Not if you want to charge someone with criminal offenses in a court of law. We're STILL waiting for proof from you, instead of bluster and bullshit. :roll:
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Not if you want to charge someone with criminal offenses in a court of law. We're STILL waiting for proof from you, instead of bluster and bullshit. :roll:
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I'll bite. Please tell us whether the following nominated cabinet members are anti-America, crooks, radicals, and/or terrorists. Reasons too. I'm curious how you'd classify these senators, governors, military, and government officials.
Hillary Clinton (senator D-NY)
Tom Daschle (former senator D-SD)
Janet Napolitano (Gov AZ)
Bill Richardson (Gov NM)
Robert Gates (current Sec of Def)
James Jones (retired Marine Gen.)
Eric K. Shinseki (retired Gen.)
Timothy Geithner (president of Federal Reserve Bank of New York)
Eric Holder (former deputy AG)
Peter Orszag (director of CBO)
Lawrence Summers (former treasury secretary)
On a superficial level, it's exactly Chicago politics for most of them; they were early supporters, defenders, and fundraisers for BHO when other pols were floating for HRC or other competing candidates.
In Chicago (Cook County, Illinois), you put your friends ahead of the qualified. In HRC's case, you neuter your opponents by putting them in a position where they are easily muzzled and/or pay them off to stay out of your way...
BHO is just another Chicago (,Cook County, Illinois) politician, just another turd in the cesspool. There is absolutely nothing to differentiate him (or Michele) from any other Chicago criminal politician and puppet of the Daley Machine.
Wait and see. It's hard to judge someone's actions when they've never done anything significant.
In Chicago (Cook County, Illinois), you put your friends ahead of the qualified. In HRC's case, you neuter your opponents by putting them in a position where they are easily muzzled and/or pay them off to stay out of your way...
BHO is just another Chicago (,Cook County, Illinois) politician, just another turd in the cesspool. There is absolutely nothing to differentiate him (or Michele) from any other Chicago criminal politician and puppet of the Daley Machine.
Wait and see. It's hard to judge someone's actions when they've never done anything significant.
I'm confused as the facts seem to run totally contrary to your position. Please explain how those senators are close friends of Obama or aren't qualified. Please explain how those governors are close friends of Obama or aren't qualified. Please explain how those military personnel are close friends of Obama or aren't qualified.
Most recent selection for a cabinet position? A nobel laureate, "particularly respected in the U.S. scientific community for his acumen and judgment on public policy issues." If only all our presidents kept such company.
The current reaction to his nominees have been noting how different are to Bush's. If anything, Bush's inital cabinet appointments run closer to that incompetent / corrupt stereotype than any of Obama's. "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job" ring any bells?
Budmantom
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No it's common sense, that's why most here have a hard time grasping such a concept.
Either Obama has terrible judgment with the people he has surrounded himself with throughout the years (Wright, Rezko, Blagojevich, Ayers, etc....) or he is just another corrupt democrat or both.
I was making a point as to friendship trumping qualifications. But let's take a look at Bush's initial cabinet choices.
Linda Chavez (nominated for Secretary of Labor): never appointed after revealed she used illegal immigrants for housework.
Donald H. Rumsfeld: deceived us into Iraq, failed to find Bin Laden.
John Ashcroft: highlights include largest erosion of civil liberties since internment camps
Donald Evans: Bush's best friend received his Texas regents board position as a Bush appointee and hist first government position as a Bush appointee too.
Looks like friends were placed ahead of the qualified to me. . .
I guess you've forgotten numerous Clinton appointments with illegal immigrant problems?
In any case, Rumsfeld was confirmed hours after Bush was sworn in. You can talk about hindsight as much as you want, but the Democrats liked all these people when they were appointed. Hint: He already had experience as SecDef.
Once again, the key here is the allegation the Obama is yet another crooked Chicago politician, putting friends in over the more qualified. There was also the accusation that all the people he associated with were terrorists, anti-American, radicals, or crooks. I pointed out the fact that Obama's picks have been qualified and not all his friends.
