Phokus
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Originally posted by: dali71
Originally posted by: Phokus
OP doesn't know history, yesterday's democrats are today's republicans:
From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.[3]
You start out in 1954 by saying, "great person, *****, *****." By 1968 you can't say "*****"?that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.
And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me?because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "great person, *****".[9]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
It was the modern day GOP's decision to be the party of the racist white south after LBJ 'betrayed' the racist dixiecrats and they decided to jump ship onto your racist platform.
How about we check out the context of that quote?
From http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=6953:
one more Herbert omission is worth pointing out. He writes:
In 1981, during the first year of Mr. Reagan?s presidency, the late Lee Atwater gave an interview to a political science professor at Case Western Reserve University, explaining the evolution of the Southern strategy: ?You start out in 1954 by saying, ?N*****, n*****, n*****,?? [edited, because I won't have that word posted here] said Atwater. ?By 1968, you can?t say ?n*****? ? that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states? rights, and all that stuff. You?re getting so abstract now [that] you?re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you?re talking about are totally economic things, and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.?
Oh my. It looks like a clear admission from Atwater.
But if you suspect Bob Herbert may have left something out...well, you've been paying attention. Here is context. Atwater is clearly disavowing the "Southern Strategy", and arguing that when you've gotten so abstract that you'll argue that "fiscal conservatism" is a stand-in for previously open racism, then racism is becoming less of a problem.
Atwater: As to the whole Southern strategy that Harry Dent and others put together in 1968, opposition to the Voting Rights Act would have been a central part of keeping the South. Now [the new Southern Strategy of Ronald Reagan] doesn?t have to do that. All you have to do to keep the South is for Reagan to run in place on the issues he?s campaigned on since 1964? and that?s fiscal conservatism, balancing the budget, cut taxes, you know, the whole cluster?
Questioner: But the fact is, isn?t it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps??
Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, 'N*****, n*****, n*****.' By 1968 you can't say 'n*****' - that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.
And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me - because obviously sitting around saying, 'We want to cut this,' is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than 'n*****, n*****.'
Now it actually makes sense, but I wouldn't have expected someone as intellectually dishonest as you to be fair and accurate when quoting someone.
Funny how you complain about intellectual dishonesty when:
1) what i quoted was everything that was in wikipedia, so you implying that i intentionally 'cut out' quotes is EXTREMELY dishonest on your part
2) 2/3rd of the bolded parts, you imply that i didn't include, when i clearly did:
You start out in 1954 by saying, "great person, *****, *****." By 1968 you can't say "*****"?that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.
And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me?because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "great person, *****".[9]
WHICH IS EXACTLY AS WHAT YOU QUOTED
3), you're implying that i'm talking about ronald reagan in your other bolding when i clearly never mentioned him. Also, you notice he mentions the 'new southern strategy' of reagan, which is in line with abstract racism of 'cutting taxes, cutting programs', so i don't even know what your point is.
I expect an apology from you, but i highly doubt i'd get one.
Edit:
Also, do you not understand that shifting from saying "N***er N***er" to "forced busing" to 'cutting taxes' is still appealing to racism as Lee Atwater says? Lookup 'dogwhistle politics' http://www.slate.com/id/2178379/
Here's the relevant bolded parts, even he admits cutting taxes is about hurting blacks more than whites and it gets around the problem of looking like a racist :roll:
You start out in 1954 by saying, "great person, *****, *****." By 1968 you can't say "*****"?that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.
