I remember some asshat complaining about religion threads the other day

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Last Rezort
Im not, the preacher is. I did not come up with this. Through bible geneoligy, the world that we know it, starting with adam and eve, is 500 years old.

And yet Jesus walked the earth 2,000 years ago. Uh huh.

 

[Greyd]

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: Garth

Originally posted by: Greyd

In addition your assumption that the Bible was written to show the history from the beginning of the world is wrong. That was NOT the purpose of the Bible. If you had truly studied the Bible in depth - you would know that. Knowing this you would understand why the Bible doesn't detail nature and its occurences - because THATS not the PURPOSE of the Bible. Additionally, some argue that there are "references" to dinosaurs in the Bible (Leviathan) but again the reason you don't see a detailed account of them is the same reason you don't see a detailed account of how people farmed land,etc in the Bible. Because that is NOT the PURPOSE.

Says you. I can show you plenty of Christians that believe exactly what he presumed, so his presumption is not baseless. Obviously, you're entitled to your opinion, just like the Christians I mentioned are entitled to theirs, but you're not entitled to your own facts.

Besides, who are you to decide what the purpose of the Bible is? Isn't that God's call? I'm gonna go out on a little bit of a limb and guess that you're not God, so you don't get to say what the Bible's purpose is.

At any rate, it sure seems like the Bible can be reasonably interpreted in exactly the manner that he presumed, your protestations notwithstanding.

-Garth

Actually it is stated very directly in the Bible - the purpose of the Scriptures. Not my assumption - its what God says. I'm making a very general statement and oversimplifying because there are so many different layers to the general overarching purpose.

Yes people can interpret how they like. But when those interpretations don't coincide with other aspects of the Bible - then you have a problem.

When I studied English in college one thing that always bothered me was the wide berth the department gave to "personal" interpretations of literary works. Yes these interpretation were interesting and insightful and fun. Some of the were very well researched,etc. But when it comes down to it - the author wrote it for a specific reason. Doesn't mean you can't read into it or interpret as you like - but its still not what the author meant.

Well enlighten us, what has god told you? Wait......

The purpose of the Bible is to show God's redemption for man. Beginning with the creation of the material world in Genesis and ending with the creation of the Spiritual world (Heaven) in Revelation.

God's redemption being shown through Jesus

Jesus said in (John 5:39-40) "You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you posess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life"

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Last Rezort
Im not, the preacher is. I did not come up with this. Through bible geneoligy, the world that we know it, starting with adam and eve, is 500 years old.

And yet Jesus walked the earth 2,000 years ago. Uh huh.

I think he means 5,000...

 

[Last Rezort]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Last Rezort
Im not, the preacher is. I did not come up with this. Through bible geneoligy, the world that we know it, starting with adam and eve, is 500 years old.

And yet Jesus walked the earth 2,000 years ago. Uh huh.

If you read my earlyer post, and cant tell that i missed a key, you are retarded.

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: shilala

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: Ozoned
Last Rezort . I am curious...What life altering event caused you to form such a strong opinion against people that profess to believe in some sort of religion?

I went to school and learned how to read.

Was it a religious school by any chance?🙁

No, it was a carpentry school where they drilled a hole in his head and sucked what was left of his "BB in a bathtub" brain out.
You're doing battle with a toaster pastry here, Ozoned. It's futile.

I enjoy Last Rezorts banter. 🙂

I'd rather take a sharp stick in the eye.
I didn't realize you were just jabbing him with the aforementioned stick. 😉

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: Greyd

Actually it is stated very directly in the Bible - the purpose of the Scriptures.

Chapter and verse, please.

Not my assumption - its what God says.

It is what you interpret God's word to mean, more accurately.

I'm making a very general statement and oversimplifying because there are so many different layers to the general overarching purpose.

The fact remains that many, many Christians believe that the Bible does exactly what you claim it doesn't. The point is that you state your beliefs as facts, which they are not. Facts are demonstrable.

Yes people can interpret how they like. But when those interpretations don't coincide with other aspects of the Bible - then you have a problem.

