I predict beastiality will be the next boundary to be crossed

[rudder]

Define "biological". If you mean from birth/a genetic predilection, maybe not, but the events in a person's life certainly shape their sexual attraction, just like a child molestation victim may not have been born a pedophile, but maybe be raised to in turn have an uncontrollable, physiological attraction towards children. Bestiality may be different in that a lot of them might just be people afraid of/unable to get sexual satisfaction with other people, but want something living over a fleshlight/dildo. I'm pretty sure that at least some have a more innate attraction, however (for one anecdote, see the story about a furry that regularly sodomized his pet cat).

Yes from a genetics standpoint. Humans do not have an innate desire to screw goats. There is learned behavior because one must develop a boner to have sex with a goat. One would have to know that this behavior is wrong because I don't know of any animals that can grant consent.

This is why I feel society can be more acceptable to homosexuality versus accepting bestiality. Homosexuality for someone born gay is not a choice. People screwing goats and horses should know better.

 

[shortylickens]

bestiality is any depraved sexual desire.
zoophilia is the desire to fuck animals.

beastiality is not anything.


Anyway, supreme court had already upheld the constitutional protections ONLY apply to humans. The biggest issue was that for a long time, women and coloreds were not considered real citizens.

 

[rudder]

...so that y chromosome that either is or isn't present at fertilization, never really is present until some yet-undisclosed time in development?

Not sure how you misinterpreted this one so poorly.


I assume what you are trying to say is that all fetus develop "as a female" in the early stages, which is true (the penis is nothing more than an extended clitoris). ...But we also have gills, so you might as well claim that "Every baby conceived is a fish."

Regardless, the blastocyst is either female or male based on the sperm carrying either an x or y...or, well, it does get a bit tricky in some rare cases. But sex is more or less determined at the beginning.

That is what I was implying. All fetuses start out with the same organ that will either be a penis or a vagina. At some point a chemical signal starts the growth of the penis. This is still not largely understood by scientists.

 

[CZroe]

in defense of bestiality -- and I never thought I'd ever have to use those words -- if it weren't for our "special" relationship with animals, our European ancestors never would have been able to wipe out the native people in the Americas and none of us would exist today.

Uhh... wut?

 

[master_shake_]

ever since they passed gay marriage my vcr's been looking pretty good.

 

[CZroe]

Polygamy and beastiality shouldn't be illegal (not saying they should be encouraged either.)

Who, really, is injured by either practice? What harm do they cause?

Morality shouldn't be legislated.

Raping an animal harms the animal in the very least and has caused diseases. It's rape because these is no reasoned consent (same reason consensual sex can still be statutory rape).

 

[TheVrolok]

...so that y chromosome that either is or isn't present at fertilization, never really is present until some yet-undisclosed time in development?

Not sure how you misinterpreted this one so poorly.

I assume what you are trying to say is that all fetus develop "as a female" in the early stages, which is true (the penis is nothing more than an extended clitoris). ...But we also have gills, so you might as well claim that "Every baby conceived is a fish."

Regardless, the blastocyst is either female or male based on the sperm carrying either an x or y...or, well, it does get a bit tricky in some rare cases. But sex is more or less determined at the beginning.

And so begins that "what really is male/female" discussion.

That is what I was implying. All fetuses start out with the same organ that will either be a penis or a vagina. At some point a chemical signal starts the growth of the penis. This is still not largely understood by scientists.

Huh? Not largely understood by scientists


And to the OP, you're an idiot. (for references see thread)

 

[TheSlamma]

LOL or toasters.

fucking bigots!

No dude it's Turtles, get with the program

https://youtu.be/mg7YN-yCr4A?t=184

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Raping an animal harms the animal in the very least and has caused diseases. It's rape because these is no reasoned consent (same reason consensual sex can still be statutory rape).

But what about power-bottoms? In the poll thing above, more would rather take doggy dick than make Sparky their bitch.

 

[drebo]

animals can't consent, so I'm sorry, you won't be able to marry your dog anytime soon unless someone finally perfects the bark-to-English translator and we find out that animals do indeed have human-level intelligence.

personally, I see no reason polygamy shouldn't be legal. wouldn't surprise me to see polygamous couples mount a challenge in court, and I'd support their rights.

Animals aren't people. They have no legal standing. They don't need to consent.

Do you ask the cow permission to butcher it?

 

[zinfamous]

And so begins that "what really is male/female" discussion.



