A nuke goes off in New York City, and we know that it was ordered by the Iranian regime. What should the US response be?
If a nuke went off in New York City
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I voted nuke military bases because I think that would be fastest and therefore necessary. I don't know a lot about our military techonology. If our stealth bombers can do conventional as quick to that scale, then use that. If we have some secret flight technology, such as saucer flight, which would allow us to exit earth's atmosphere and bomb from space very quickly, then convential it is.
Wow, another flamebait.
Firstly, if an Iranian nuke went off in NYC, we would have almost no way to prove it had been Iranian, as we do not have samples of fissile products from their reactors and enrichment processes to compare it to. It's that simple really.
Second, what would be the LOGIC of such an attack? When Israel was in possession of a limited number of bombs, the advice they recieved from Dr. Louise Rene Beres (look him up, he was my Political Science guru in college and an advisor on nuke policy to Israel) was to not even TELL people they had the bomb - just indicate that they probably had it, and use it as a deterrent. Israel followed that advice. If Iran has the bomb, they would only have a few - and one does not fight many with a few. One DETERS many with a few. So the last thing they would do is give out one of their precious bombs to use in a first strike attack.
Now, if you tell me that bomb went off in Tel Aviv...then I could actually see a religious angle that transcends a rational deterrent response. And, frankly, a few bombs would utterly decimate Israel...but that's another topic.
Lastly, the most likely scenario for an attack on the US with a nuclear weapon is: a bomb has gone off in NYC, and we have NO CLUE who did it, and EVERY terrorist group claims it publically. Now what do you do?
Future Shock
Personally, I'd make sure every Iranian in Iran was dead.
However, I don't think that would or could happen.
However, I don't think that would or could happen.
Implausible, but if that did happen, I would support a moderate nuke (not enough to cause serious fallout issues) + severe conventional retaliation against the regime and perhaps Tehran as well, with a nod to avoiding civilian casualities as much as possible although sadly there would be a lot
This reminds me of this movie, I believe it was Armageddon.
Anyways the asteroids were hitting NYC and people were saying "Saddam Hussein is attacking us"
Yeah...
Anyways the asteroids were hitting NYC and people were saying "Saddam Hussein is attacking us"
Yeah...
A nuke on NYC would cripple our country, and the worlds economy. Imagine all the banks and stock markets that would be lost, all the information lost. Not to mention the lives of millions. So yeah, if someone were to nuke NYC I'd be for total destruction of the perpetraters. How would you like it if all of Pennslyvania were wiped off the map by Iran?
So you would kill millions of innocent civilians because of a few bad apples?
Yeah.. "rolls eyes"
If you ran things, Afghanistan's population would be zero right now.
So petty revenge is the answer? I hope everyone in Iraq doesn't blame all Americans for the orders of a few psychos in DC and Crawford.
Besides, if the economy were collapsing, I think I'd have some other stuff to worry about...
You're mind doesn't seem to want to think outside the box. Take a moment and actually try to think about what you are saying.
What good is killing all the Iranians going to do? It is going to bring back NYC?
Your thinking is no different than a man who hates all people from Brazil for example because on his way to work one morning some guy with a Brazilian flag on his bumper sticker started some severe road rage that caused the man to lose control of his vehicle and crash it.
Firstly, you are equating a first-generation Iranian nuke with a stragetic nuke. No one can say for sure, but it is very likely that an Iranian nuke wouldn't be nearly as destructive as a "strategic" US or Russian nuke. It would be BAD...but perhaps more limited in scope than you might think.
As for banks and stock markets, ironically enough, THEY are well protected against that sort of attack. Most of them have set up duplicate IT facilities, or moved their prime facility, far from New York (New Jersey or upstate New York) after 2001 - which has actually hurt the IT economy in NYC btw. The losses would be the records of individual companies that have their HQ in NYC...and even amongst them nearly all have off-site (and out of city) back-ups. Look up Iron Mountain corporation - they are experts in records and IT backups, and have a secure nuke proof facility outside New York (and many other corporate centers such as London). You can see their trucks all over New York...
The worst loss of course would be the loss of life, and expertise. A fair amount of the US brain trust is in New York, especially financial, business, medical, and acadamic. We would be hurt by the mass loss of that expertise...
Anyway, to get back on topic - NTDZ, have you considered the long term consequences of creating 20 million martyrs? Have you then considered the possible consequences if Pakistan falls into militant Muslim hands at some future date...with all of their nuclear bombs and expertise?
Future Shock
No, the people there didn't elect their leaders, and they didn't nuke us, or do anything besides harbor terrorists. The Iranian people elected the nutcase they have in office, and a NUKE destroying the most important city in the world is just a little bit more serious than two buildings...The only time I'd ever advocate using a nuke is in responce to being nuked...Can you imagine NYC getting nuked? I can't imagine what it'd do to this country...
You wouldn't want revenge? You must be insane to not...I mean, seriously, they just nuked our most important city, and YOU WANT TO NOT RETALIATE??? Why even bother having a military?
Revenge against the people that ordered and carried out the attack, not Iranian civilians who had no part. You do realize you are advocating genocide as your revenge, right?
You obviously have no knowledge of the situation in Iran to be commenting on the situation inside Iran.
The Iranian President does not rule Iran nor does he have any power to launch any kind of military strike involving Iran
His only power is to advocate spending to certain programs (sort of like a mayor).
Iran is ruled by hardline clergy mullahs. They are not elected and have all the power to do whatever it is they want.
Iran's President got around 15% of the vote with hundreds of reform party members blocked from running for President. I hardly see that as a landslide victory.
True, when I think of a city being nuked, I'm thinking total destruction...which may not be the case. You raise good points about consequences, but my first thought when what would you do if New York was nuked by Iran was destroy Iran...However, what are the consequences if we don't retaliate? Would other countries feel empowered by this? Would we be subject to other attacks because we showed weakness?
What if China nuked New York? Would you still not want to nuke them?
Of course, every true person would scream that the perpetraters be brought to justice. That doesn't mean I am going let my emotions run wild. You, asking for every Iranian to be killed is just insane and reaks of racism...
It has nothing to do with racism...I know Iranians are very mild people that in general aren't anti-American. But so are Chinese people, and what if China were to nuke us? Would you still not want to nuke Beijing, etc...?
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Demand the immediate surrender of their entire government/radicals or we start working over the population centers with our extensive nuclear arsenal (this would give the people time to overthrow the government and save themselves). Iran will submit to international occupation until such time as we are satisfied a stable progressive government is in place and sufficient reparations are paid to the US.
Blow up Natanz with a B83 set to the megaton range to let them know we mean business.
Any country that provides refuge to those responsible for the attack would be viewed as committing an act of war against the US. Consequences for doing so should be severe but conventional.
Blow up Natanz with a B83 set to the megaton range to let them know we mean business.
Any country that provides refuge to those responsible for the attack would be viewed as committing an act of war against the US. Consequences for doing so should be severe but conventional.
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