I no longer consider myself a christian

[Taejin]

but what about the fags?

:hmm:

they bother him because he dreams of stuff like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s1iQODC5OI

 

[sandorski]

As a Christian you want 90% of other self-proclaimed Christians to abandon their open faith?

Nah, it's the old, "You quit cause you were not legit" angle. Every former Christian hears that one.

 

[Taejin]

You don't know the horrors I endured in this google image search. :\

Behold the glory of faggots.

that lovely human looks delicious

 

[Malak]

As a Christian you want 90% of other self-proclaimed Christians to abandon their open faith?

His point is that they don't actually believe, they are just following a religion. Self-aware men dislike this, regardless of their belief in God. Even God dislikes this. In both old and new testament it says this. Religion is nonsense, man-made, and disruptive to what God intended.

If the religion was a burden to him, there are 2 possibilities. The first, the most likely one, has already been mentioned several times. He wasn't a Christian in the biblical sense but rather in the religious sense. Maybe he was catholic, maybe he was presbyterian. Irrelevant, but the point is many religious bodies call themselves Christian but they are still religious bodies filled with religious people. This isn't an insult to the OP, simply pointing out the most plausible situation. The 2nd situation... well that is worse. He wants to sin. That is not unusual either, many feel this way. And his insults to others in this thread may prove to be examples of this situation.

Both of these issues are relevant to any man who calls himself Christian. Some people wake up one day and find the religion nonsense and stop, what some might consider "growing up". Some at an early age get turned off, fail to see the point. Hard to blame them. But everyone has the same opportunity to talk to God. You walk away from religion, but God is always there. If you simply say he doesn't exist, but fail to make any attempt to actually prove this to yourself... that is denial. You only hurt yourself. You can be quite afraid to face the possibility that God is very real, but quite relieved when you find the truth. Everything you ever did wrong, you will be forgiven. And the only thing he asks for in return is to love others. It's so simple, but men screw it up all the time with religion. Yes, hate religion. Hate it with all your heart. But love God, and love each other.

 

[Zebo]

Don' be so flipped. There are some good philosophy in the bible some bad. Take the good discard the bad and add on from other sources. All all religions are at core was philosophies to making civil society with total explanation of universe mixed in for the retards who can't deal with uncertainty.

 

[disappoint]

I don't know what you're talking about but here's a pic of a lovely human with a bay leaf on it's head.

You don't know the horrors I endured in this google image search. :\

Behold the glory of faggots.

 

[MikeMike]

 

[HeavyD]

Don' be so flipped. There are some good philosophy in the bible some bad. Take the good discard the bad and add on from other sources. All all religions are at core was philosophies to making civil society with total explanation of universe mixed in for the retards who can't deal with uncertainty.

I do see your point and it's a great way to start a new religion.

To the OP, I've been through this and the family gave me grief but eventually accepted it. They still hope I come back to religion though.

 

[meltdown75]

Ah nice, so you posted this here to get a pat on the back from all the other haters?

good job.... :thumbsup:

 

[Dr. Zaus]

As a Christian you want 90% of other self-proclaimed Christians to abandon their open faith?

Yes, the 10% that are left will no longer have the other 90% profaning what it is to follow Christ.

At that point the idea that following Christ is hard at all will become ludicrous.

If someone is a Christian it isn't under their own power, it is by grace through God-given faith. You can't be a Christian and then feel like a weight is taken off by not following Christ, you can only be part of the religious-for-religion's-sake group.

Following Christ is the easiest thing on earth for you to do, because it is all done by God, we simply accept it.

"I don't love any more and now I fee SOO much better"
See, that doesn't make sense; as such, anyone who feels burdened by 'following Christ' isn't following in love but in religion.

"I no longer let some guy take 10% of my money and tell me to do stuff that I either 1.)wasn't going to do in the first place or 2.) am going to do anyway but now he's making me feel crappy"
See, THAT makes sense; But that isn't being a follower of Christ, that's being part of some stupid religion.

