I wanted to stock up on Windows XP...

[TheVrolok]

I'll throw my hat in as another person who has had 0 problems with Vista 64. So much for it being garbage.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: Ryan711
If I can't buy it anywhere, then it is now public domain in my eyes.

I like how you put that. I will have to remember it.

MotionMan

Unfortunately that probably wouldn't fly in court. But it's not like MS takes pirates to court anyways.

 

[Deadtrees]

Originally posted by: kevnich2
Windows 7 is said to be just as bad as Vista, which means XP will be even more popular than it is now. I can't count the number of people I've spoken to that say they hate Vista but they don't have any choice in the matter. Luckily, a lot of them did choose the XP downgrade, so I was able to reload XP onto it for them.

Vista was only bad when it was first released and after a while. The problem was compability issues and XP was the same when it came out. Because of all those bad reviews and opions, majority of people are still afraid of Vista when, in fact, is just as flawless as XP nowadays.

Windows 7, IMHO, will change that because it's based on Vista, thus it wouldn't have issues as Vista did. Even if Windows 7 is pretty much the same as Vista, people who complained about Vista will use it thinking it's great because it's not "Vista."

Anyway, those people who think Vista is bloated, suck, or whatever should think about how XP was rated when it came out. As far as I rember, XP hate was even stronger back then.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

If a person gets a netbook with XP Home, is there a way to upgrade to Pro short of buying Pro and doing a new install?

 

[Elganja]

Originally posted by: TheVrolok
I'll throw my hat in as another person who has had 0 problems with Vista 64. So much for it being garbage.

 

[Anubis]

99.99% of all vista issues are because of PEBKAC. lots of it on AT

 

[mikej007]

Originally posted by: SunnyD
Well, if Windows 7 is indeed as bad as Vista, I suppose I'll be installing it on release day.

I don't know what the hell all the Vista haters smoke (you guys probably are Apple fanboys I guess), but I've have 0 problems from day 1 with Vista. In fact, I like it better than XP. It runs faster, is easier to use, and looks better to boot. Vista 64 bit, not a problem in the world with it.

QFMFT

The only issue I had with it was slow shutdown on my laptop (sometimes it hung). But on my 2 desktops- flawless.

 

[Paladin3]

An OS is just a tool, use the one that meets your needs and stop thinking of it as a religion.

 

[finite automaton]

Some of you must be doing it wrong

I'm running Vista x64 on a nearly 3 year old machine, and it runs very nicely (as nice or nicer than XP).

Opteron 165 @ 2.85Ghz
4x1GB OCZ DDR408

I don't know what other specs are relevant. I can fully understand those who have issues with older software, as that's been a pain in my ass too. I just simply found alternatives.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: QueBert
LOL are you saying with bad drivers Vista can keep from crashing?

Interesting because I get random BSOD's from my MB built in NIC's drivers and my keyboard drivers cause Vista to BSOD every boot. I had to uninstall them. Never device gave me any problem in XP ever...

Vista takes way more memory and crashes more for me. I don't like XP but I really don't like Vista.

Vista can actually recover from a peripheral BSOD, such as the video card. The screen will glitch, then go black, then come back, and the system tray will say that Vista recovered a problem with such and such device driver. It cannot however save itself from a motherboard/hdd array type BSOD which is a death blow. However, the video card resurrection is an impressive thing to witness.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: villageidiot111
I dare you to name a problem you've personally experienced with Vista.

Bugs on initial release:

1 - Trillian logging would not work. I'm sure I could have fixed the rights to the directory, but had no issues in XP so now its an issue whether or not it can be resolved.

2 - Dual Monitor usage would make my screen completely unusable. All I could see were mostly green wavy lines. Only way to fix it was to SOMEHOW (using the keyboard / mouse without being able to see) get it back to single monitor or reboot the computer in safe mode. Did not have this issue in XP with the same setup. (I should note: This issue was random but frequent)

3 - Slow. (Asking if I used 32 bit vs 64bit is irrelevant. 32bit XP works just fine, therefor this is a Vista issue)

4 - Game support such as Starcraft (yeah old game, still, didn't have this issue before)

Issues that remained after SP1 (I stopped using it then tried it again after SP1 release)

2, 4 and possibly 3 but I didn't use it long enough to find out.

