I predict beastiality will be the next boundary to be crossed

[SMOGZINN]

Evolution is not a judge. Evolution is not even a process. Evolution is simply an outcome.

Evolution is random. For example, say a mutation occurs and is brilliant! It gives the species a huge advantage. Then a tree falls on the entire population that has that mutation. It is now gone. It selected against for no reason other than a tree fell in the forest.

There is homosexual people, there have been homosexual people for at least as long as recorded history, therefore homosexuality is a trait that is being passed on.
That is all you can say. It does not need a reason why. It does not have a purpose.

 

[Anubis]

did someone say Mr Hands?

 

[SP33Demon]

Wrong, the next big thing will be the legalization of polygamy.

 

[CZroe]

Evolution is not a judge. Evolution is not even a process. Evolution is simply an outcome.

Evolution is random. For example, say a mutation occurs and is brilliant! It gives the species a huge advantage. Then a tree falls on the entire population that has that mutation. It is now gone. It selected against for no reason other than a tree fell in the forest.

There is homosexual people, there have been homosexual people for at least as long as recorded history, therefore homosexuality is a trait that is being passed on.
That is all you can say. It does not need a reason why. It does not have a purpose.

Many things are passed on without genetics. It could be environmental. It could be developmental. Nature vs. Nurture. It doesn't have to have an evolutionary purpose and can run counter to reproduction and still get passed on if the individual causes (of which there can be many) are not strictly detrimental to reproduction.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

It's interspecies erotica, fucko!

 

[Phoenix86]

Wrong, the next big thing will be the legalization of polygamy.

People say this shit all the time, but no one ever thinks it through.

Same sex marriage is easy, just start allowing it. The legal framework is already in place.

Polygamy introduces so many new legal ideas it would simply never happen w/o massive and I mean massive support. Far more than is needed for same sex marriages.

A and B marry.
B and C marry.

Is A and C married? Do you have 2, 2-way marriages (A-B, A-C, and B-C), or is it a 3 way partnership? What happens if A dies, legally, who gets what? What if A and B want a divorce, but A and C don't?

All that shit would have to be figured out. That's assuming there's a will for it to happen in the first place. Many of the more compelling reasons to justify same sex marriages don't exist for polygamy.

But I'm sure you have compelling reasons... :whiste:

 

[SMOGZINN]

People say this shit all the time, but no one ever thinks it through.

Same sex marriage is easy, just start allowing it. The legal framework is already in place.

Polygamy introduces so many new legal ideas it would simply never happen w/o massive and I mean massive support. Far more than is needed for same sex marriages.

A and B marry.
B and C marry.

Is A and C married? Do you have 2, 2-way marriages (A-B, A-C, and B-C), or is it a 3 way partnership? What happens if A dies, legally, who gets what? What if A and B want a divorce, but A and C don't?

All that shit would have to be figured out. That's assuming there's a will for it to happen in the first place. Many of the more compelling reasons to justify same sex marriages don't exist for polygamy.

But I'm sure you have compelling reasons... :whiste:

Poly marriage is extremely complex, but the poly community has been working on these issues for more than a decade and have a few solutions. The two most prominent solutions are:

1. Contractual marriage: The state agrees to allow corporate like charters to have have marriage status. This is most popular in the poly communities, since it allows for all the weird scenarios that are possible. It requires that rules be created for how the charter can be added to, amended, and ended, and what happens when that does. These contracts can be book like having pages of rules and bylaws. This is how many poly families work already, by creating a corporation that holds all the marital assets.

2. One marriage, multiple people: This method would require that there be only one marriage, but there is no limit on how many people can be involved. Each member must come at it unencumbered by a previous marriage (in the same way that marriage works today) and they all get married at once. Once married they are a married unit and can not add or subtract people from the marriage. If one partner wants to leave the entire marriage must be dissolved. If a new member wants to join the marriage, the old marriage must be dissolved and a new one formed. The point of this is to create a polyamorous marriage that is as legally similar to the current monogamous marriage as possible. While this is not exactly popular in the poly communities, it is a compromise many are beginning to be convinced is necessary.

 

[Phoenix86]

Poly marriage is extremely complex, but the poly community has been working on these issues for more than a decade and have a few solutions.

Not even gonna dig into the solutions and the issues those create. My point is, there's massive legal framework needed to support polygamy. That framework doesn't exist today and certainly hasn't been tested, unlike marriage which has been a part of government and law for a LONG time in many cultures and civilizations.

Simply saying "poly or bestiality is next" only demonstrates a severe misunderstanding of the situation. It's the last desperate straw of attack against same sex marriage. At that point, they aren't even saying same sex is bad, just that it might possibly lead to some other unrelated bad thing, at a later time.

 

[SP33Demon]

Not even gonna dig into the solutions and the issues those create. My point is, there's massive legal framework needed to support polygamy. That framework doesn't exist today and certainly hasn't been tested, unlike marriage which has been a part of government and law for a LONG time in many cultures and civilizations.

Simply saying "poly or bestiality is next" only demonstrates a severe misunderstanding of the situation. It's the last desperate straw of attack against same sex marriage. At that point, they aren't even saying same sex is bad, just that it might possibly lead to some other unrelated bad thing, at a later time.

You won't discuss in depth because they are legitimate solutions to polygamy. Also, it has nothing to do with attacking same sex marriage and everything to do with how this country is turning liberal at an alarming rate. Most liberals would respond to polygamy with the simplified explanation "love is love" and 100-avg-IQ-America would also vote for it because it follows the same premise as LBGT slogans. For example, if I want to marry a couple and we all love each other, who are you to say we cannot? LBGT helped pave the way for polygamy because when 3 people marry, at least 2 will have to be gay. Hence this is the next logical step for "no-fair-we-love-each-other-and-also-deserve-the federal benefits". You are delusional if you think this won't happen.

