If a nuke went off in New York City

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Future Shock
We are dealing with a DIFFERENT FORM of logic here.

i believe that it's the absence of logic, reason, and rational thought that defines our enemies; not meerly a "different form."

My biggest question is this: What will the EU, Japan, and China do IF the USA is attacked with a WMD sometime? Will all of them support our decision to retaliate in kind? Will they support a definitive response? Or will they still puss-out and promote meer diplomacy in a situation where all logic, reason, and rationality are absent in our enemies, even after a WMD attack occurs?

That is the real question, because it's not a matter of "if" such an attack will happen, it's simply a matter of WHEN.

Hmm.. seems like the world was with us in Afghanistan going after OBL. Seems like the only ones that pussed-out are people like YOU.

ummm, what? I just spent a year over there running combat patrols, so who pussed out again? not I...

fool.

and the world's support has changed alot since then anyways, hence my question.

You're a fraud. And a bad one at that.

says you. I know where I've been and what I've done, and have nothing at all left to prove to some fellow geek, on some random forum. What you think of me personally is irrelevant to the subject at hand. I could personally care less that you choose to blatantly sh*t on my service.

that said, given the apparent shift in world support for the GWOT, in general, my question still stands. Do you think they would all support us in our retaliations for a WMD attack on US soil? yes or no? Who would or wouldn't? and why or why not?

try to answer those questions instead of sh*tting all over my service, k?

 

[Gravity]

We have the tecnology to detect launches as well as track missiles. Trust me, we'd know where it came from. That's not to say that an Iranian nuke wouldn't come from their country, it could be launched from a mobile device or from a sub. Not too many countries have subs with nuke capability and the ones that do we track as best we can.

The scenario is pretty far fetched. NY is prolly more susceptible to a dirty bomb attach which is much easier to clean up that most think.

Also, we might just have some ICBM defenses in key locations that you are not aware of, just in case some A$$hat gets elected to a pre-nuclear country like Iran.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Future Shock
We are dealing with a DIFFERENT FORM of logic here.

i believe that it's the absence of logic, reason, and rational thought that defines our enemies; not meerly a "different form."

My biggest question is this: What will the EU, Japan, and China do IF the USA is attacked with a WMD sometime? Will all of them support our decision to retaliate in kind? Will they support a definitive response? Or will they still puss-out and promote meer diplomacy in a situation where all logic, reason, and rationality are absent in our enemies, even after a WMD attack occurs?

That is the real question, because it's not a matter of "if" such an attack will happen, it's simply a matter of WHEN.

Hmm.. seems like the world was with us in Afghanistan going after OBL. Seems like the only ones that pussed-out are people like YOU.

ummm, what? I just spent a year over there running combat patrols, so who pussed out again? not I...

fool.

and the world's support has changed alot since then anyways, hence my question.

You're a fraud. And a bad one at that.

says you. I know where I've been and what I've done, and have nothing at all left to prove to some fellow geek, on some random forum. What you think of me personally is irrelevant to the subject at hand. I could care less that you choose to sh*t on my service.

that said, given the apparent shift in world support for the GWOT, in general, my question still stands. Do you think they would all support us in our retaliations for a WMD attack on US soil? yes or no? Who would or wouldn't? and why or why not?

try to answer those questions instead of sh*tting all over my service, k?

The correct terminology is "ALLEGED" service. And even if what you say is correct, it doesn't make your words gospel. Frankly, having 80% of the military think that Saddam was directly or incorrectly connected to 9/11 makes them the lowest on the totem pole as far as informed responses to a lot of questions as to why or how we got to Iraq.

But as to answer your question, I don't think the world would want us to retaliate with bio/chem/nuclear weapons. And neither would I, it would just make matters much, much worse.

But I do think the world would come to our side (hmm... maybe not under this President) and jointly and swiftly topple the government responsible for such an attack. They were with us to topple the Taliban after 9/11 and that was a comparatively much smaller incident than what we're envisioning here.

 

[Genx87]

The correct terminology is "ALLEGED" service. And even if what you say is correct, it doesn't make your words gospel.

But it does contradict your statement he pussed out.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Genx87

The correct terminology is "ALLEGED" service. And even if what you say is correct, it doesn't make your words gospel.

But it does contradict your statement he pussed out.

I was referring to his acceptance of not completing the mission in Afghanistan. You pussed out too.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Genx87

The correct terminology is "ALLEGED" service. And even if what you say is correct, it doesn't make your words gospel.

But it does contradict your statement he pussed out.

I was referring to his acceptance of not completing the mission in Afghanistan. You pussed out too.

Wow just wow,didnt finish the mission. He went there, did you?

You pussy.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Genx87

The correct terminology is "ALLEGED" service. And even if what you say is correct, it doesn't make your words gospel.

But it does contradict your statement he pussed out.

I was referring to his acceptance of not completing the mission in Afghanistan. You pussed out too.

the "mission in Afghanistan" is going to take decades to complete. the same is true for any other region of the world that must be brought forward from 700 years in the past. If you think that finding OBL is/was the only "mission" there, then you are once again sh*tting on the service of tens of thousands of soldiers like myself who are doing other important things over there. He's not the only scumbag left in those mountains, trust me...

tell me, did you ever serve your country?

