I like the Zune, but if it's video you want, get a Creative Zen Vision:M. I have one (got it as a grad present), and I absolutely love it. The video is really clear. Try it out first, though, because some people don't like the menus. It works with any software (I use WMP, but it also works with Explorer and Creative's stuff). The stuff from Creative can even convert video for it. And you can record from the radio (depending on the firmware. Creative recently put out an update that killed that feature, but I got mine when it first came out, so I don't update anymore.) Plus, not everyone has one, so you don't really fit in with a fan-boi cult or whatever. Plus it just rocks. And it has output to TV with the RCA cables.
uberman
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Really though, you may not even have the right to buy music to listen to anymore. They will have you renting it for life. That's where DRM is going.
The music industry has never been proactive, they always been reactive. I already owned the rights to listen to my music endlessly. However, when they come out with a new format they want me to buy those rights all over again. I'd happily pay for the costs of new media and surrender my older formats. But its all about extracting as much money from you as possible, even if you already have rights under fair use.
You younger people will be hurt in the end. I'm thinking of the future.
Duddy
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Trust me, Microsoft does not wrap every song in DRM. They wanted full file sharing but the RIAA didn't like that. The only way Microsoft could make the RIAA happy was to apply Meta data that gave each song a time limit if it is recieved from another Zune.
Snow is to the Sun (as) DRM is to the Zune
I agree that the music industry is an avalanche of suck. But DRM isn't all that bad. IMO it's about choosing an open format, and iTunes is definitely not that.
With most drm you can burn your purchase to CD - usually 5+ times. Use one of those times to archive it. You, the licensed owner, are usually allowed to transcode the content into whatever format you want.
Re the watching of recorded tv on the zune: should be possible. If you're using MCE the recorded show is just a thinly wrapped mpeg. Use one of the tools out there (GraphEdit, etc.) to convert it and save it to the zune. Unless it plays dvr-ms natively.
uberman
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JasonCoder,
People have been making and sharing music for years (this has been replayed in the news). The music industry keeps trying to prevent ownership and fair use. We've already lost much of that. Supporting DRM is simply the final nail in the coffin.
Yes, I did understand your post. But, when do you finally say to the music industry, enough is enough, I'm not going to take it anymore! If you keep giving up your rights, someday you'll look around and realize you have none.
We have a chance to vote with our wallets to protect future generations.
People have been making and sharing music for years (this has been replayed in the news). The music industry keeps trying to prevent ownership and fair use. We've already lost much of that. Supporting DRM is simply the final nail in the coffin.
Yes, I did understand your post. But, when do you finally say to the music industry, enough is enough, I'm not going to take it anymore! If you keep giving up your rights, someday you'll look around and realize you have none.
We have a chance to vote with our wallets to protect future generations.
mrSHEiK124
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YAUIB (Uninformed iPod Basher)
iPods do NOT wrap everything in DRM. You can browse the file structure of the iPod using either Windows Explorer or tiny, <1MB 3rd party apps that you put in your iPod's root directory, something we can easily do because the iPod exists as Removable Storage once iTunes is installed, the Zune does not. As long as the files I'm putting on my iPod are MY OWN, whether they're pictures, video, or music, no DRM will be applied. The only DRM involved with the iPod is the DRM that comes with songs/videos/movies purchased off the iTunes Store.
Also, FairPlay is one of the most lax DRM schemes I have ever seen. You can play your music back on 5 different PCs, and you can unlicense the ones you don't want to use for listening to DRM'd files anymore. You don't necessarily need to copy the files over either, you can use iTunes' built in music sharing and just access them over your home network, if the computers in question happen to be on it. And on top of all that, you can burn them to an Audio CD an unlimited number of times. There is a limitation on CD burning, and it's quite silly; you can only burn a playlist with a DRM'd file in it 5 times. Solution? Make a new playlist and copy all the songs into it
putting and fanboyism aside, I've heard some terrible reviews of the zune. it has a worse battery life then the iPod, is bigger and bulkier, and who the hell is going to buy a brown one?
its wi-fi is crippled and won't be useful until the device is hacked. and although the screen is bigger, the resolution is the same producing a grainer picture. overall, i say either get yourself a refurbished iPod video or a zune vision.
its wi-fi is crippled and won't be useful until the device is hacked. and although the screen is bigger, the resolution is the same producing a grainer picture. overall, i say either get yourself a refurbished iPod video or a zune vision.
blurredvision
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To actually answer the OP's post, from what it sounds like you want to do with it, you might be better going with the Vision:M from Creative. Being a former 30GB Vision:M owner, and a current Zune owner, Creative is more friendly to video. First up, the Vision:M can be had for $200 if you look, so it's much cheaper. Then, the cables to hook it up to a TV is much cheaper. The Vision:M already comes with a dock-like thing, you just need the cables, which can't be much over $30. With the Zune, you have to buy the package that includes dock, cables, etc. for around $80 street ($100 retail). Then, Creative plays xvid/divx out of the box, the Zune requires lengthy conversions, if you can even get it to work right (but it will work).
