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[lxskllr]

As for declawing, i would think a claw is a claw.
Better to have no claws and a good home than to eventually get dragged out into the yard to get shot.

Declawing any cat is ALWAYS wrong. If you can't deal with cat claws, then a cat isn't the pet for you. Fish might be more appropriate.

 

[0roo0roo]

Declawing any cat is ALWAYS wrong. If you can't deal with cat claws, then a cat isn't the pet for you. Fish might be more appropriate.

Its no more traumatic than removing its ability to reproduce, aka spay/neutering. Don't get on your high horse about this, it all comes down to altering a pet for human convenience. While anti declawing folks while hem and haw like anti abortion folks do trying to push scare stories and use blatant exageration/falsehoods to try to demonize, its just a load of sh*t really. Most declawed cats are fine, but like the anti abortion folks, folks like you talk like every woman who's had an abortion is so traumatized she's damaged for life. Its spurious logic.

 

[lxskllr]

Its no more traumatic than removing its ability to reproduce, aka spay/neutering. Don't get on your high horse about this, it all comes down to altering a pet for human convenience. While anti declawing folks while hem and haw like anti abortion folks do trying to push scare stories and use blatant exageration/falsehoods to try to demonize, its just a load of sh*t really. Most declawed cats are fine, but like the anti abortion folks, folks like you talk like every woman who's had an abortion is so traumatized she's damaged for life. Its spurious logic.

Bullshit. If you want an animal, you take it as-is, hassles included. You could also cut your kid's legs off so they don't run into traffic. Most legless kids are fine, right?

Fact is, cats are better off with their claws, and if someone doesn't want want to deal with it, there's plenty of people that will.

 

[0roo0roo]

Bullshit. If you want an animal, you take it as-is, hassles included. You could also cut your kid's legs off so they don't run into traffic. Most legless kids are fine, right?

Fact is, cats are better off with their claws, and if someone doesn't want want to deal with it, there's plenty of people that will.

Bullshit, you are blind as any rabid anti abortion ranter. Since i'm sure you condone neutering/spaying i guess your logic of applying/testing morality through equal treatment to humans means neutering your kid to keep em from having inconvenient children is fine by you as well. Your logic is so inconsistent it is fail. Never mind the fundamental difference that you can't own people is rather glaring. Trying to judge morality by applying pet treatment to people is not a road you want to go down. We put animals to sleep all the time for instance. We even eat them at times as well.

Fact is cats are better off in good homes where they fit in as a good pet, if free meals and care mean no claws, big effing deal. You making it into some crusading moral issue is patently ridiculous. In fact its even worse than abortion protestors who atleast believe they are fighting over a human life, which justifies in their eyes their exageration, dishonesty, and demonization tactics. Folks like you on the other hand use those same tactics over cats who live just fine without their claws. You aren't even consistent, you will very happily justify modifying an animals repoductive system just for the convenience and pleasure of human beings. Yet this you draw the line, its stupidity.

 

[lxskllr]

Bullshit, you are blind as any rabid anti abortion ranter. Since i'm sure you condone neutering/spaying i guess your logic of applying/testing morality through equal treatment to humans means neutering your kid to keep em from having inconvenient children is fine by you as well. Your logic is so inconsistent it is fail. Never mind the fundamental difference that you can't own people is rather glaring. Trying to judge morality by applying pet treatment to people is not a road you want to go down. We put animals to sleep all the time for instance. We even eat them at times as well.

Fact is cats are better off in good homes where they fit in as a good pet, if free meals and care mean no claws, big effing deal. You making it into some crusading moral issue is patently ridiculous. In fact its even worse than abortion protestors who atleast believe they are fighting over a human life, which justifies in their eyes their exageration, dishonesty, and demonization tactics. Folks like you on the other hand use those same tactics over cats who live just fine without their claws. You aren't even consistent, you will very happily justify modifying an animals repoductive system just for the convenience and pleasure of human beings. Yet this you draw the line, its stupidity.

Your ass is out. If you don't want a cat, don't get a fuckin' cat. Cats come with claws, and it's a large part of what they are. It's no different than getting an elephant, and removing it's trunk because they tear shit up. If you don't want it tearing shit up, don't get an elephant. Really fuckin' simple....

 

[0roo0roo]

Your ass is out. If you don't want a cat, don't get a fuckin' cat. Cats come with claws, and it's a large part of what they are. It's no different than getting an elephant, and removing it's trunk because they tear shit up. If you don't want it tearing shit up, don't get an elephant. Really fuckin' simple....

By your logic since applying neutering/spaying to your children would be cruel and unusual, NO ONE should own a cat.

So don't talk about your ass being out. If you want to mutilate an animal for your selfish pleasure, then fine, atleast be honest and consistent about it and not push some kind of arbitrary hipocrisy while getting on your moral high horse to condemn like a self righteous idiot. This shit about declawing is some of the worse irrationality out there. Worse than the psycho segment of the anti abortion crowd even. Especially since many of theses anti declawers normally point fingers at prolifers over the same spurious logic and tactics that they are now applying themselves. Its ridiculous.

You don't want an animal to have babies? Don't get one. See how wonderful your logic is? Gag... don't talk about fucking simple, you've failed simple logic.

 

[Gooberlx2]

canada.com sounds almost like a parody...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashera
"The cat is an alleged domestic/wild hybrid cat, a hybrid between the African serval, the Asian leopard cat, and a domestic housecat. However, the authenticity of the breed has been challenged, as the only known examples of "Ashera" cats have been proven by DNA testing to be Savannah cats, an existing breed.[3]"

That's what I always though when I see something about the Ashera. A Savannah is a cross between a domestic and serval. A Bengal, which is a recognized domestic breed, is a cross between an ALC and other domestic. So that makes an Ashera just a Serval/Bengal Savannah at most. It's going to be large because it seems like it's an F1 hybrid by definition.