 

[ExpertNovice]

Originally posted by: mfs378
A nuke goes off in New York City, and we know that it was ordered by the Iranian regime. What should the US response be?

sarcasm
Nothing. The vast majority of the victims would have essentially stated there is nothing wrong with terroists actions in our country.

Liberals, of which NYC is primarily composed of, have stated or applauded statements such as "we hope there are a thousand Mogadishu's." The hiring of terrorists by the very liberal colleges suggests that they fully support terrorist actions.

Instead, we should allow the U.N. to do their job of issuing the mother of all resolutions.
/sarcasm

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Genx87

The correct terminology is "ALLEGED" service. And even if what you say is correct, it doesn't make your words gospel.

But it does contradict your statement he pussed out.

I was referring to his acceptance of not completing the mission in Afghanistan. You pussed out too.

the "mission in Afghanistan" is going to take decades to complete. the same is true for any other region of the world that must be brought forward from 700 years in the past. If you think that finding OBL is/was the only "mission" there, then you are once again sh*tting on the service of tens of thousands of soldiers like myself who are doing other important things over there. He's not the only scumbag left in those mountains, trust me...

tell me, did you ever serve your country?

No, but not because of not wanting to. I couldn't. No cartiledge in the knees. After 9/11, I wanted to sign up and kill the mofo (and forge my med records if I had to), but my father begged me not to since I just my first child.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Genx87

The correct terminology is "ALLEGED" service. And even if what you say is correct, it doesn't make your words gospel.

But it does contradict your statement he pussed out.

I was referring to his acceptance of not completing the mission in Afghanistan. You pussed out too.

the "mission in Afghanistan" is going to take decades to complete. the same is true for any other region of the world that must be brought forward from 700 years in the past. If you think that finding OBL is/was the only "mission" there, then you are once again sh*tting on the service of tens of thousands of soldiers like myself who are doing other important things over there. He's not the only scumbag left in those mountains, trust me...

tell me, did you ever serve your country?

No, but not because of not wanting to. I couldn't. No cartiledge in the knees. After 9/11, I wanted to sign up and kill the mofo (and forge my med records if I had to), but my father begged me not to since I just my first child.

whatever the case, just stop sh*tting on those of us who have.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Genx87

The correct terminology is "ALLEGED" service. And even if what you say is correct, it doesn't make your words gospel.

But it does contradict your statement he pussed out.

I was referring to his acceptance of not completing the mission in Afghanistan. You pussed out too.

the "mission in Afghanistan" is going to take decades to complete. the same is true for any other region of the world that must be brought forward from 700 years in the past. If you think that finding OBL is/was the only "mission" there, then you are once again sh*tting on the service of tens of thousands of soldiers like myself who are doing other important things over there. He's not the only scumbag left in those mountains, trust me...

tell me, did you ever serve your country?

No, but not because of not wanting to. I couldn't. No cartiledge in the knees. After 9/11, I wanted to sign up and kill the mofo (and forge my med records if I had to), but my father begged me not to since I just my first child.

whatever the case, just stop sh*tting on those of us who have.

I'm not shitting on the military. I just don't believe YOU.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Genx87

The correct terminology is "ALLEGED" service. And even if what you say is correct, it doesn't make your words gospel.

But it does contradict your statement he pussed out.

I was referring to his acceptance of not completing the mission in Afghanistan. You pussed out too.

the "mission in Afghanistan" is going to take decades to complete. the same is true for any other region of the world that must be brought forward from 700 years in the past. If you think that finding OBL is/was the only "mission" there, then you are once again sh*tting on the service of tens of thousands of soldiers like myself who are doing other important things over there. He's not the only scumbag left in those mountains, trust me...

tell me, did you ever serve your country?

No, but not because of not wanting to. I couldn't. No cartiledge in the knees. After 9/11, I wanted to sign up and kill the mofo (and forge my med records if I had to), but my father begged me not to since I just my first child.

whatever the case, just stop sh*tting on those of us who have.

I'm not shitting on the military. I just don't believe YOU.

ask Todd33 if it's true. He dug up a photo of me, in Afghanistan even, before I thought to hide my profile and real name. I asked him not to share it, but he can verify who I am and where I was.

not that I care a whole lot, but I'm sick of you and Conjie discrediting my service.

The real problem is that you consistently sh*t on the service of everyone in the military, not just me. you really do.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Genx87

The correct terminology is "ALLEGED" service. And even if what you say is correct, it doesn't make your words gospel.

But it does contradict your statement he pussed out.

I was referring to his acceptance of not completing the mission in Afghanistan. You pussed out too.

the "mission in Afghanistan" is going to take decades to complete. the same is true for any other region of the world that must be brought forward from 700 years in the past. If you think that finding OBL is/was the only "mission" there, then you are once again sh*tting on the service of tens of thousands of soldiers like myself who are doing other important things over there. He's not the only scumbag left in those mountains, trust me...

tell me, did you ever serve your country?