 

[SMOGZINN]

when 3 people marry, at least 2 will have to be gay.

*Facepalm* No. No one would have to be gay. They would most likely be bisexual, but they don't even have to be that. Two men can love and be married to the same woman without wanting to have sex with each other.

 

[TheGardener]

Polygamy and beastiality shouldn't be illegal (not saying they should be encouraged either.)

Who, really, is injured by either practice? What harm do they cause?

Morality shouldn't be legislated.

But are they mutually exclusive?

One thing for sure. All this is going lead to a full employment act for lawyers.

 

[Phoenix86]

You won't discuss in depth because they are legitimate solutions to polygamy. Also, it has nothing to do with attacking same sex marriage and everything to do with how this country is turning liberal at an alarming rate. Most liberals would respond to polygamy with the simplified explanation "love is love" and 100-avg-IQ-America would also vote for it because it follows the same premise as LBGT slogans. For example, if I want to marry a couple and we all love each other, who are you to say we cannot? LBGT helped pave the way for polygamy because when 3 people marry, at least 2 will have to be gay. Hence this is the next logical step for "no-fair-we-love-each-other-and-also-deserve-the federal benefits". You are delusional if you think this won't happen.

I'm not discussing it because it's not really the place for it, go start a poly thread. Also, because while there are possible solutions, it simply won't happen. The climb is too steep and the reward is too small.

Ya know that "choice" decision gay people don't have, folks wanting polygamy have that. It's one of the critical reasons same sex has and will be accepted but polygamy won't.

But go ahead and paint everyone with broad strokes, if you support same sex marriage you support fucking goats and marrying 5 people, because it's logical. Good luck with.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally Posted by SP33Demon:
when 3 people marry, at least 2 will have to be gay


that's totally not true.

 

[SP33Demon]

I'm not discussing it because it's not really the place for it, go start a poly thread. Also, because while there are possible solutions, it simply won't happen. The climb is too steep and the reward is too small.

Ya know that "choice" decision gay people don't have, folks wanting polygamy have that. It's one of the critical reasons same sex has and will be accepted but polygamy won't.

But go ahead and paint everyone with broad strokes, if you support same sex marriage you support fucking goats and marrying 5 people, because it's logical. Good luck with.

But "love is love". Try arguing with that with the idiots.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally Posted by SP33Demon:
when 3 people marry, at least 2 will have to be gay


that's totally not true.

Gay or bisexual which are splitting hairs at that point, no normal straight guy is going to legally marry another man unless they're fucking. Now maybe it could be some two straight women marrying Charlie Sheen scenario but we saw how that ended up. That could theoretically happen with a rich baller type.

 

[CZroe]

Gay or bisexual which are splitting hairs at that point, no normal straight guy is going to legally marry another man unless they're fucking. Now maybe it could be some two straight women marrying Charlie Sheen scenario but we saw how that ended up. That could theoretically happen with a rich baller type.

I think you are wrong about that. People already marry sexlessly for tax or immigration reasons. Religious polygamy like the Mormans is almost always one man, many women, and the women aren't lesbian or bisexual. Not sure where you got the opposite idea.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Gay or bisexual which are splitting hairs at that point, no normal straight guy is going to legally marry another man unless they're fucking. Now maybe it could be some two straight women marrying Charlie Sheen scenario but we saw how that ended up. That could theoretically happen with a rich baller type.

You are definitely wrong. I know several such people. Two guys you are best friends and share a girlfriend. It is more common than you believe. Oh, and it is not splitting hairs. Gay men do not have sex with women.

 

[SP33Demon]

You are definitely wrong. I know several such people. Two guys you are best friends and share a girlfriend. It is more common than you believe. Oh, and it is not splitting hairs. Gay men do not have sex with women.

Yes, but this is proving the point that it will happen next if you already know people doing it. Even if it's 1% of the population, Americans get bored and love to champion their first world problem causes. Besides, Love is love, remember? Good luck arguing that with your 100-IQ neighbors whose vote counts just as much as yours. Idiocracy will be here before we know it now that studies have proven that social media causes us to get dumber.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Wrong...evolution is judge, jury and sometimes executioner.

No, he's right. Evolution is what happens to imperfect replicators. That's it. It doesn't decide what is "correct" and therefore does not decide what is "defective."

As a pure species whose only guaranteed method of survival is male-female sexual reproduction, homosexuality is a defect.

Labeling something a "defect" implies knowledge of an ideal from which the labeled thing departs. You have no such knowledge, and evolution does not reveal or imply any such ideal.

Also, kin selection. Look it up.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

SP33Demon is a creationist. You can basically disregard anything he says.

 

[KeithTalent]

SP33Demon is a creationist. You can basically disregard anything he says.

Lol. Win.

KT

 

[SP33Demon]

SP33Demon is a creationist. You can basically disregard anything he says.

Oh look, it's my stalker who believes that an organ can be formed from a single-celled organism. Hai :waves:

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Oh look, it's my stalker who believes that an organ can be formed from a single-celled organism. Hai :waves:

Oh look it's a delusional imbecile who believes that all the sex he's having with various farm animals will give him eternal youth and good fortune.

 

[SP33Demon]

Oh look it's a delusional imbecile who believes that all the sex he's having with various farm animals will give him eternal youth and good fortune.

Lol wrong, learn to read Mr.Unicellar. I said polygamy will be the next legalized thing. BTW, can you tell your atheist friends to stop murdering fellow Christians in Churches? Or committing hates crimes (Muslim students killed in NC by another atheist)? It's not a good look. Bill Gates is rooting for you to finally "evolve" spiritually and accept intelligent design. Otherwise, stop using the operating system he invented.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

See what I mean?