I also pointed out Bush's repeated missteps in his choice of nominees. Pointing out that there were Clinton (who had a poor showing in the cabinet selection process) appointees who also used illegals doesn't take away from the qualifications of Obama's selections. Until you can point out the Balgo or Harriet Miers in the bunch, the claim that Obama's a crooked Chicago politician rings hollow.
I also pointed out Bush's repeated missteps in his choice of nominees. Pointing out that there were Clinton (who had a poor showing in the cabinet selection process) appointees who also used illegals doesn't take away from the qualifications of Obama's selections. Until you can point out the Balgo or Harriet Miers in the bunch, the claim that Obama's a crooked Chicago politician rings hollow.
So you're comparing 8 years worth of Bush appointments, after the fact, to 1 month worth of Obama appointments, before the fact.
OK!
Not quite. I'm using everything Obama has done so far as President to refute the claim that he's a yet another corrupt Chicago politician. That's mainly been making nominations for cabinet positions, and so far it runs contrary to the stereotype alleged. To reinforce that point, I'm contrasting Obama's qualified nominees so far to Bush's nominees.
If your criticism and complaints about Obama center about the company he keeps, and company he plans to surround himself with in his cabinet are much better than Bush's, what does that say about your view of Bush?
If I wanted to make a direct comparison of Obama's cabinet selection to Bush's, I would have brought up something like this Fox News poll.
L00PY: Are you from Chicago, Cook County, or Illinois? Have you followed any of the news from Chicago, Cook County, or Illinois?
Do you have any concept of how deep, organized, and long-lived the corruption is in Chicago, Cook County, Illinois?
Do you really think anyone could swim in this cesspool and come out smelling like a rose?
IF you are not from this area, what is your source of such great optimism? Website? Newspaper? SPecifically, where are you getting information that is 180 degrees from reality that is causing such positive opinions? D'ya have that warm & fuzzy Camalot mental image?
Like I said, let's wait & see; you can't criticize someone (who's done nothing {zero, zip, nada, bupkis ...} of any merit) until you see them do something / don't do something they promised. I'm looking forward to your great disappointment, but we'll see.
Otherwise, IMO, as a Chicago, Cook County, Illinois resident for the last thirty or so years (and I've been awake, alert, and oriented in three spheres), I'll stick to BHO is just another Chicago, Cook County, Illinois POS Democrat, do-nothing, empty suit, Daley Machine, part of the problem, not part of the solution, corrupt politician.
I think everyone would love to see the overall situation improve, regardless of who's at the helm ... I'm just not expecting miracles from a proven "present" yet non-performer.
Do you have any concept of how deep, organized, and long-lived the corruption is in Chicago, Cook County, Illinois?
Do you really think anyone could swim in this cesspool and come out smelling like a rose?
IF you are not from this area, what is your source of such great optimism? Website? Newspaper? SPecifically, where are you getting information that is 180 degrees from reality that is causing such positive opinions? D'ya have that warm & fuzzy Camalot mental image?
Like I said, let's wait & see; you can't criticize someone (who's done nothing {zero, zip, nada, bupkis ...} of any merit) until you see them do something / don't do something they promised. I'm looking forward to your great disappointment, but we'll see.
Otherwise, IMO, as a Chicago, Cook County, Illinois resident for the last thirty or so years (and I've been awake, alert, and oriented in three spheres), I'll stick to BHO is just another Chicago, Cook County, Illinois POS Democrat, do-nothing, empty suit, Daley Machine, part of the problem, not part of the solution, corrupt politician.
I think everyone would love to see the overall situation improve, regardless of who's at the helm ... I'm just not expecting miracles from a proven "present" yet non-performer.
You made the allegation but offered no proof. All I asked was which of the cabinet members Obama's surrounding himself with are from Chicago, Cook County, or Illinois?
What's the corruption link to the governor of AZ? Let me guess, you've got ironclad evidence that she's a rabid Suns fan and bet heavily on them against the Bulls? You've seen her marker of millions owed to the Chicago mob and that's how you know she's going to ruin the DHS? I'm guessing you've filed it right next to that copy of Obama's Indonesian birth certificate?