 

[sjwaste]

I don't know that you can compare spaying/neutering to declawing. Spaying and neutering do physically alter the animal, but not in any way that's really noticeable to it. It's mostly a hormonal change. Declawing is basically removal of the forefinger.

If you need a human comparison, we don't consider a woman who's had a hysterectomy to be disabled, right? But we certainly would extend that consideration to a person missing all 10 forefingers.

I'd suggest a different pet if you insist on declawing any type of cat. A dog is a good option, and even though they chew shit up, nobody's talking about removing a dog's teeth, right?

 

[Juddog]

I don't know that you can compare spaying/neutering to declawing. Spaying and neutering do physically alter the animal, but not in any way that's really noticeable to it. It's mostly a hormonal change. Declawing is basically removal of the forefinger.

If you need a human comparison, we don't consider a woman who's had a hysterectomy to be disabled, right? But we certainly would extend that consideration to a person missing all 10 forefingers.

I'd suggest a different pet if you insist on declawing any type of cat. A dog is a good option, and even though they chew shit up, nobody's talking about removing a dog's teeth, right?

Teeth and claws are different. Nobody cares about declawing a dog because they don't tear up your furniture like a cat does. For what it's worth, all of my cats have had their claws, but the way my friend put it when they were raising a kitten was this: what is more humane, getting the cat declawed or giving it up to the pound where it will likely be put to sleep? This was a kitten that when they were raising it they didn't want to declaw but it started wrecking all of their furniture so bad that they had to either give it up or get it declawed. They chose to declaw.

 

[alkemyst]

I don't know that you can compare spaying/neutering to declawing. Spaying and neutering do physically alter the animal, but not in any way that's really noticeable to it. It's mostly a hormonal change. Declawing is basically removal of the forefinger.

If you need a human comparison, we don't consider a woman who's had a hysterectomy to be disabled, right? But we certainly would extend that consideration to a person missing all 10 forefingers.

I'd suggest a different pet if you insist on declawing any type of cat. A dog is a good option, and even though they chew shit up, nobody's talking about removing a dog's teeth, right?

sigh...

While like our DISTAL PHALAGES, it's not the same as cats don't deal with holding things like us.

For an exotic like this it would make no sense, but if declawing can find homes for cats rather than they be put to sleep it's a smart choice.

I have been involved in animals since a baby...professionally during my college years. I have yet to see a cat traumatized or a gimp due to a properly done declaw. The problem is there are a lot of craptasic vets out there. Also not all declaws involve removing the claw itself.

You can train a lot of things but it's nearly impossible to stop a cat from working it's claws. While 9 times out of 10 they pick that scratching post, that one time they pick 100 year old lace or a equivalent can make them unsuitable.

In the end most don't really care for their cats. Even with a declaw you want to keep the rear claws clipped on an indoor cat as they don't get the needed actions to naturally keep them short.

My cats are declawed (4 of them) and most think they are more like dogs than cats because they are social and not always hiding and running away nor trying to bite / scratch at those that want to pet them.

 

[sjwaste]

sigh...

While like our DISTAL PHALAGES, it's not the same as cats don't deal with holding things like us.

For an exotic like this it would make no sense, but if declawing can find homes for cats rather than they be put to sleep it's a smart choice.

I have been involved in animals since a baby...professionally during my college years. I have yet to see a cat traumatized or a gimp due to a properly done declaw. The problem is there are a lot of craptasic vets out there. Also not all declaws involve removing the claw itself.

You can train a lot of things but it's nearly impossible to stop a cat from working it's claws. While 9 times out of 10 they pick that scratching post, that one time they pick 100 year old lace or a equivalent can make them unsuitable.

In the end most don't really care for their cats. Even with a declaw you want to keep the rear claws clipped on an indoor cat as they don't get the needed actions to naturally keep them short.

My cats are declawed (4 of them) and most think they are more like dogs than cats because they are social and not always hiding and running away nor trying to bite / scratch at those that want to pet them.

I reread my post and I didn't make it clear - I'm talking about exotics like the subject of this thread.

While I have a preference for not declawing regular housecats, if it puts them in homes, I can live with that. It's not ideal, in my mind, but I can live with others' choice to do it because there are just a lot of strays and cats that would otherwise be put to sleep out there. I still think it's enough of a physical alteration that I wouldn't do it, but you can correctly say that's my choice, and you'd be correct. For an exotic, not so much. Basically, pick a different pet.

 

[alkemyst]

I don't think many vets would declaw one of the exotics/big cats unless there was a behavioral problem.

People really misunderstand declawing though...I am sure like with any surgery there is complications; however the main things many say about it are:

1) vets do this purely for profit. I don't agree with this at all as I have never had anyone tell me their vet has recommended declawing unless the owner asked.

2) the animal will never walk right / there is a long painful recovery. Again don't agree. I have never seen this happen nor have I not seen a cat up and about within hours of the surgery as if nothing happened.

3) the cat will turn into a biter. This I feel would be the case claws or not for many's cats. They simply don't socialize them or worse torture the poor things. My cats have no claws...my parents cats have no claws. Neither of these 6 cats will bite you even if you are doing something they don't really like. It takes hurting them and even then they only 'mouth' at first.

I do a lot with local animal charities. Mostly food donations and sending money. It's sad how many good cats have to be put down. Dogs have it a little better, but not much.

I have even thought about what if they required those in certain welfare/rehabilitation programs to prove proper care for a pet as part of their aid. It's definite a cost to the city already to house, care and even euthanize these pets already.