No, then *YOU* have a problem. Others don't seem to have a problem with it at all.

When I studied English in college one thing that always bothered me was the wide berth the department gave to "personal" interpretations of literary works. Yes these interpretation were interesting and insightful and fun. Some of the were very well researched,etc. But when it comes down to it - the author wrote it for a specific reason. Doesn't mean you can't read into it or interpret as you like - but its still not what the author meant.

I'm not saying the Bible doesn't have a purpose. I'm just saying that you have no reliable means of inferring what that purpose is or is not. Keep in mind that it's not inconceivable that the Bible was written for several purposes, so while you may have some very strong arguments for certain purposes of the Bible, those are not necessarily mutually exclusive with the purposes you declaimed earlier.

-Garth

 

[Greyd]

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: Garth

Originally posted by: Greyd

In addition your assumption that the Bible was written to show the history from the beginning of the world is wrong. That was NOT the purpose of the Bible. If you had truly studied the Bible in depth - you would know that. Knowing this you would understand why the Bible doesn't detail nature and its occurences - because THATS not the PURPOSE of the Bible. Additionally, some argue that there are "references" to dinosaurs in the Bible (Leviathan) but again the reason you don't see a detailed account of them is the same reason you don't see a detailed account of how people farmed land,etc in the Bible. Because that is NOT the PURPOSE.

Says you. I can show you plenty of Christians that believe exactly what he presumed, so his presumption is not baseless. Obviously, you're entitled to your opinion, just like the Christians I mentioned are entitled to theirs, but you're not entitled to your own facts.

Besides, who are you to decide what the purpose of the Bible is? Isn't that God's call? I'm gonna go out on a little bit of a limb and guess that you're not God, so you don't get to say what the Bible's purpose is.

At any rate, it sure seems like the Bible can be reasonably interpreted in exactly the manner that he presumed, your protestations notwithstanding.

-Garth

Still, we can prove that the world is millions of years old, and by the bible (or so says a few priests, like the one opening the museum), the world is like only 5000 year old.

Not quite... you are assuming that time is the same for both mortals and God 🙂

Im not, the preacher is. I did not come up with this. Through bible geneoligy, the world that we know it, starting with adam and eve, is 5000 years old.

Again...if you knew how dating is done when Biblical genealogies are used - you would know that the "young world" dating is theory and as stated by Daniel1113 can be see in differrent lights.

 

[Last Rezort]

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: Garth

Originally posted by: Greyd

In addition your assumption that the Bible was written to show the history from the beginning of the world is wrong. That was NOT the purpose of the Bible. If you had truly studied the Bible in depth - you would know that. Knowing this you would understand why the Bible doesn't detail nature and its occurences - because THATS not the PURPOSE of the Bible. Additionally, some argue that there are "references" to dinosaurs in the Bible (Leviathan) but again the reason you don't see a detailed account of them is the same reason you don't see a detailed account of how people farmed land,etc in the Bible. Because that is NOT the PURPOSE.

Says you. I can show you plenty of Christians that believe exactly what he presumed, so his presumption is not baseless. Obviously, you're entitled to your opinion, just like the Christians I mentioned are entitled to theirs, but you're not entitled to your own facts.

Besides, who are you to decide what the purpose of the Bible is? Isn't that God's call? I'm gonna go out on a little bit of a limb and guess that you're not God, so you don't get to say what the Bible's purpose is.

At any rate, it sure seems like the Bible can be reasonably interpreted in exactly the manner that he presumed, your protestations notwithstanding.

-Garth

Still, we can prove that the world is millions of years old, and by the bible (or so says a few priests, like the one opening the museum), the world is like only 5000 year old.

Not quite... you are assuming that time is the same for both mortals and God 🙂

Im not, the preacher is. I did not come up with this. Through bible geneoligy, the world that we know it, starting with adam and eve, is 5000 years old.

Again...if you knew how dating is done when Biblical genealogies are used - you would know that the "young world" dating is theory and as stated by Daniel1113 can be see in differrent lights.

