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K1052

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You're a seriously sick motherfucker, and surprisingly stupid.
This is partially my fault as I know that many of you view the world through a lens of hate. But every so often I decide to post a thought and inevitably all the little beta males have to flex their little e muscles and pretend to be tough guys. As always I shake my head and wonder why I bother ever posting anything as the result is absolutely predictable.

One more idiot to add to the ignore list.

I'm not sure how you think you can get away with rationalizing or simply ignoring rampantly immoral and illegal actions (because you directionally agree with the goals) and expect us not to notice. That was not a good shoot but you found a way to make it her fault that's not borne out by the available facts. I guess we are mean betas or whatever because we can observe objective reality.
 

Pontius Dilate

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You're a seriously sick motherfucker, and surprisingly stupid.
This is partially my fault as I know that many of you view the world through a lens of hate. But every so often I decide to post a thought and inevitably all the little beta males have to flex their little e muscles and pretend to be tough guys. As always I shake my head and wonder why I bother ever posting anything as the result is absolutely predictable.

One more idiot to add to the ignore list.
You're making up excuses on behalf of the government agents who used deadly force in contravention of their own policies and US law. Just like you made excuses for the agent who shot the clergyman in the face with a pepperball by saying bUt iT's nOn LEtHaL. You can't possibly wonder to yourself, why are there ICE agents roaming around random neighborhoods in Minneapolis, why did they give conflicting orders, and then when the innocent person attempted to comply why they execute her, why did they violently raid a high school causing the entire public school system to shut down? Nope, it's just, "well she shouldn't have done that regardless of what the agents did."
 

JD50

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You're a seriously sick motherfucker, and surprisingly stupid.
This is partially my fault as I know that many of you view the world through a lens of hate. But every so often I decide to post a thought and inevitably all the little beta males have to flex their little e muscles and pretend to be tough guys. As always I shake my head and wonder why I bother ever posting anything as the result is absolutely predictable.

One more idiot to add to the ignore list.
Maybe you'd have a better time here if you ignored the people making those sorts of comments and actually responded to people making valid points and trying to have a discussion with you. You've gotten into the habit of doing the opposite. "viewing the world through a lens of hate" describes Trump perfectly, and you thought he'd be a good fit to run the country and represent you. You know, the guy who lied about the cop being run over and barely hanging on in the hospital
 

brycejones

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Which is why police are trained to not stand in front of the car. BTW his actions were contrary to SCOTUS rulings and DOJ policies on the use of force.

You're a seriously sick motherfucker, and surprisingly stupid.
This is partially my fault as I know that many of you view the world through a lens of hate. But every so often I decide to post a thought and inevitably all the little beta males have to flex their little e muscles and pretend to be tough guys. As always I shake my head and wonder why I bother ever posting anything as the result is absolutely predictable.

One more idiot to add to the ignore list.
I guess the post just before yours was too complicated for you to understand.
 

Jaskalas

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You guys realize that this white woman paid with her life cause she put her own body between goons and brown people right? You sure you wanna play a reverse uno on this one?
Do we know if any of that is true?
I have never read any indication that this woman was a political activist, or involved in any way. Aside from being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
 

GoPackGo

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Those of you who support and applaud this murder how can you justify the second and third headshots after the killer was out of any danger?
 
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outriding

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It is pretty obvious the ice agents requirements and training were dramatically reduced to make staffing quotas…

And I would imagine that came from the top (Kristi noem)

With all the other incidents of Ice agents being clearly under training and not fit for duty, along with Kristi not even knowing the law. See her confirmation hearing where she had no idea what habeas corpus. I believe there is a good civil case against Kristi


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I hope the investigations dive into the lack of training these ice agents are getting

And moving forward states can enforce minimum standards..

And I would imagine there were standards before this and they were intentionally ignored
 

misuspita

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I’ve always said about 2A if the government really wants to get you ain’t nothing you can own going to stop them. 2A to stop tyrannical government has always been a tough guy talking point

What most of us know if we start shooting at federal LE martial law is declared and the military is turned on US citizens. Courts would actually sustain under those circumstances.

Trump is looking for a way to enact it that will be sustained by courts.
Dude, I'm from România. We had to get killed to get rid of Ceaușescu. We were also stupid enough because lack of education, to vote communist after our revolution, but when fed up, people got out and put theirselfs in front of the army. We did this multiple times in our history after 1989. Myself, went in front of the government building and shouted and made peaceful protests, day by day, for 3 weeks. At the peak, we were more than 100k there, and 600k in the whole cou try. Being a 21 million people country, it was huge.

So, I am not keen to listen to "it can't be done". No revolution is done peacefully, no change of power is done without victims. Power always clings to power. W
Europeans know that, because we have a long history of doing it. You don't. At all. Sorry for being blunt
 

K1052

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Dude, I'm from România. We had to get killed to get rid of Ceaușescu. We were also stupid enough because lack of education, to vote communist after our revolution, but when fed up, people got out and put theirselfs in front of the army. We did this multiple times in our history after 1989. Myself, went in front of the government building and shouted and made peaceful protests, day by day, for 3 weeks. At the peak, we were more than 100k there, and 600k in the whole cou try. Being a 21 million people country, it was huge.

So, I am not keen to listen to "it can't be done". No revolution is done peacefully, no change of power is done without victims. Power always clings to power. W
Europeans know that, because we have a long history of doing it. You don't. At all. Sorry for being blunt

Eastern Europe has, by far, a more impressive record at tossing out shithead dictators and authoritarians than the US is ever likely to.
 