No, but not because of not wanting to. I couldn't. No cartiledge in the knees. After 9/11, I wanted to sign up and kill the mofo (and forge my med records if I had to), but my father begged me not to since I just my first child.

whatever the case, just stop sh*tting on those of us who have.

I'm not shitting on the military. I just don't believe YOU.

I told you that I could care less about what you say/think about me personally. I've given some thought as to how I could prove my service here without giving away my name and such, but I really cant think of a way to do so... so in the end, I decided not to care what people think of my credibility here. If I posted a picture with my nametag or face blanked out, you'd just dismiss it as someone else' photo. If I posted copies of orders and such, then you'd know too much about me... etc etc. I thought of taking a new photo in uniform and standing with a sign that says "To Conjur, with love," but that's just too much effort.... sooo, screw it. I could care less at this point...

The real problem is that you consistently sh*t on the service of everyone in the military, not just me. you really do.

I ****** on the military. No, sorry, I don't confuse the administration with the soldiers. That's YOUR job to. The "pusses" I'm referring to were the administration and the ones that support them.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Genx87

The correct terminology is "ALLEGED" service. And even if what you say is correct, it doesn't make your words gospel.

But it does contradict your statement he pussed out.

I was referring to his acceptance of not completing the mission in Afghanistan. You pussed out too.

the "mission in Afghanistan" is going to take decades to complete. the same is true for any other region of the world that must be brought forward from 700 years in the past. If you think that finding OBL is/was the only "mission" there, then you are once again sh*tting on the service of tens of thousands of soldiers like myself who are doing other important things over there. He's not the only scumbag left in those mountains, trust me...

tell me, did you ever serve your country?

No, but not because of not wanting to. I couldn't. No cartiledge in the knees. After 9/11, I wanted to sign up and kill the mofo (and forge my med records if I had to), but my father begged me not to since I just my first child.

whatever the case, just stop sh*tting on those of us who have.

I'm not shitting on the military. I just don't believe YOU.

I told you that I could care less about what you say/think about me personally. I've given some thought as to how I could prove my service here without giving away my name and such, but I really cant think of a way to do so... so in the end, I decided not to care what people think of my credibility here. If I posted a picture with my nametag or face blanked out, you'd just dismiss it as someone else' photo. If I posted copies of orders and such, then you'd know too much about me... etc etc. I thought of taking a new photo in uniform and standing with a sign that says "To Conjur, with love," but that's just too much effort.... sooo, screw it. I could care less at this point...

The real problem is that you consistently sh*t on the service of everyone in the military, not just me. you really do.

I ****** on the military. No, sorry, I don't confuse the administration with the soldiers. That's YOUR job to. The "pusses" I'm referring to were the administration and the ones that support them.

read my editted response above... i changed it, and you may be interested in the change.

 

[Future Shock]

Originally posted by: Gravity
We have the tecnology to detect launches as well as track missiles. Trust me, we'd know where it came from. That's not to say that an Iranian nuke wouldn't come from their country, it could be launched from a mobile device or from a sub. Not too many countries have subs with nuke capability and the ones that do we track as best we can.

The scenario is pretty far fetched. NY is prolly more susceptible to a dirty bomb attach which is much easier to clean up that most think.

Also, we might just have some ICBM defenses in key locations that you are not aware of, just in case some A$$hat gets elected to a pre-nuclear country like Iran.

Iran is several DECADES away from having a launcher that can hit New York, or of having subs that are quiet enough to sneak up on us in the Atlantic - in fact, let's just openly state that they cost sooo much and are so hard to build they will never have them.

If Iran nukes NYC (or N Korea, or anyone else really), it will most likely come in on a 40' shipping container aboard a commercial cargo vessel, or on a private fishing boat, or even a sailing yacht. They will take it straight into New York harbor and detonate it by the piers on 38th Street, just south of the Intrepid aircraft carrier serves as a floating museum.

Now, you were planning on figuring out who sent it HOW???

However, I do agree with you totally about a dirty bomb scenario - they have done some simulations on this, and espcially in New York (full of hard surfaces) the clean up is very possible, and the large buildings actually contain a fair amount of the drift. So it would be bad, but probably not BAD...and a lot more plausible than a real nuke IMHO.

Future Shock

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

ask Todd33 if it's true. He dug up a photo of me, in Afghanistan even, before I thought to hide my profile and real name. I asked him not to share it, but he can verify who I am and where I was.

I'll back it up too, I'm 99.9% sure palehorse has been to Afghanistan. He was trying to become an officer when his name popped up on state computer and he was shipped off as an Infantryman

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: palehorse74

ask Todd33 if it's true. He dug up a photo of me, in Afghanistan even, before I thought to hide my profile and real name. I asked him not to share it, but he can verify who I am and where I was.

I'll back it up too, I'm 99.9% sure palehorse has been to Afghanistan. He was trying to become an officer when his name popped up on state computer and he was shipped off as an Infantryman

ok, that's just creepy... lol.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

ok, that's just creepy... lol.

Heh