Well its my understanding that it was mortals that wrote the bible. Am i wrong?

 

[Greyd]

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: Garth

Originally posted by: Greyd

In addition your assumption that the Bible was written to show the history from the beginning of the world is wrong. That was NOT the purpose of the Bible. If you had truly studied the Bible in depth - you would know that. Knowing this you would understand why the Bible doesn't detail nature and its occurences - because THATS not the PURPOSE of the Bible. Additionally, some argue that there are "references" to dinosaurs in the Bible (Leviathan) but again the reason you don't see a detailed account of them is the same reason you don't see a detailed account of how people farmed land,etc in the Bible. Because that is NOT the PURPOSE.

Says you. I can show you plenty of Christians that believe exactly what he presumed, so his presumption is not baseless. Obviously, you're entitled to your opinion, just like the Christians I mentioned are entitled to theirs, but you're not entitled to your own facts.

Besides, who are you to decide what the purpose of the Bible is? Isn't that God's call? I'm gonna go out on a little bit of a limb and guess that you're not God, so you don't get to say what the Bible's purpose is.

At any rate, it sure seems like the Bible can be reasonably interpreted in exactly the manner that he presumed, your protestations notwithstanding.

-Garth

Still, we can prove that the world is millions of years old, and by the bible (or so says a few priests, like the one opening the museum), the world is like only 5000 year old.

Not quite... you are assuming that time is the same for both mortals and God 🙂

Im not, the preacher is. I did not come up with this. Through bible geneoligy, the world that we know it, starting with adam and eve, is 5000 years old.

Again...if you knew how dating is done when Biblical genealogies are used - you would know that the "young world" dating is theory and as stated by Daniel1113 can be see in differrent lights.

Well its my understanding that it was mortals that wrote the bible. Am i wrong?

What Daniel is referring to is (correct me if im wrong) that man and God see "time" differently.

 

[Last Rezort]

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: Garth

Originally posted by: Greyd

In addition your assumption that the Bible was written to show the history from the beginning of the world is wrong. That was NOT the purpose of the Bible. If you had truly studied the Bible in depth - you would know that. Knowing this you would understand why the Bible doesn't detail nature and its occurences - because THATS not the PURPOSE of the Bible. Additionally, some argue that there are "references" to dinosaurs in the Bible (Leviathan) but again the reason you don't see a detailed account of them is the same reason you don't see a detailed account of how people farmed land,etc in the Bible. Because that is NOT the PURPOSE.

Says you. I can show you plenty of Christians that believe exactly what he presumed, so his presumption is not baseless. Obviously, you're entitled to your opinion, just like the Christians I mentioned are entitled to theirs, but you're not entitled to your own facts.

Besides, who are you to decide what the purpose of the Bible is? Isn't that God's call? I'm gonna go out on a little bit of a limb and guess that you're not God, so you don't get to say what the Bible's purpose is.

At any rate, it sure seems like the Bible can be reasonably interpreted in exactly the manner that he presumed, your protestations notwithstanding.

-Garth

Still, we can prove that the world is millions of years old, and by the bible (or so says a few priests, like the one opening the museum), the world is like only 5000 year old.

Not quite... you are assuming that time is the same for both mortals and God 🙂

Im not, the preacher is. I did not come up with this. Through bible geneoligy, the world that we know it, starting with adam and eve, is 5000 years old.

Again...if you knew how dating is done when Biblical genealogies are used - you would know that the "young world" dating is theory and as stated by Daniel1113 can be see in differrent lights.

Well its my understanding that it was mortals that wrote the bible. Am i wrong?

What Daniel is referring to is (correct me if im wrong) that man and God see "time" differently.

Ok but the bible is about the human world is it not?