A lot of people like to blame "ancient hardware" or just the hardware in general... 2 things:

1 - It worked before using Vista
2 - Even if this is the case, an OS forcing me to change hardware is a problem. Costs me more money.

That being said, I don't mind Vista all that much. I most definitely prefer XP though.

EDIT:

Forgot: Another issue with Vista -

Could not use the RAID on my mobo. You can relate this to my 2nd set of numbered bullets.

I love this. You know what, let me respond...

1 - Trillian ALWAYS had a problem even with WinXP and multiple profiles. Ironically, I think I was the first one to actually figure out how to get 3.0/3.1 to work with user profiles in XP properly. Other than that, it's not our fault if you don't know how to right-click and select "Run as Administrator" on install.

2 - Never once had a problem with dual or even 3 monitors in Vista. My guess - you were using old drivers or something to that nature.

3 - Slowness? Simply untrue. Synthetic benchmarks maybe, but other than that I find my Vista machines just as responsive as any XP machine I've worked on, save a completely fresh XP install with absolutely nothing on it.

4 - Game support? Starcraft? I ran Starcraft for several months just fine on 3 different Vista boxes, along with my friend. Even used DXWin without problems. Occasionally had issues with networking, but that's because that particular machine at my previous employer had me on a completely different (administrative) subnet as 99% of the rest of the company. Got that out of the way and life was grand - not a Vista problem either.

I do have ONE solitary game which has an issue with Vista - UB Funkeys (my son's game). Won't run on my desktop - but that's not because it's Vista, that's because it's 64-bit. Runs absolutely fine on my wife's 32-bit Vista laptop.

There are a few examples of more common software which Vista doesn't like so much. I know exactly why too. For that reason that software is outdated and SHOULD be replaced from a security standpoint. Hardware compatibility? I have none, unless you're trying to install Vista on an old 486 with VLB video cards or something.

So any other myths that need to be debunked?

 

[Gibson486]

I like XP better than Vista, but I would not pay top dollar for XP. Vista seems a little dumb downed for me. It took me forever just to figure out how to manually set up wireless network settings. I can see why non technical people would like it though.

I think the dumbening down of the OS just offended some. Ofcourse, the process change is going to piss people off, as they now have to learn a new process. However, if you cannot adapt to chnages, then tough. Ofcourse, MS coudl have done a better job at adapting the OS in the corporate world. Everyone in the corporate world uses XP, not because we want too, but because we are forced too. When vendors refuse to support the latest OS, you know somethig is wrong with it.

 

[Tobolo]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: kevnich2
Windows 7 is said to be just as bad as Vista, which means XP will be even more popular than it is now. I can't count the number of people I've spoken to that say they hate Vista but they don't have any choice in the matter. Luckily, a lot of them did choose the XP downgrade, so I was able to reload XP onto it for them.

Well, if Windows 7 is indeed as bad as Vista, I suppose I'll be installing it on release day.

I don't know what the hell all the Vista haters smoke (you guys probably are Apple fanboys I guess), but I've have 0 problems from day 1 with Vista. In fact, I like it better than XP. It runs faster, is easier to use, and looks better to boot. Vista 64 bit, not a problem in the world with it.

I think that a lot of it comes down to experience. If you have the experience and know how to actually operate a system correctly, then vista is great. If not then you are FUBAR and will have to use XP.

 

[Insomniator]

Lol nice job wasting 1200 bucks.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: villageidiot111
I dare you to name a problem you've personally experienced with Vista.

Bugs on initial release:

1 - Trillian logging would not work. I'm sure I could have fixed the rights to the directory, but had no issues in XP so now its an issue whether or not it can be resolved.

2 - Dual Monitor usage would make my screen completely unusable. All I could see were mostly green wavy lines. Only way to fix it was to SOMEHOW (using the keyboard / mouse without being able to see) get it back to single monitor or reboot the computer in safe mode. Did not have this issue in XP with the same setup. (I should note: This issue was random but frequent)

3 - Slow. (Asking if I used 32 bit vs 64bit is irrelevant. 32bit XP works just fine, therefor this is a Vista issue)

4 - Game support such as Starcraft (yeah old game, still, didn't have this issue before)

Issues that remained after SP1 (I stopped using it then tried it again after SP1 release)

2, 4 and possibly 3 but I didn't use it long enough to find out.

