Identities of 1,500 ICE Agents pulled from LinkedIn and published

[Starbuck1975]

Wait, so you look at the other ICE behavior happening and don't see immorality there? Only the children is pushing you to care? I can't say I'm shocked, but it is disappointing nonetheless.

What other ICE behaviors do you find immoral?

There was no substantial conversation around the morality of immigration law until Trump started separating families.

The separation of children from parents is cruel, inhumane and violates our values as a nation. That falls on Trump, and Miller for guiding his hand.

 

[jackstar7]

What other ICE behaviors do you find immoral?

There was no substantial conversation around the morality of immigration law until Trump started separating families.

The separation of children from parents is cruel, inhumane and violates our values as a nation. That falls on Trump, and Miller for guiding his hand.

You just haven't seen it, I suppose. But "Abolish ICE" has been a beating drum over the past months as they have targeted primarily peaceful immigrants that live as good members of society.

How they are handling children is certainly beyond the pale, but ICE should not exist. They are behaving as a anti-brown people police force with terrible oversight and horrifying tactics.

 

[realibrad]

You just haven't seen it, I suppose. But "Abolish ICE" has been a beating drum over the past months as they have targeted primarily peaceful immigrants that live as good members of society.

How they are handling children is certainly beyond the pale, but ICE should not exist. They are behaving as a anti-brown people police force with terrible oversight and horrifying tactics.

Saying ICE should not exist is amazingly stupid. You realize that they do more than look for illegal immigrants right?

 

[dainthomas]

Saying ICE should not exist is amazingly stupid. You realize that they do more than look for illegal immigrants right?

We made do without them before 2003.

 

[realibrad]

We made do without them before 2003.

No we did not. ICE was the combination of different things the US was already doing. ICE did not create new things to do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Immigration_and_Customs_Enforcement

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement was formed pursuant to the Homeland Security Act of 2002, following the events of September 11, 2001. With the establishment of the Department of Homeland Security, the functions and jurisdictions of several border and revenue enforcement agencies were combined and consolidated into U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Consequently, ICE is the largest investigative arm of the Department of Homeland Security, and the second largest contributor to the nation's Joint Terrorism Task Force.

The agencies that were either moved entirely or merged in part into ICE included the investigative and intelligence resources of the United States Customs Service, the criminal investigative, detention and deportation resources of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, and the Federal Protective Service. The Federal Protective Service was later transferred from ICE to the National Protection and Programs Directorate effective October 28, 2009. In 2003, Asa Hutchinson moved the Federal Air Marshals Service from the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) to ICE, but Chertoff moved them back to the TSA in 2005.

 

[jackstar7]

Saying ICE should not exist is amazingly stupid. You realize that they do more than look for illegal immigrants right?

Clearly, I am so amazingly stupid that I don't realize it. Why are you so painfully redundant?

But please, detail the important work being carried out by ICE that is necessary to our society.

 

[Starbuck1975]

You just haven't seen it, I suppose. But "Abolish ICE" has been a beating drum over the past months as they have targeted primarily peaceful immigrants that live as good members of society.

How they are handling children is certainly beyond the pale, but ICE should not exist. They are behaving as a anti-brown people police force with terrible oversight and horrifying tactics.

Those good immigrants are also part of an exploited class of cheap labor that very few Americans want to see go away. You obviously see racism behind efforts to keep migrant workers out. What about the inherent racism of a predominantly brown servant class? We fought a civil war to end slavery but never lost our insatiable appetite for cheap labor. Of course, those exploiting that labor for child care and house cleaning and landscaping and trade work and all hands car washes don’t see that they are part of the problem.

I am more than happy to see ICE goes away, but that shift needs to include a sensible guest worker program and fair market wages that facilitates the revival of our middle class.

 

[dainthomas]

No we did not. ICE was the combination of different things the US was already doing. ICE did not create new things to do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Immigration_and_Customs_Enforcement

The larger government bureaucracies are, the less nimble they become (as we see with their recent screw ups related to lack of planning). And giving one agency so much power makes the consequences of someone abusing that power much more severe.

Time to break them (and DHS) up and roll everything back to how it was pre-2003. Would be nice if we could ditch the Patriot act at the same time.

 

[realibrad]

Clearly, I am so amazingly stupid that I don't realize it. Why are you so painfully redundant?

But please, detail the important work being carried out by ICE that is necessary to our society.

Clearly.

The divisions of ICE provide investigation, interdiction and security services to the public and other law enforcement partners in the federal and local sectors.

HSI special agents investigate a range of issues that threaten the national security of the United States such as human rights violations, human smuggling, art theft, human trafficking, drug trafficking, arms trafficking, document and benefit fraud, the manufacturing and sale of counterfeit immigration and identity documents, transnational gangs, financial crimes including money laundering and bulk cash smuggling, trade-based money laundering (including trade finance and Kimberley Process investigations), computer crimes, including the production and transportation of child pornography via the Internet, import/export enforcement, trafficking of counterfeit pharmaceuticals and other merchandise, and international Cultural Property and Antiquities crimes. HSI agents can be requested to provide security for VIPs, and also augment the U.S. Secret Service during overtaxed times such as special security events and elections.

Nope, don't need any of that right?

 

[realibrad]

The larger government bureaucracies are, the less nimble they become (as we see with their recent screw ups related to lack of planning). And giving one agency so much power makes the consequences of someone abusing that power much more severe.

