If Anyone Owes Reparations It's Democrats

BarrySotero

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The U.S. Senate recently passed a resolution apologizing to African Americans for slavery and Jim Crow laws on behalf of the American people. Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, lead sponsor of the resolution, said, "You wonder why we didn't do it 100 years ago. It is important to have a collective response to a collective injustice."

No doubt the Democrats like the idea of "collective guilt" since they themselves far and away are at the center of slavery while GOP is the shining star of emancipation and equality.

Consider:

"After the war, it was the Republican Party that rammed through the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments to the Constitution over Democratic opposition. Republicans also enacted a series of civil-rights laws that culminated in the Civil Rights Act of 1875, which basically did what the Civil Rights Act of 1964 accomplished (but was reversed by Democrats)"

Unfortunately, the Supreme Court struck down the Civil Rights Act of 1875, as well as a number of other civil-rights measures enacted by Republicans to protect the freed slaves. In Plessy v. Ferguson (1896), the court gave constitutional cover to segregation, effectively prohibiting federal efforts to tackle racial inequality until Brown v. Board of Education in 1954. And any federal civil-rights laws left on the books were repealed by Democrats once they got control of Congress and the White House in 1893.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121617172687056531.html


So:

The 13th amendment finally baring slavery (Emancipation Proclamation was temporary) was passed in 1865. 100% of Republicans voted for it and 23% of Democrats voted for it.

The 14th Amendment of 1868 overruled Dred Scott and gave that gave equal rights to the slaves who were previously excluded. 100% of Republicans voted for it while 0% of Democrats voted for it.

The 15th amendment of 1870 gave blacks the right to vote. 100% of Republicans voted for it - 0% of Democrats voted for it.

Between 1867 and 1865 19 civil rights acts were passed with Republican majorities in congress. When Democrats took over in 1876 no more civil rights acts were passed until 1964.

Following the Civil War Republican stands for black voters were blocked by Democrats

"During the Reconstruction period of 1865?1877 federal law provided civil rights protection in the South for "freedmen" ? the African Americans who had formerly been slaves. In the 1870s, white Democrats gradually returned to power in southern states, sometimes as a result of elections in which paramilitary groups intimidated opponents, attacking blacks or preventing them from voting. Gubernatorial elections were close and disputed in Louisiana for years, with extreme violence unleashed during the campaign. In 1877 a national compromise to gain southern support in the presidential election resulted in the last of the federal troops being withdrawn from the South. White Democrats had taken back power in every Southern state.[4] The white, Democratic Party Redeemer government that followed the troop withdrawal legislated Jim Crow laws segregating black people from the state's white population."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws

"The Republican-controlled Congress passed a set of Civil Rights Acts in 1866 and 1875, which were even broader in scope than the Civil Rights legislation enacted 100 years later. The first of these laws, which gave full equality to African Americans, was repealed in 1892, when the Democrats regained control of the Federal legislature. BROWN vs Board or Education reversed a decisions of 1882."

The second was declared unconstitutional in 1883 by the U.S. Supreme Court. With the end of the Reconstruction era and the ascendency of the Democrats in the South, the Jim Crow laws did away with the Republican reforms and paved the way for another century of oppression of our black citizens. While 23 African Americans were elected to Congress in the years immediately following the Civil War ? all Republicans ? after 1892 there were none."


http://www.examiner.com/x-5325...f-the-Democratic-Party


"Republicans continued to make strenuous efforts to aid African-Americans. In 1890, they passed a force bill in the House of Representatives to send federal troops into the South to protect the voting rights of African-Americans. These rights were being violated everywhere in that region by laws, practices and violence perpetrated by the Ku Klux Klan and similar groups allied with the Democratic Party.

In 1900 (under President McKinley) and again in 1922 (under Harding), Republicans tried to enact an antilynching law. Coolidge asked for legislation again in his 1923 State of the Union message. Unfortunately, Southern Democrats in the Senate routinely filibustered every Republican effort to aid African-Americans.

Even Franklin Roosevelt wouldn't challenge the Senate's Southern caucus. Despite a landslide re-election victory in 1936, including overwhelming majorities in every Southern state, he refused to lend any support to another antilynching bill. Nor would he end the segregation of the armed forces established by Democrat Woodrow Wilson during World War I.

While Harry Truman deserves great credit for ending racial segregation in the military and the civil service, his efforts to pass civil-rights legislation also died from Southern Democratic opposition despite strong support from Republicans, who controlled Congress in 1947 and 1948. This makes Dwight Eisenhower's success in passing civil rights bills in 1957 and 1960 all the more remarkable, since Democrats then controlled both Houses of Congress."

