Originally posted by: L00PY
Originally posted by: ScottMac
Well, swell! His neighborhood is your neighborhood. Great, what's he done of merit? You're right there, you'd know. That was the root of the question, how did someone grow up politically in Chicago and not suck up and do the Machine's bidding?
He apparently did enough to win the presidential election. And by a large margin. How does someone grow up and not be sucked in?
Apparently by doing what Obama did.
OK, so you also apparently cannot enumerate any significant actions of merit ... just "Well, he got elected" - he got elected by virtue of an extremely favorable press and a majority of Kool Aid drinkers, many of which, apparently including you, that cannot come up with anything significant that he's ever accomplished.
He's a gutless piece of Machine crap, and has never stood against Da Machine in any significant way. This is not consistent with his PR as The Great Reformer.
He endorsed Todd (Toad, Toddler, Erkel) Stroeger, absolutely nothing but a Machine puppet.
Neither of which are crimes or even unethical.
Believe it or not, democrats tend to endorse democrats. Hardly indicative of corruption. It wouldn't surprise me if Bush endorsed a Chicago candidate at some point. Would that automatically make him a piece of the Machine too?
The alternate, Forrest Claypool is also a Democrat. Instead of picking a reformer (Democrat, Claypool), he endorsed an Idiot, Democrat, Stroeger ... it is not the choice of a "reformer" BHO is a Machine Guy all the way, not the "reformer" his fans try to make him out to be..
He's got Rahm Emanuel and David Axelrod for bookends, both are long-time ramrods in the Daley machine. Not the choice of a Daley outsider. They may not be golfing buddies, but Daley / Obama are tied at the political hip. Recent history is scattered with people that don't necessarily like each other, but find a little beneficial mutual back-scratching in their interest.
Again, using staff that have been with you from the beginning is neither a crime nor unethical. You also fail to point out the connection between this Chicago corruption and Gates? Or the Daley machine and Shinseki or Jones? Aside for being democrats, how do those senators and governors tie in?
I see. So that fact that he selected a couple people that AREN'T machine candidates somehow proves he's not a part of The Machine? HE's added a couple more since ... glad to see he's got Arne now too, another piece of Daley fluff. Rahm and David are both well-connected guys, so are Arne and LaHood. Check out Jimmy Deleo and Bill Cellini[... Da Guys behind Da Guys/B]
I never claimed "insider" status, I claimed "constituent" status and as a direct observer have not seen any significant action other then the effort he makes to vote "present" on controversial issues (like the Born Alive Act). He is truly a gutless politician of the worst sort (in my opinion as a constituent).
Sorry to sound like a broken record, but your having an negative opinion as a constituent of Obama is neither a crime on his part nor indicative of corruption. You've failed to list any crimes nor any proof of corruption on Obama's part. Yet you want us to believe you based on your direct observations of nothing criminal nor unethical.
Why did nationwide vetting by the press, the Democratic party, the Republican party, and the internet masses fail to turn up evidence of Obama being a yet another corrupt criminal cog in the Chicago political machine? Had these general charges come up before he was a known national figure, they might be worthy of some scrutiny. As is, they're just laughable as the rants of the tinfoil hat brigade or sore losers.
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