IronWing

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You're a seriously sick motherfucker, and surprisingly stupid.
This is partially my fault as I know that many of you view the world through a lens of hate. But every so often I decide to post a thought and inevitably all the little beta males have to flex their little e muscles and pretend to be tough guys. As always I shake my head and wonder why I bother ever posting anything as the result is absolutely predictable.

One more idiot to add to the ignore list.
You voted to murder this woman so I don’t look to you as a person who should be offering lectures on hate.
 

Muse

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Watched multiple videos. Straight up murder. He was not defending himself, he was inflicting knee-jerk trigger happy calamity.
 
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mindless1

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Do we know if any of that is true?
I have never read any indication that this woman was a political activist, or involved in any way. Aside from being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I know what you mean. I often find myself parked sideways in the middle of a busy road and coincidentally manage to block ice agents while doing so.
 

mindless1

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Those of you who support and applaud this murder how can you justify the second and third headshots after the killer was out of any danger?
Ridiculous way to put it. I don't support, let alone applaud what happened but the shots were one after the other, no time to stop and gauge what effect the first one had.

I recognize why they did it and it was an inexcusable reaction considering their proximity and the delay of any possible effect on a moving vehicle that close. Due to that, if they absolutely had to fire a weapon to make a point for her to not behave that recklessly, then it should've been a warning shot, not a death sentence.

UNSUBSCRIBED because clearly this is another topic gone off the rails with false nonsense beyond the consensus that it never should've happened.
 
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fskimospy

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Ridiculous way to put it. I don't support, let alone applaud what happened but the shots were one after the other, no time to stop and gauge what effect the first one had.

I recognize why they did it and it was an inexcusable reaction considering their proximity and the delay of any possible effect on a moving vehicle that close. Due to that, if they absolutely had to fire a weapon to make a point for her to not behave that recklessly, then it should've been a warning shot, not a death sentence.

UNSUBSCRIBED because clearly this is another topic gone off the rails with false nonsense beyond the consensus that it never should've happened.
Warning shots are generally illegal and/or against police regulations throughout the US and firing a warning shot is often considered a crime in and of itself. You only discharge a weapon if you intend to hit someone with the bullet.

From what I've seen and read this is absolutely something that could be prosecuted as murder or at least voluntary manslaughter as a result of gross negligence on the part of the ICE guy. The feds are obviously trying to whitewash this but regardless of federal cooperation or not Minnesota should absolutely open a case into this with the intent of securing a conviction.
 
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Pontius Dilate

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Ridiculous way to put it. I don't support, let alone applaud what happened but the shots were one after the other, no time to stop and gauge what effect the first one had.

I recognize why they did it and it was an inexcusable reaction considering their proximity and the delay of any possible effect on a moving vehicle that close. Due to that, if they absolutely had to fire a weapon to make a point for her to not behave that recklessly, then it should've been a warning shot, not a death sentence.

UNSUBSCRIBED because clearly this is another topic gone off the rails with false nonsense beyond the consensus that it never should've happened.
LOL unsubscribed. Warning shots are generally prohibited by law enforcement. What else have you seen that's false?
 

misuspita

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Eastern Europe has, by far, a more impressive record at tossing out shithead dictators and authoritarians than the US is ever likely to.
Because we've actually lived under a dictatorship and seen it's blessing. It's shit. There's famine and corruption and we never want to go there. You've never had to fight for that, and your social immune system is lacking. If Trump happened in whatever country Europe 2020, he would already be dead or in prison .
 

fskimospy

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Maybe you'd have a better time here if you ignored the people making those sorts of comments and actually responded to people making valid points and trying to have a discussion with you. You've gotten into the habit of doing the opposite. "viewing the world through a lens of hate" describes Trump perfectly, and you thought he'd be a good fit to run the country and represent you. You know, the guy who lied about the cop being run over and barely hanging on in the hospital
This is my favorite part. @Greenman ignores people who try to engage with him reasonably and factually, which is what he claims to want!

The only posts he responds to are people insulting him and the purpose of his response is to complain about the insults.
 
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While the Tump administration keeps lying, 3 young children cry their eyes out. No dad, no mum.

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Small excerpt from news site text :
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The woman shot dead by a federal immigration agent in Minneapolis has been identified as Renee Nicole Good, a 37-year-old mother of three who had just moved to the city.
She was a prize-winning poet and a hobby guitarist, who city leaders have said was there as a legal observer of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) activities.

The Minnesota Star Tribune reports that she used to host a podcast with her second husband, Tim Macklin, who died in 2023. They had a son together, who is now six years old, Macklin's father told the newspaper.
She had two other children with her first husband, who spoke to US media on condition that his name was not used. He said that Good was not an activist and that she was a devoted Christian who went to Northern Ireland on youth missions when she was younger.
She had previously worked as a dental assistant and at a credit union, but had mainly been a stay-at-home mum in recent years, according to the Associated Press.

Her mother, Donna Ganger, told the Minnesota Star Tribune that her daughter was "probably terrified" during the confrontation with officers that saw her fatally shot and that she was "one of the kindest people I've ever known".
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IronWing

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I know what you mean. I often find myself parked sideways in the middle of a busy road and coincidentally manage to block ice agents while doing so.
By blocking the street, of course you mean following ICE direction to turn her vehicle around and leave.