A lot of people like to blame "ancient hardware" or just the hardware in general... 2 things:

1 - It worked before using Vista
2 - Even if this is the case, an OS forcing me to change hardware is a problem. Costs me more money.

That being said, I don't mind Vista all that much. I most definitely prefer XP though.

EDIT:

Forgot: Another issue with Vista -

Could not use the RAID on my mobo. You can relate this to my 2nd set of numbered bullets.

I love this. You know what, let me respond...

1 - Trillian ALWAYS had a problem even with WinXP and multiple profiles. Ironically, I think I was the first one to actually figure out how to get 3.0/3.1 to work with user profiles in XP properly. Other than that, it's not our fault if you don't know how to right-click and select "Run as Administrator" on install.

2 - Never once had a problem with dual or even 3 monitors in Vista. My guess - you were using old drivers or something to that nature.

3 - Slowness? Simply untrue. Synthetic benchmarks maybe, but other than that I find my Vista machines just as responsive as any XP machine I've worked on, save a completely fresh XP install with absolutely nothing on it.

4 - Game support? Starcraft? I ran Starcraft for several months just fine on 3 different Vista boxes, along with my friend. Even used DXWin without problems. Occasionally had issues with networking, but that's because that particular machine at my previous employer had me on a completely different (administrative) subnet as 99% of the rest of the company. Got that out of the way and life was grand - not a Vista problem either.

I do have ONE solitary game which has an issue with Vista - UB Funkeys (my son's game). Won't run on my desktop - but that's not because it's Vista, that's because it's 64-bit. Runs absolutely fine on my wife's 32-bit Vista laptop.

There are a few examples of more common software which Vista doesn't like so much. I know exactly why too. For that reason that software is outdated and SHOULD be replaced from a security standpoint. Hardware compatibility? I have none, unless you're trying to install Vista on an old 486 with VLB video cards or something.

So any other myths that need to be debunked?

He was asked for personal issues. He gave them. You "debunked" nothing. All you did was explain them. However, he was not asked for issues that cannot be resolved. There are workarounds and fixes for most things. The real issue it that such things should not have existed in Vista in the first place.

IMO, Vista, out of the box, should have worked better than XP - Obviously it did not. That cannot be debunked. That many of the issues were eventually fixed is not in dispute, but, may be irrelevant to the discussion.

MotionMan

 

[Deviant Grasshopper]

Originally posted by: Anubis
99.99% of all vista issues are because of PEBKAC. lots of it on AT

This.

 

[evident]

wtf is wrong with vista? i love it you people are morans

 

[Leros]

Originally posted by: evident
wtf is wrong with vista? i love it you people are morans

I've been having some BSODs with Vista. I think the blame lies on Dell's graphic driver though.

 

[finite automaton]

Originally posted by: Leros

Originally posted by: evident
wtf is wrong with vista? i love it you people are morans

I've been having some BSODs with Vista. I think the blame lies on Dell's graphic driver though.

Have you tried drivers directly from the chip manufacturer?

 

[skillyho]

I had Vista 64 on my main machine and switched back b/c of the solid 15-20FPS drop in many games (according to FRAPS benches). I play at 1920x1200 and this was enough of a difference for me to rollback to a more efficient gaming OS instead of upgrading my video card.

I never had any problems with blue screens/lockups/compatibility issues...just gaming performance degradation.

 

[AdamK47]

I hate Vista! I can't get any of my games to work on it.

 

[roid450]

Why are people so afraid of Vista? All people I know that will not use Vista or say Vista sucks, used Vista over a year ago, when indeed it did suck BALLS. Now i would never think of going back to XP, for me it would be a waste of time reformatting and repartitioning.

 

[GundamSonicZeroX]

Originally posted by: Leros
Do you build systems for people? If so, I'm surprised you didn't buy more.

This.

 

[Crusty]

Originally posted by: kevnich2
Windows 7 is said to be just as bad as Vista, which means XP will be even more popular than it is now. I can't count the number of people I've spoken to that say they hate Vista but they don't have any choice in the matter. Luckily, a lot of them did choose the XP downgrade, so I was able to reload XP onto it for them.

LOL please. Let me guess, you've never even used Vista too?

Vista is leaps and bounds better then XP in every aspect. The only thing I can understand people complaining about would be the UI, but that's personal preference and has nothing to do with how the actual OS runs.

 

[Insomniator]

ooohhh mojaaaaveee