 

[daniel1113]

/end nested quotes

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: Garth

Originally posted by: Greyd

In addition your assumption that the Bible was written to show the history from the beginning of the world is wrong. That was NOT the purpose of the Bible. If you had truly studied the Bible in depth - you would know that. Knowing this you would understand why the Bible doesn't detail nature and its occurences - because THATS not the PURPOSE of the Bible. Additionally, some argue that there are "references" to dinosaurs in the Bible (Leviathan) but again the reason you don't see a detailed account of them is the same reason you don't see a detailed account of how people farmed land,etc in the Bible. Because that is NOT the PURPOSE.

Says you. I can show you plenty of Christians that believe exactly what he presumed, so his presumption is not baseless. Obviously, you're entitled to your opinion, just like the Christians I mentioned are entitled to theirs, but you're not entitled to your own facts.

Besides, who are you to decide what the purpose of the Bible is? Isn't that God's call? I'm gonna go out on a little bit of a limb and guess that you're not God, so you don't get to say what the Bible's purpose is.

At any rate, it sure seems like the Bible can be reasonably interpreted in exactly the manner that he presumed, your protestations notwithstanding.

-Garth

Still, we can prove that the world is millions of years old, and by the bible (or so says a few priests, like the one opening the museum), the world is like only 5000 year old.

Not quite... you are assuming that time is the same for both mortals and God 🙂

Im not, the preacher is. I did not come up with this. Through bible geneoligy, the world that we know it, starting with adam and eve, is 5000 years old.

Again...if you knew how dating is done when Biblical genealogies are used - you would know that the "young world" dating is theory and as stated by Daniel1113 can be see in differrent lights.

Well its my understanding that it was mortals that wrote the bible. Am i wrong?

Genesis - Deuteronomy were written by Moses, after a direct meeting with God, witnessed by many people.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: Last Rezort
Ok but the bible is about the human world is it not?

Your logic is flawed. I see that you're trying to say it's written by humans, so it was in human time. However, the Bible is presented as the word of God, and therefore would be in the terms of God.

 

[Greyd]

Originally posted by: Garth

Yes people can interpret how they like. But when those interpretations don't coincide with other aspects of the Bible - then you have a problem.

No, then *YOU* have a problem. Others don't seem to have a problem with it at all.

When I studied English in college one thing that always bothered me was the wide berth the department gave to "personal" interpretations of literary works. Yes these interpretation were interesting and insightful and fun. Some of the were very well researched,etc. But when it comes down to it - the author wrote it for a specific reason. Doesn't mean you can't read into it or interpret as you like - but its still not what the author meant.

I'm not saying the Bible doesn't have a purpose. I'm just saying that you have no reliable means of inferring what that purpose is or is not. Keep in mind that it's not inconceivable that the Bible was written for several purposes, so while you may have some very strong arguments for certain purposes of the Bible, those are not necessarily mutually exclusive with the purposes you declaimed earlier.

-Garth

The other quotes you indicated should be answered in my earlier post.

When I said "you" have a problem I directed it in a general sense, not specifically towards Lrezort. What I was trying to get at is that interpretations in the Bible are supported by other aspects. A simple example being "don't kill" is supported not just in one book but many. The interpretations that are made must do so in nature to be "correct." Mainly the major "doctrines" are usually somewhat universal in this aspect (salvation). It is usually smaller issues that are debatable. (type of baptism)

 

[Last Rezort]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: Garth

Originally posted by: Greyd

In addition your assumption that the Bible was written to show the history from the beginning of the world is wrong. That was NOT the purpose of the Bible. If you had truly studied the Bible in depth - you would know that. Knowing this you would understand why the Bible doesn't detail nature and its occurences - because THATS not the PURPOSE of the Bible. Additionally, some argue that there are "references" to dinosaurs in the Bible (Leviathan) but again the reason you don't see a detailed account of them is the same reason you don't see a detailed account of how people farmed land,etc in the Bible. Because that is NOT the PURPOSE.

Says you. I can show you plenty of Christians that believe exactly what he presumed, so his presumption is not baseless. Obviously, you're entitled to your opinion, just like the Christians I mentioned are entitled to theirs, but you're not entitled to your own facts.

Besides, who are you to decide what the purpose of the Bible is? Isn't that God's call? I'm gonna go out on a little bit of a limb and guess that you're not God, so you don't get to say what the Bible's purpose is.