Plus, the Vision:M handles putting those videos onto the player much better, as well as sporting an INFINITELY better way to organize them into the folder. In addition, the Vision:M has a better screen, more colors/contrast, if you're interested in watching videos on the player itself at any time.
After all of that, I still prefer my Zune. It just fits me better, and has a bunch of things I prefer over the Vision:M.
Plus, the Vision:M handles putting those videos onto the player much better, as well as sporting an INFINITELY better way to organize them into the folder. In addition, the Vision:M has a better screen, more colors/contrast, if you're interested in watching videos on the player itself at any time.
After all of that, I still prefer my Zune
. It just fits me better, and has a bunch of things I prefer over the Vision:M.
Also, RIAA got M$ to pay them something around $10 for every Zune sold, so if you buy one, you're paying for child-suing lawyer bloodsuckers. Awesome.
the funniest thing is that no one in this thread even attempted to answer OP's question, instead, they started talking all kinds of crap abt apple vs M$, DRM, itunes, media war, etc.
sorry OP, people here are just pumped up with apples and softies in their blood.
sorry OP, people here are just pumped up with apples and softies in their blood.
blurredvision
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I did, it's about 3 posts above yours.
First, it wasn't the RIAA, it was Universal. And the figure was more like a $1 for every one sold, not $10.
ultimatebob
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Keep in mind that most people buying music online are kids who buy whatever flavor of the month pop fluff is playing on the MTV or the radio right now. If you don't believe me, just look at the top 10 list on the iTunes Store.
Seriously, do you think that anyone will even admit to downloading Fergalicious by Fergie five years from now, let alone want to listen to it?
AnyMal
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Originally posted by: blurredvision
To actually answer the OP's post, from what it sounds like you want to do with it, you might be better going with the Vision:M from Creative. Being a former 30GB Vision:M owner, and a current Zune owner, Creative is more friendly to video. First up, the Vision:M can be had for $200 if you look, so it's much cheaper. Then, the cables to hook it up to a TV is much cheaper. The Vision:M already comes with a dock-like thing, you just need the cables, which can't be much over $30. With the Zune, you have to buy the package that includes dock, cables, etc. for around $80 street ($100 retail). Then, Creative plays xvid/divx out of the box, the Zune requires lengthy conversions, if you can even get it to work right (but it will work).
Plus, the Vision:M handles putting those videos onto the player much better, as well as sporting an INFINITELY better way to organize them into the folder. In addition, the Vision:M has a better screen, more colors/contrast, if you're interested in watching videos on the player itself at any time.
After all of that, I still prefer my Zune
Another vote for Zen Vision series. Drag-and-drop baby! It doesn't get any easier
Raduque
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Originally posted by: AnyMal
Originally posted by: blurredvision
To actually answer the OP's post, from what it sounds like you want to do with it, you might be better going with the Vision:M from Creative. Being a former 30GB Vision:M owner, and a current Zune owner, Creative is more friendly to video. First up, the Vision:M can be had for $200 if you look, so it's much cheaper. Then, the cables to hook it up to a TV is much cheaper. The Vision:M already comes with a dock-like thing, you just need the cables, which can't be much over $30. With the Zune, you have to buy the package that includes dock, cables, etc. for around $80 street ($100 retail). Then, Creative plays xvid/divx out of the box, the Zune requires lengthy conversions, if you can even get it to work right (but it will work).
Plus, the Vision:M handles putting those videos onto the player much better, as well as sporting an INFINITELY better way to organize them into the folder. In addition, the Vision:M has a better screen, more colors/contrast, if you're interested in watching videos on the player itself at any time.
After all of that, I still prefer my Zune
Another vote for Zen Vision series. Drag-and-drop baby! It doesn't get any easier
There's a registry hack to enable access to the Zune's filesystem. I haven't bothered to test it yet, because the Zune software works well for me.
newParadigm
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Not a fanboy, I want to move to and rachos or iAudio player very soon, but i have zero files with DRM on my iPod. I've deDRM'd everything I've gotten fron the Apple store (mostly the weekly free downloads), and all my TV stuff is either downloaded, or from my media PC. It's a pain in the ass for somethings (like getting video into a workable format), but I deal with it, because it was a cheap solution for what I wanted at the time.
Inspector Jihad
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gigabeat s is my choice too. It can transfer media center recorded video like the OP wanted. I cant believe the thread went this far without someone mentioning the gigabeat s
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