than the African-Americans here. This definitely includes the Africans that come to America. Case in point, Obama's father. Ironic that the first black President of the United States has no ties to African-American history, but is linked to Africa...

So stop your dumb generalizations and understand that 1) not all blacks are the same and 2) slavery may have ended 150 years ago but AAs just got civil rights 50 years ago and racism against them, even amongst immigrants, is huge.
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This

There's a stark difference between African-AMERICANS and any other dark species.

Some of you all need to read the Willie Lynch letter.
 
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