At any rate, it sure seems like the Bible can be reasonably interpreted in exactly the manner that he presumed, your protestations notwithstanding.

-Garth

Still, we can prove that the world is millions of years old, and by the bible (or so says a few priests, like the one opening the museum), the world is like only 5000 year old.

Not quite... you are assuming that time is the same for both mortals and God 🙂

Im not, the preacher is. I did not come up with this. Through bible geneoligy, the world that we know it, starting with adam and eve, is 5000 years old.

Again...if you knew how dating is done when Biblical genealogies are used - you would know that the "young world" dating is theory and as stated by Daniel1113 can be see in differrent lights.

Well its my understanding that it was mortals that wrote the bible. Am i wrong?

Genesis - Deuteronomy were written by Moses, after a direct meeting with God, witnessed by many people.

Produce them. Wait.....
Now that i think about it it still makes no point. He met with god but he is still human. To him a year is much like our year.

 

[Last Rezort]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Last Rezort
Ok but the bible is about the human world is it not?

Your logic is flawed. I see that you're trying to say it's written by humans, so it was in human time. However, the Bible is presented as the word of God, and therefore would be in the terms of God.

Work of god writen by humans. We know it was writen by humans. Your logic is flawed.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: daniel1113
I went to a Christian school for a year, too. And if there was one thing I learned while attending that school, it was that 90% of the students were there either because they were forced by their parents or kicked out of public schools. It is hardly a way of proving that you somehow know Christians and Christianity.

How can he prove that he knows Christians and Christianity, then?

I was a Christian for three years of my life, I've been agnostic for the past three. I will tell you openly that I saw my faith in a particular light as a Christian and as an ex-Christian, that I do harbor some bitterness towards the faith, largely because I could never just let myself believe. I was a doubter and I still am. That does not preclude me from having first-hand knowledge of Christianity, of having a wide circle of devout Christian friends, or of having some in-depth knowledge of the Christian scriptures.

Shall I post My favorite Orsorum post? 🙂

Please do. I'd like to see it.

Originally posted by: Orsorum
What happens when the light of the word becomes tainted, when the men were trusted to interpret that book ended up revising it?

The grave of my creation became my rebirth, in the shattered remains of my Christian faith I found a confidence in the God I feel in the world around me, the God I see when I stargaze, or when I spend time with my cousins. God is the realization that pain is necessary for change, and that to feel pain is to be alive.

God is indeed love, He is birth and He is also mercifully death, for death is a part of our universe.

Giving up my faith was a dive, LMK, a free fall into an unknown. I sat there for a good two hours on that night when I pondered the fate of my soul, and I was scared, scared of what will happen to my soul after death, scared of going to Hell. It was at the moment when I realized that I was scared of going to hell that I made that final jump. My faith in God is predicated upon love, and a faith which relies upon fear as a bedrock of its belief structure is not my faith.

Quite a pretty piece, don't you think? 😀


I have never been to interested in the Christian religion thing. Never had a clue why until I read Orsorums (Archived) Post. It was so simple, but some things just open your eyes, just like the bigotry that some people show for those that do care and believe in various forms of religion. If I want to be accepted for what I am, And what I believe, I must, at least, try to reciprocate. It is so much easier than hating...

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Genesis - Deuteronomy were written by Moses, after a direct meeting with God, witnessed by many people.

I don't think that is entirely true. I highly doubt that Moses chronicled his own death and burial.

-Garth

 

[Platypus]

This thread is still going? How cute 🙂

 

[Greyd]

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: Garth

Originally posted by: Greyd

In addition your assumption that the Bible was written to show the history from the beginning of the world is wrong. That was NOT the purpose of the Bible. If you had truly studied the Bible in depth - you would know that. Knowing this you would understand why the Bible doesn't detail nature and its occurences - because THATS not the PURPOSE of the Bible. Additionally, some argue that there are "references" to dinosaurs in the Bible (Leviathan) but again the reason you don't see a detailed account of them is the same reason you don't see a detailed account of how people farmed land,etc in the Bible. Because that is NOT the PURPOSE.