Time to break them (and DHS) up and roll everything back to how it was pre-2003. Would be nice if we could ditch the Patriot act at the same time.

So you want to continue doing all of the things, but break it up?

 

[jackstar7]

Those good immigrants are also part of an exploited class of cheap labor that very few Americans want to see go away. You obviously see racism behind efforts to keep migrant workers out. What about the inherent racism of a predominantly brown servant class? We fought a civil war to end slavery but never lost our insatiable appetite for cheap labor. Of course, those exploiting that labor for child care and house cleaning and landscaping and trade work and all hands car washes don’t see that they are part of the problem.

I am more than happy to see ICE goes away, but that shift needs to include a sensible guest worker program and fair market wages that facilitates the revival of our middle class.

We've been losing the class war for decades. If this is a front where we can fight back, that's great.

 

[jackstar7]

Clearly.

Nope, don't need any of that right?

Do we need all of that under the control of one agency that lacks correct oversight? We do not. Also, a lot of what they are tasked with seems like it would be better suited to the FBI or even the NSA. Why do we need them?

 

[realibrad]

Do we need all of that under the control of one agency that lacks correct oversight? We do not. Also, a lot of what they are tasked with seems like it would be better suited to the FBI or even the NSA. Why do we need them?

Hahaha nice deflection. So before you wanted to do away with ICE, and now its you wanting to do everything ICE does, but not call it ICE. Wow, that will help everything!

 

[jackstar7]

Hahaha nice deflection. So before you wanted to do away with ICE, and now its you wanting to do everything ICE does, but not call it ICE. Wow, that will help everything!

Oh, I see. You want to win, not discuss. I knew there was a new smell on you of dumbness. Now it's been pinpointed. It makes sense since you pounced on something that had nothing to do with you.

I didn't say we need all of what they do. I don't want much of it. But you seem to have your heart set on having those things, so I suggest they not be under the purview of a poorly managed system.

 

[dainthomas]

So you want to continue doing all of the things, but break it up?

I mean, not the racist things we're doing now. But we wouldn't have terrible people like Kjirjstjen Nielson with the power to screw up such a wide variety of things up on a whim.

 

[glenn1]

Oh, I see. You want to win, not discuss. I knew there was a new smell on you of dumbness. Now it's been pinpointed. It makes sense since you pounced on something that had nothing to do with you.

I didn't say we need all of what they do. I don't want much of it. But you seem to have your heart set on having those things, so I suggest they not be under the purview of a poorly managed system.

So basically ICE that just doesn't enforce our immigration laws is what suits you. Got it.

 

[jackstar7]

So basically ICE that just doesn't enforce our immigration laws is what suits you. Got it.

They way they are currently being enforced? That's correct.

The "how" matters.

 

[Blackjack200]

Clearly.

Nope, don't need any of that right?

No.

 

[realibrad]

Oh, I see. You want to win, not discuss. I knew there was a new smell on you of dumbness. Now it's been pinpointed. It makes sense since you pounced on something that had nothing to do with you.

I didn't say we need all of what they do. I don't want much of it. But you seem to have your heart set on having those things, so I suggest they not be under the purview of a poorly managed system.

BS. You were trying to discuss nothing. You said ICE should be ended. That is not an opener for a discussion. If you wanted to talk about ICE, then you should have started by saying that, not destroy it.

 

[realibrad]

I mean, not the racist things we're doing now. But we wouldn't have terrible people like Kjirjstjen Nielson with the power to screw up such a wide variety of things up on a whim.

Then your argument is that we need to break up all power structures because when the system gets large amounts of power, it can be corrupted by a single person. Welcome to states rights vs federal rights sir. The principle you are referring to was the crux of the US foundation when we first started. Large amounts of power should not be grated to individuals.

This was the position that the Right used to have before it ate its own shit.

 

[jackstar7]

BS. You were trying to discuss nothing. You said ICE should be ended. That is not an opener for a discussion. If you wanted to talk about ICE, then you should have started by saying that, not destroy it.

Oh, sod off. I was engaged in a discussion with someone else before you jumped in to "WIN!" whatever points you're tracking.

 

[jackstar7]

Then your argument is that we need to break up all power structures because when the system gets large amounts of power, it can be corrupted by a single person. Welcome to states rights vs federal rights sir. The principle you are referring to was the crux of the US foundation when we first started. Large amounts of power should not be grated to individuals.

This was the position that the Right used to have before it ate its own shit.

Do you ever not fall back on argument from absurdity?

Of course you do, I'm exaggerating for ironic effect. But also, sod off.

 

[realibrad]

Oh, sod off. I was engaged in a discussion with someone else before you jumped in to "WIN!" whatever points you're tracking.

I'm just trying to start a conversation...

You just haven't seen it, I suppose. But "Abolish ICE" has been a beating drum over the past months as they have targeted primarily peaceful immigrants that live as good members of society.

How they are handling children is certainly beyond the pale, but ICE should not exist. They are behaving as a anti-brown people police force with terrible oversight and horrifying tactics.

ICE is racist and doing horrifying things, so it should not exist. Its how I open up all my discussions.

Sod off indeed.

 

[realibrad]

Do you ever not fall back on argument from absurdity?

Of course you do, I'm exaggerating for ironic effect. But also, sod off.

Lol, are you trying to say that I am using the "argument to absurdity"? If so then its perfectly valid.

 

[jackstar7]

Lol, are you trying to say that I am using the "argument to absurdity"? If so then its perfectly valid.

Ha.