Lyndon Johnson consistently opposed civil-rights legislation while he was in Congress, but as president worked hard to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Neither would have passed without the strong support of congressional Republicans, who provided the margin of victory."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121617172687056531.html


Basically it has been the GOP that lead the way in Emancipation of slaves and civil rights. It was the Democrats that were the party of slave holders and later on Jim Crow (measures meant to keep blacks from voting not because the because they were black but because they were Republicans).

A group of black activists, scholars and reporters support a film about Democrats and slavery (including Martin Luther Kings 'niece

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEFoa0yBCTI



From a groups of black leaders including Martin Luther Kings Niece

http://www.errvideo.com/Speakers.html

"Reparations . . . Who Should Pay?"

"If anyone, or any group, should pay reparations for past racial offenses, it should be the Democratic Party."

Not that the group thinks reparations are needed:

Even though a black man -- or woman -- could have been elected president long before 2008, it serves no purpose to dwell in the past. We should celebrate those who gave their lives to end slavery, and condemn those who prevented this day from coming for more than a century. And we should look forward, not look back."

Emancipation Revelation Revolution 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEFoa0yBCTI


Emancipation Revelation Revolution 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...5QEV6Y&feature=related


Emancipation Revelation Revolution 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...yGn9-s&feature=related





 

frostedflakes

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Which region of the US was predominantly Democrat back then? Now tell me which region of the country is predominantly Republican now. :)

This is really a pretty lame jab at the Democrats, obviously politics has changed a lot over the last century. I don't think many people really associate the late 1800s/early 1900s Democrats with the modern day Democratic Party.
 

BarrySotero

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hey what can I tell you - it's overwhelming historical fact the Dems were party of slavery and Jim Crow. If Dems are going to push for reparations it begins and ends with them. Republicans formed over slavery and made tremendous gains - then Dems buried them using Jin Crow - which was established to stop black republican voters and not just blacks per se. They jumped on bandwagon 100yrs after blocking same laws Republicans had already established. They hijacked the glory train and used teachers/media to cover the tracks
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: BarrySotero
hey what can I tell you - it's overwhelming historical fact the Dems were party of slavery and Jim Crow. If Dems are going to push for reparations it begins and ends with them. Republicans formed over slavery and made tremendous gains - then Dems buried them using Jin Crow - which was established to stop black republican voters and not just blacks per se. They jumped on bandwagon 100yrs after blocking same laws Republicans had already established. They hijacked the glory train and used teachers/media to cover the tracks

Basic right-wing lies. Just take one basic lie - ignore the majr changes in the parties - and run with it. It's as accurate as pretending Ronald Reagan never changed from an FDR democrat.
 

BarrySotero

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Parts of GOP party platform 1856:


"Resolved: That, with our Republican fathers, we hold it to be a self-evident truth, that all men are endowed with the inalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and that the primary object and ulterior design of our Federal Government were to secure these rights to all persons under its exclusive jurisdiction; that, as our Republican fathers, when they had abolished Slavery in all our National Territory, ordained that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law, it becomes our duty to maintain this provision of the Constitution against all attempts to violate it for the purpose of establishing Slavery in the Territories of the United States by positive legislation, prohibiting its existence or extension therein. That we deny the authority of Congress, of a Territorial Legislation, of any individual, or association of individuals, to give legal existence to Slavery in any Territory of the United States, while the present Constitution shall be maintained.

Resolved: That the Constitution confers upon Congress sovereign powers over the Territories of the United States for their government; and that in the exercise of this power, it is both the right and the imperative duty of Congress to prohibit in the Territories those twin relics of barbarism--Polygamy, and Slavery.

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/hi...publican_platform.html



On Dem platform of same year

"Resolved, That we reiterate with renewed energy of purpose the well-considered declarations of former conventions upon the sectional issue of domestic slavery, and concerning the reserved rights of the states?

1. That Congress has no power under the constitution to interfere with or control the domestic institutions of the several states, and that all such states are the sole and proper judges of everything appertaining to their own affairs not prohibited by the constitution; that all efforts of the Abolitionists or others, made to induce Congress to interfere with questions of slavery, or to take incipient steps in relation thereto, are calculated to lead to the most alarming and dangerous consequences, and that all such efforts have an inevitable tendency to diminish the happiness of the people and endanger the stability and permanency of the Union, and ought not to be countenanced by any friend of our political institutions.

2. That the foregoing proposition covers and was intended to embrace the whole subject of slavery agitation in Congress, and therefore the Democratic party of the Union, standing on this national platform, will abide by and adhere to a faithful execution of the acts known as the compromise measures, settled by the Congress of 1850?"the act for reclaiming fugitives from service or labor" included; which act, being designed to carry out an express provision of the constitution, can not, with fidelity thereto, be repealed, or so changed as to destroy or impair its efficiency.