Says you. I can show you plenty of Christians that believe exactly what he presumed, so his presumption is not baseless. Obviously, you're entitled to your opinion, just like the Christians I mentioned are entitled to theirs, but you're not entitled to your own facts.

Besides, who are you to decide what the purpose of the Bible is? Isn't that God's call? I'm gonna go out on a little bit of a limb and guess that you're not God, so you don't get to say what the Bible's purpose is.

At any rate, it sure seems like the Bible can be reasonably interpreted in exactly the manner that he presumed, your protestations notwithstanding.

-Garth

Still, we can prove that the world is millions of years old, and by the bible (or so says a few priests, like the one opening the museum), the world is like only 5000 year old.

Not quite... you are assuming that time is the same for both mortals and God 🙂

Im not, the preacher is. I did not come up with this. Through bible geneoligy, the world that we know it, starting with adam and eve, is 5000 years old.

Again...if you knew how dating is done when Biblical genealogies are used - you would know that the "young world" dating is theory and as stated by Daniel1113 can be see in differrent lights.

Well its my understanding that it was mortals that wrote the bible. Am i wrong?

Genesis - Deuteronomy were written by Moses, after a direct meeting with God, witnessed by many people.

Produce them. Wait.....
Now that i think about it it still makes no point. He met with god but he is still human. To him a year is much like our year.

So to be more specific ther reference is to the seven "days" of creation in genesis. Some see these "days" as millions of years - but seen as "days" by God. Therefore using biblical genealogies would be pointless because the 7 "days" are actually millions and millions of years.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Last Rezort
Ok but the bible is about the human world is it not?

Your logic is flawed. I see that you're trying to say it's written by humans, so it was in human time. However, the Bible is presented as the word of God, and therefore would be in the terms of God.

Work of god writen by humans. We know it was writen by humans. Your logic is flawed.

So if you take the word of someone who doesn't use the Gregorian Calendar, then it's alright to interpret their dates and times as those of your own Gregorian calendar?

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: daniel1113
I went to a Christian school for a year, too. And if there was one thing I learned while attending that school, it was that 90% of the students were there either because they were forced by their parents or kicked out of public schools. It is hardly a way of proving that you somehow know Christians and Christianity.

How can he prove that he knows Christians and Christianity, then?

I was a Christian for three years of my life, I've been agnostic for the past three. I will tell you openly that I saw my faith in a particular light as a Christian and as an ex-Christian, that I do harbor some bitterness towards the faith, largely because I could never just let myself believe. I was a doubter and I still am. That does not preclude me from having first-hand knowledge of Christianity, of having a wide circle of devout Christian friends, or of having some in-depth knowledge of the Christian scriptures.

Shall I post My favorite Orsorum post? 🙂

Please do. I'd like to see it.

Originally posted by: Orsorum
What happens when the light of the word becomes tainted, when the men were trusted to interpret that book ended up revising it?

The grave of my creation became my rebirth, in the shattered remains of my Christian faith I found a confidence in the God I feel in the world around me, the God I see when I stargaze, or when I spend time with my cousins. God is the realization that pain is necessary for change, and that to feel pain is to be alive.

God is indeed love, He is birth and He is also mercifully death, for death is a part of our universe.

Giving up my faith was a dive, LMK, a free fall into an unknown. I sat there for a good two hours on that night when I pondered the fate of my soul, and I was scared, scared of what will happen to my soul after death, scared of going to Hell. It was at the moment when I realized that I was scared of going to hell that I made that final jump. My faith in God is predicated upon love, and a faith which relies upon fear as a bedrock of its belief structure is not my faith.

Quite a pretty piece, don't you think? 😀


I have never been to interested in the Christian religion thing. Never had a clue why until I read Orsorums (Archived) Post. It was so simple, but some things just open your eyes, just like the bigotry that some people show for those that do care and believe in various forms of religion. If I want to be accepted for what I am, And what I believe, I must, at least, try to reciprocate. It is so much easier than hating...