Huh? Not largely understood by scientists


And to the OP, you're an idiot. (for references see thread)

I'd rather it begin the "what really is human/fish" discussion, but whatever.

Well, there is certainly much of that process that isn't well understood. My lab studies sex chromosome evolution and we have some speciation projects, and a few with components that tend towards development...though most of this is genomics. Point being, this is what we have learned: at the autosome/sex chromosome level--eh, it's a fucking mess.

It's pretty well understood...except when it isn't.

 

[nageov3t]

Animals aren't people. They have no legal standing. They don't need to consent.

Do you ask the cow permission to butcher it?

Entering into a contract inherently requires all parties consent

 

[TheVrolok]

I'd rather it begin the "what really is human/fish" discussion, but whatever.

Well, there is certainly much of that process that isn't well understood. My lab studies sex chromosome evolution and we have some speciation projects, and a few with components that tend towards development...though most of this is genomics. Point being, this is what we have learned: at the autosome/sex chromosome level--eh, it's a fucking mess.

It's pretty well understood...except when it isn't.

The first bit was somewhat of a tongue in cheek jab at the race/gender threads recently.

In regard to the second,
I suppose what I should have said is that on a quite reasonable level of detail we have a rather good understanding of what turns a genital tubercle into a penis or clitoris.

 

[zanejohnson]

i'm a dirty liberal so i guess my stance is that it should all be legal, who cares who/what you fuck... and i'd even say beastiality is "natural," hasn't anyone seen the vid someone took in the zoo of the monkey basically raping a frogs mouth to death? at one point he had the frog impailed on his "member" while i guess he "finished,"....afterwards he just tossed it aside (for later use)


all these ridiculous "emotions" that people put into this type of things is nonsense, it has no bearing in the actual reality we live in, it's all just bullshit we've been "programmed" to feel a certain way about....

i could easily love more than one woman at a time, in fact, i'd LOVE to have a polyamourous marriage, and not the picky kind...she sees dude she wants to get pounded by, fine! go for it, i just wanna be involved, or not, if she didnt want me to....

who cares!!! we're basically forced into this existence with no choice whatsoever, and it's a pretty shitty existence, even if you have the comfortable things in life... it still hurts just to alive, we're slowly dying, every one of us... why not explore everything there is.


back on topic, i think pedophilia is really the next big push we have coming, that one i have mixed emotions about... a 40 year old shouldnt be fucking an 8 year old, nobody should be fucking an 8 year old.... but a 40 year old and a pubescent youngster, say, 15-16.... what's wrong with that? there's no victim!

 

[HamburgerBoy]

i'm a dirty liberal so i guess my stance is that it should all be legal, who cares who/what you fuck... and i'd even say beastiality is "natural," hasn't anyone seen the vid someone took in the zoo of the monkey basically raping a frogs mouth to death? at one point he had the frog impailed on his "member" while i guess he "finished,"....afterwards he just tossed it aside (for later use)


all these ridiculous "emotions" that people put into this type of things is nonsense, it has no bearing in the actual reality we live in, it's all just bullshit we've been "programmed" to feel a certain way about....

i could easily love more than one woman at a time, in fact, i'd LOVE to have a polyamourous marriage, and not the picky kind...she sees dude she wants to get pounded by, fine! go for it, i just wanna be involved, or not, if she didnt want me to....

who cares!!! we're basically forced into this existence with no choice whatsoever, and it's a pretty shitty existence, even if you have the comfortable things in life... it still hurts just to alive, we're slowly dying, every one of us... why not explore everything there is.


back on topic, i think pedophilia is really the next big push we have coming, that one i have mixed emotions about... a 40 year old shouldnt be fucking an 8 year old, nobody should be fucking an 8 year old.... but a 40 year old and a pubescent youngster, say, 15-16.... what's wrong with that? there's no victim!

My ultimate fantasy is to find three tadpoles and have sex with them all simultaneously. While you watch and get involved.

 

[TheSlamma]

ever since they passed gay marriage my vcr's been looking pretty good.

imagine if you would have made it work with the betamax though

Oh the ones we let go right?

 

[Charmonium]

James T. Kirk never met an alien he didn't boink so I'd think we'd already be acclimated to interspecies nookie.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Polygamy and beastiality shouldn't be illegal (not saying they should be encouraged either.)

Who, really, is injured by either practice? What harm do they cause?

Morality shouldn't be legislated.

Are we still talking about marriage? Or just the ability to do it without it being illegal?