What's the corruption link to the governor of AZ? Let me guess, you've got ironclad evidence that she's a rabid Suns fan and bet heavily on them against the Bulls? You've seen her marker of millions owed to the Chicago mob and that's how you know she's going to ruin the DHS? I'm guessing you've filed it right next to that copy of Obama's Indonesian birth certificate?
The link is that they were all early Obama supporters, except folks like HRC that were muzzled or bought off. I was not implying that he is hiring friends & family, that'll come later.
And, hey! even a stopped clock is right twice a day ... so drink your Kool Aid and relax and enjoy the ride.
And I've never challenged his citizenship, never ... not once. If you want to accuse me personally of something, try to get the story right. I only accuse him of being a typical Chicago, Cook County, Illinois politician, in the likeness of Blago, and like all the rest of the worthless piece of crap Machine Pols from this neighborhood.
So, can you answer my earlier question? From what great well of wisdom are you drawing information that makes you such a staunch supporter of this unproven product of the Chicago Machine, BHO?
Sure. I believe in innocent before proven guilty. Rather than believe whisper campaigns or innuendo, I like to see at least a shred of evidence.
Best I can tell, the worst Obama has done is befriend (or be befriended by) Rezko. That said, Rezko also contributed to Clinton and served as a co-chair for a multimiliion-dollar fundraiser for Bush. Of course, Balgo pulled Rezko into his inner circle and it appears as if they'll be going down together. I haven't seen anything to suggest Rezko played any role in Obama's political life outside what's already been made public. Rezko definitely isn't in Obama's inner circle.
Give me a break. What "great well of wisdom" are YOU drawing all your ideas about Obama from? You mock people for thinking he's a good guy, then turn around and assume he's Satan incarnate...how is that any more intelligent than what you accuse the other side of doing?
A crooked politician from Chicago, really reaching.... 
Obama was obviously approached about the seat and he declined to deal. Smart on his part, but knowing a crime was being committed and keeping it quiet was not. This will dog him through his entire administration, and I suspect there will be even more interesting bits about his rise in that well known politically corrupt enviornment. This administration might actually surpass Nixon in corruption, time will tell.
Obama was obviously approached about the seat and he declined to deal. Smart on his part, but knowing a crime was being committed and keeping it quiet was not. This will dog him through his entire administration, and I suspect there will be even more interesting bits about his rise in that well known politically corrupt enviornment. This administration might actually surpass Nixon in corruption, time will tell.
dawp
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Originally posted by: Alistar7
A crooked politician from Chicago, really reaching....
Obama was obviously approached about the seat and he declined to deal. Smart on his part, but knowing a crime was being committed and keeping it quiet was not. This will dog him through his entire administration, and I suspect there will be even more interesting bits about his rise in that well known politically corrupt enviornment. This administration might actually surpass Nixon in corruption, time will tell.
That may be, but it'll never surpass Bush's for incompenance, and would bet even money that this will be the cleanest admin since Eisenhower.
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that is if i was a betting man.
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He's the first minority Prez and everyone will be watch so I think that will keep him on his toes ethically.
I think if anyone was keeping it quiet, it was Rahm:Originally posted by: Alistar7
A crooked politician from Chicago, really reaching....
Obama was obviously approached about the seat and he declined to deal. Smart on his part, but knowing a crime was being committed and keeping it quiet was not. This will dog him through his entire administration, and I suspect there will be even more interesting bits about his rise in that well known politically corrupt enviornment. This administration might actually surpass Nixon in corruption, time will tell.
Rahm on the tapes
I would be surprised if Rahm pre-resigns...that would be a first, no?
umbrella39
Lifer
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I got to watch him kiss up the ladder personally. I live here.
He endorsed Blago (twice), he endorsed Todd (toddler, the toad, Erkel) Stroeger.
He was fully aware of all the corruption in the city, county, and state and said and did nothing ... he looked the other way and promoted those he kew to be dirty, just to stay on the good side of the machine. To me, that makes him complicit; part of the problem, not part of the solution. He's as dirty as the majority of the Dalen Machine Illinois politicians, and spineless to boot.
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