Yes it is.

 

[Last Rezort]

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: Garth

Yes people can interpret how they like. But when those interpretations don't coincide with other aspects of the Bible - then you have a problem.

No, then *YOU* have a problem. Others don't seem to have a problem with it at all.

When I studied English in college one thing that always bothered me was the wide berth the department gave to "personal" interpretations of literary works. Yes these interpretation were interesting and insightful and fun. Some of the were very well researched,etc. But when it comes down to it - the author wrote it for a specific reason. Doesn't mean you can't read into it or interpret as you like - but its still not what the author meant.

I'm not saying the Bible doesn't have a purpose. I'm just saying that you have no reliable means of inferring what that purpose is or is not. Keep in mind that it's not inconceivable that the Bible was written for several purposes, so while you may have some very strong arguments for certain purposes of the Bible, those are not necessarily mutually exclusive with the purposes you declaimed earlier.

-Garth

The other quotes you indicated should be answered in my earlier post.

When I said "you" have a problem I directed it in a general sense, not specifically towards Lrezort. What I was trying to get at is that interpretations in the Bible are supported by other aspects. A simple example being "don't kill" is supported not just in one book but many. The interpretations that are made must do so in nature to be "correct." Mainly the major "doctrines" are usually somewhat universal in this aspect (salvation). It is usually smaller issues that are debatable. (type of baptism)

What about selling my daughter for slavery. It says i can do so in the torra if i sell her to someone from another country.

 

[Greyd]

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Last Rezort
Ok but the bible is about the human world is it not?

Your logic is flawed. I see that you're trying to say it's written by humans, so it was in human time. However, the Bible is presented as the word of God, and therefore would be in the terms of God.

Work of god writen by humans. We know it was writen by humans. Your logic is flawed.

Read my post - I think you guys are debating different ideas and its running into confusion

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: daniel1113
I went to a Christian school for a year, too. And if there was one thing I learned while attending that school, it was that 90% of the students were there either because they were forced by their parents or kicked out of public schools. It is hardly a way of proving that you somehow know Christians and Christianity.

How can he prove that he knows Christians and Christianity, then?

I was a Christian for three years of my life, I've been agnostic for the past three. I will tell you openly that I saw my faith in a particular light as a Christian and as an ex-Christian, that I do harbor some bitterness towards the faith, largely because I could never just let myself believe. I was a doubter and I still am. That does not preclude me from having first-hand knowledge of Christianity, of having a wide circle of devout Christian friends, or of having some in-depth knowledge of the Christian scriptures.

Shall I post My favorite Orsorum post? 🙂

Please do. I'd like to see it.

Originally posted by: Orsorum
What happens when the light of the word becomes tainted, when the men were trusted to interpret that book ended up revising it?

The grave of my creation became my rebirth, in the shattered remains of my Christian faith I found a confidence in the God I feel in the world around me, the God I see when I stargaze, or when I spend time with my cousins. God is the realization that pain is necessary for change, and that to feel pain is to be alive.

God is indeed love, He is birth and He is also mercifully death, for death is a part of our universe.

Giving up my faith was a dive, LMK, a free fall into an unknown. I sat there for a good two hours on that night when I pondered the fate of my soul, and I was scared, scared of what will happen to my soul after death, scared of going to Hell. It was at the moment when I realized that I was scared of going to hell that I made that final jump. My faith in God is predicated upon love, and a faith which relies upon fear as a bedrock of its belief structure is not my faith.

Quite a pretty piece, don't you think? 😀


I have never been to interested in the Christian religion thing. Never had a clue why until I read Orsorums (Archived) Post. It was so simple, but some things just open your eyes, just like the bigotry that some people show for those that do care and believe in various forms of religion. If I want to be accepted for what I am, And what I believe, I must, at least, try to reciprocate. It is so much easier than hating...

Yes it is.

You're scratching your head and trying to figure out what the hell I am doing, aren't you?🙂