3. That the Democratic party will resist all attempts at renewing in Congress, or out of it, the agitation of the slavery question, under whatever shape or color the attempt may be made.

4. That the Democratic party will faithfully abide by and uphold the principles laid down in the Kentucky and Virginia resolutions of 1792 and 1798, and in the report of Mr. Madison to the Virginia legislature in 1799; that it adopts these principles as constituting one of the main foundations of its political creed, and is resolved to carry them out in their obvious meaning and import.

And that we may more distinctly meet the issue on which a sectional party, subsisting exclusively on slavery agitation, now relies to test the fidelity of the people, north and south, to the constitution and the Union?

1. Resolved, That claiming fellowship with and desiring the cooperation of all who regard the preservation of the Union under the constitution as the paramount issue, and repudiating all sectional parties and platforms concerning domestic slavery which seek to embroil the states and incite to treason and armed resistance to law in the territories, and whose avowed purpose, if consummated, must end in civil war and dis-union, the American democracy recognize and adopt the principles contained in the organic laws establishing the territories of Nebraska and Kansas, as embodying the only sound and safe solution of the slavery question, upon which the great national idea of the people of this whole country can repose in its determined conservation of the Union, and non-interference of Congress with slavery in the territories or in the District of Columbia.

2. That this was the basis of the compromise of 1850, confirmed by both the Democratic and Whig parties in national conventions, ratified by the people in the election of 1852, and rightly applied to the organization of the territories in 1854.

3. That by the uniform application of the Democratic principle to the organization of territories and the admission of new states, with or without domestic slavery, as they may elect, the equal rights of all the states will be preserved intact, the original compacts of the constitution maintained inviolate, and the perpetuity and expansion of the Union insured to its utmost capacity of embracing, in peace and harmony, every future American state that may be constituted or annexed with a republican form of government.

Resolved, That we recognize the right of the people of all the territories, including Kansas and Nebraska, acting through the legally and fairly expressed will of the majority of the actual residents, and whenever the number of their inhabitants justifies it, to form a constitution, with or without domestic slavery, and be admitted into the Union upon terms of perfect equality with the other states. "

http://www.wwnorton.com/colleg.../documents/ch16_02.htm

 

JEDIYoda

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so who fucking cares??
That was then this is now...get over it dude......you aint seeing a Republican as president for quite a while!!
 

ayabe

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Yeah, we know the story the Dixiecrats jumped ship after LBJ pushed civil rights.

Reparations aren't happening, now or ever, get over it.
 

CallMeJoe

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Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Parts of GOP party platform 1856:...
This is as germane to American political parties of today as the policies of Napoleon III are to M. Sarkozy's government.

Keep trying, Barry. You missed with this one; you do better with your Butterbuns-style Parody Posts.
 

themusgrat

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Barry, this is pretty retarded. Nobody is going to believe this bs, right or left wing. But good job on ignoring modern issues and trying to piss people off about stuff that happened before you were born...
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: ayabe
Yeah, we know the story the Dixiecrats jumped ship after LBJ pushed civil rights.

Reparations aren't happening, now or ever, get over it.

i wouldnt bet the farm on that. i am willing ot put money on the fact in the next 7-8 years its going to happen. NOT because we have a black pres. but because thats how its leading.

People in congress have been pushing it for years and its getting closer and closer.
 

umbrella39

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This new version of OP sucks more than his last persona. This one skipped right to trolling dipshit.
I think the question the OP should be asking is... "just how many sock puppet accounts do I have here and when will I finally surface from my parents basement to get a girlfriend, job, and life?"
 

feralkid

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Reparations are owed to Anandtech P&N by our dear OP, for stinking up the place yet again.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: BarrySotero
hey what can I tell you - it's overwhelming historical fact the Dems were party of slavery and Jim Crow. If Dems are going to push for reparations it begins and ends with them. Republicans formed over slavery and made tremendous gains - then Dems buried them using Jin Crow - which was established to stop black republican voters and not just blacks per se. They jumped on bandwagon 100yrs after blocking same laws Republicans had already established. They hijacked the glory train and used teachers/media to cover the tracks

You're a moron. Anyone that knows history knows that the parties switched sides. There's a reason why the south went from the 'solid south' for Democrats to being completely controlled by Republicans, and it's not because they suddenly decided not to be racist anymore.

How long until this guy gets banned?
 

chucky2

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I don't think there's anything wrong with giving any living slave reparations. We have plenty of Federal land, give them 40 acres and a Government Motors 2500 series diesel truck (doubles as transpo and a mule), and an appropriate cash stipend, and lets heal this wound on our country.

Anyone have any idea who many living slaves we have left in the US?

Chuck
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
This new version of OP sucks more than his last persona. This one skipped right to trolling dipshit.
I think the question the OP should be asking is... "just how many sock puppet accounts do I have here and when will I finally surface from my parents basement to get a girlfriend, job, and life?"