I can think why the MARRIAGE wouldn't be allowed, and that is simply for tax purposes. You can't do a joint tax return for 3 people, nor can you claim to have a joint return with a dog that doesn't work and enjoy the marriage tax brackets

Outside of that, I agree to a certain extent. In all 3 cases, we are talking about an animal getting off, and multiple people getting off. Who is to say what is right or wrong about that other than religion?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Did you seriously just compare homosexuality with beastiality? WTF.

IMO the whole issue with gay "marriage" stems from the use of the word "marriage" in our legal system. There is a difference between "religious" marriage and "legal" marriage. I do not understand why people have such a hard time understanding that.

FWIW, it is extremely doubtful that the government as a whole cares whether your marriage is consistent with whatever belief system you happen to follow (or not follow, in the case of atheists). The government just wants to know how to tax you (most importantly), and (somewhat less importantly) how various laws (e.g., divorce laws, estate laws, etc.) should apply to you.

If you are "truly" religious and you view gay marriage as abhorrent because it is inconsistent with your religious views, then you might want to ask yourself why you do not view marriages in accordance with other faiths with the same contempt. Yes those marriages might be between a man and woman, but isn't the fact that they are being joined together by some other deity than your own far more offensive than what their sex happens to be? --- well said!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Did you seriously just compare homosexuality with beastiality? WTF.

IMO the whole issue with gay "marriage" stems from the use of the word "marriage" in our legal system. There is a difference between "religious" marriage and "legal" marriage. I do not understand why people have such a hard time understanding that.

FWIW, it is extremely doubtful that the government as a whole cares whether your marriage is consistent with whatever belief system you happen to follow (or not follow, in the case of atheists). The government just wants to know how to tax you (most importantly), and (somewhat less importantly) how various laws (e.g., divorce laws, estate laws, etc.) should apply to you.

If you are "truly" religious and you view gay marriage as abhorrent because it is inconsistent with your religious views, then you might want to ask yourself why you do not view marriages in accordance with other faiths with the same contempt. Yes those marriages might be between a man and woman, but isn't the fact that they are being joined together by some other deity than your own far more offensive than what their sex happens to be?

-- very well said!!

 

[drebo]

Entering into a contract inherently requires all parties consent

You can't enter in to a contract with a non-person regardless.

What's that have to do with beastiality?

 

[TheSlamma]

Polygamy and beastiality shouldn't be illegal (not saying they should be encouraged either.)

Who, really, is injured by either practice? What harm do they cause?

Morality shouldn't be legislated.

As long as we get to register the polygamy children with the AKC and them send them down south with the no branch family tree people.

 

[Newbian]

So if this happens this will just mean one less embarrassing thing in my browser history.

I guess I will need to find another addiction to compensate.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

-- very well said!!

why the fuck did you just quote your own post to say "very well said"?

It must have been that stupid.

 

[sportage]

Obviously some people can't understand the concept of a gay person.
Actually, the lifestyle of being gay is piratically identical to the lifestyle of being heterosexual.
Two committed people.
Privacy.
A two car garage, a dog and or cat, a 401K plan.
Vacationing at the lake.
Disney Land.
A Christmas tree.
A family Easter dinner.
Thanksgiving.
Movies, popcorn, an SUV, wall to wall carpeting.

Yes, gay couples are pretty boring just as are heterosexual couples.

And that is why gay people and marriage equality for them has gained acceptance so rapidly by society in general.
Bestiality? Really?

I don't see bestiality associated with homosexuality any more than with heterosexuality.
And certainly not an associated "boundary" to be crossed.

In fact, as far as acceptance goes, I see the transgender community of society having the next real battle and hurdle of acceptance to overcome.
Transgender is often linked to homosexuality, but actually more closely linked or associated to heterosexuality.
The link to homosexuality is from both thought of as outcast by society.
But frankly, the transgender is heterosexual in their sexual identity.

A man that is physically and or mentally born as a woman would see themselves as a woman, and desire a relationship with the opposite sex that they associate their birth as.
I would not assume gay people as a whole relate much to transgender people.
They are both treated as outcast of society by many within society, and such their common bond. But in all actually the transgender would most likely relate to the heterosexual as far as sexual orientation goes.

The next so called boundary to cross would be acceptance from society of the transgender in society.
And that will take some time. Will be a challenge.

But as far as Bestiality goes, I wouldn't hold my breath.
And if that is your thing, Bestiality, I wouldn't count on any acceptance from society within your lifetime.
I mean come-on.... Lets get real here and cut the bull. (No Bestiality pun intended )