Agreed, he could've at least started out with some posts in the technical forums asking for help, then slowly made his way over here to troll. This is just too obvious.
 

Phokus

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OP doesn't know history, yesterday's democrats are today's republicans:

From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.[3]

You start out in 1954 by saying, "great person, *****, *****." By 1968 you can't say "*****"?that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.

And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me?because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "great person, *****".[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

It was the modern day GOP's decision to be the party of the racist white south after LBJ 'betrayed' the racist dixiecrats and they decided to jump ship onto your racist platform.

 

BarrySotero

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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
so who fucking cares??
That was then this is now...get over it dude......you aint seeing a Republican as president for quite a while!!

Obviously the Maxrocrats care since they sponsor "apologies" for for superficial politcal gains. If an election were held now Dems go down in flames. Obama is torching Dems and Americans have yet to feel the full brunt of what these maniacs are doing. But since he's our first dictator wannbe we can't take elections for granted. Dems writing another glorious chapter of their history
 

MovingTarget

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Reparations are a non-starter. The modern Democratic Party or Republican Party are not more responsible for slavery than you or I. I never owned slaves, my parents and grandparents never owned slaves, and my other ancestors came to the US in 1901, many years after the abolition of slavery. So while a feel-good resolution by Congress, it amounts to nothing.

This thread stinks like mayo left in the sun for a week. It skips so far over obvious political facts that it avoids reality altogether.
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
so who fucking cares??
That was then this is now...get over it dude......you aint seeing a Republican as president for quite a while!!

Obviously the Maxrocrats care since they sponsor "apologies" for for superficial politcal gains. If an election were held now Dems go down in flames. Obama is torching Dems and Americans have yet to feel the full brunt of what these maniacs are doing. But since he's our first dictator wannbe we can't take elections for granted. Dems writing another glorious chapter of their history

I personally don't care, because the modern day GOP used the southern strategy to absorb all the racist dixiecrats that felt betrayed by LBJ's passing of the civil rights act. Your original post is irrelevant and a nonstarter

Originally posted by: Phokus
OP doesn't know history, yesterday's democrats are today's republicans:

From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.[3]

You start out in 1954 by saying, "great person, *****, *****." By 1968 you can't say "*****"?that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.

And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me?because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "great person, *****".[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
 

dali71

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Originally posted by: Phokus
OP doesn't know history, yesterday's democrats are today's republicans:

From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.[3]

You start out in 1954 by saying, "great person, *****, *****." By 1968 you can't say "*****"?that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.

And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me?because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "great person, *****".[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

It was the modern day GOP's decision to be the party of the racist white south after LBJ 'betrayed' the racist dixiecrats and they decided to jump ship onto your racist platform.

How about we check out the context of that quote?

From http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=6953:

one more Herbert omission is worth pointing out. He writes:

In 1981, during the first year of Mr. Reagan?s presidency, the late Lee Atwater gave an interview to a political science professor at Case Western Reserve University, explaining the evolution of the Southern strategy: ?You start out in 1954 by saying, ?N*****, n*****, n*****,?? [edited, because I won't have that word posted here] said Atwater. ?By 1968, you can?t say ?n*****? ? that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states? rights, and all that stuff. You?re getting so abstract now [that] you?re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you?re talking about are totally economic things, and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.?

Oh my. It looks like a clear admission from Atwater.

But if you suspect Bob Herbert may have left something out...well, you've been paying attention. Here is context. Atwater is clearly disavowing the "Southern Strategy", and arguing that when you've gotten so abstract that you'll argue that "fiscal conservatism" is a stand-in for previously open racism, then racism is becoming less of a problem.

Atwater: As to the whole Southern strategy that Harry Dent and others put together in 1968, opposition to the Voting Rights Act would have been a central part of keeping the South. Now [the new Southern Strategy of Ronald Reagan] doesn?t have to do that. All you have to do to keep the South is for Reagan to run in place on the issues he?s campaigned on since 1964? and that?s fiscal conservatism, balancing the budget, cut taxes, you know, the whole cluster?

Questioner: But the fact is, isn?t it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps??

Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, 'N*****, n*****, n*****.' By 1968 you can't say 'n*****' - that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.

And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me - because obviously sitting around saying, 'We want to cut this,' is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than 'n*****, n*****.'



Now it actually makes sense, but I wouldn't have expected someone as intellectually dishonest as you to be fair and accurate when quoting someone.

 

Moonbeam

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Republicans are heroes who freed the slaves and brought Black people into the American system where they have paid taxes and helped to build the country. This has had a positive effect of the bottom line for White Republicans so they should be happy to pay reparations, having gotten such advantages, no?