So yes, anyone that isn't part of a relationship with Christ should stop profaning the name of Christ by 'acting' christian without having a relationship with Christ. So, yes, I 100% support the move of the OP but still hope that one day he comes to follow Christ.

 

[surfsatwerk]

And many lulz were had this morning.

 

[airdata]

It feels like a 1000 bricks have been lifted off my shoulders. I don't have all the answers, nor am I foolish enough to think I ever will. But I feel so much better. Now lets see how family reacts to updated religious views on facebook. That is all

I am not a troll.

You mean, there are people that don't realize the bible was only partially translated, and then edited to meet the purposes of earlier civilizations to control the population?

 

[Dr. Zaus]

You mean, there are people that don't realize the bible was only partially translated, and then edited to meet the purposes of earlier civilizations to control the population?

What wasn't translated are only books written 100ad+, well after eye witnesses to the resurrection.

The way it was translated is contentious, but then we have many different translations, none of which disagree with the basic truth of Christ: Salvation is by grace through faith.

Did you know that Christ's teachings are entirely contrary to the 'control of the population' argument, as Christ was against formal religious laws.

While often perverted for the task you posit, the actual life and teachings of Christ, as we know then from the bible and non-christian historical records, are purely good.

 

[MikeMike]

And many lulz were had this morning.

 

[Modelworks]

You can't be a Christian and then feel like a weight is taken off by not following Christ

So very true. When I hear someone say church or religion is stressful, I know right away they missed the message.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

So very true. When I hear someone say church or religion is stressful, I know right away they missed the message.

So very very true. The only way to be a Christian is to completely turn off your brain. If you start to think for even a second you can't be a good little jesusfreak.

 

[Modelworks]

So very very true. The only way to be a Christian is to completely turn off your brain. If you start to think for even a second you can't be a good little jesusfreak.

I'll pray for you anyway.

 

[totalnoob]

I'll pray for you anyway.

I'll sacrifice a goat for you.

 

[thepd7]

1st reply was all this thread needed.

 

[QueBert]

So very very true. The only way to be a Christian is to completely turn off your brain. If you start to think for even a second you can't be a good little jesusfreak.

Free will would involve using ones brain, you fail at religion bashing.

As another has said I will pray for you.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

It amuses me to see several individuals attempt to distinguish their own private "Christian" worldview from the generally practiced Christianity featured in churches across the country as though they alone have the secret decoder ring to the Bible giving them access to the "real" truth... and yet still they contradict one another.

The way it was translated is contentious, but then we have many different translations, none of which disagree with the basic truth of Christ: Salvation is by grace through faith.

LOL. :biggrin: If that were the "basic truth" why did Jesus himself set forth necessary and sufficient conditions for entering the Kingdom of Heaven without once mentioning faith or grace?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew 25:31-25:46&version=KJV

Maybe Jesus forgot the basic truth that day.

/The top has been wound
//Now watch it spin, spin, spin

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

He wasn't a Christian in the biblical sense but rather in the religious sense.

Demonstrate that this distinction is meaningful.

{snip}

But everyone has the same opportunity to talk to God.

I thought it was worthwhile to note that this is true even for gods that do not exist.:biggrin:

You walk away from religion, but God is always there.

Where?

{snip}

 

[ctark]

Just for the record, I was not catholic. My whole family is baptist. I accepted Jesus Christ as my lord and savior at the age of 14. I very much believed in God then.

The reason I said I felt free because the last 8 years or so I've tried to be something I'm not. I'm not an atheist, I'm more of an agnostic if anything. I'm still searching for truth, I may never find it.

 

[videogames101]

Just for the record, I was not catholic. My whole family is baptist. I accepted Jesus Christ as my lord and savior at the age of 14. I very much believed in God then.

The reason I said I felt free because the last 8 years or so I've tried to be something I'm not. I'm not an atheist, I'm more of an agnostic if anything. I'm still searching for truth, I may never find it.

Let me make sure I'm hearing you right. You don't know the truth, but you also believe it is knowable. If that is the case, your not agnostic. Agnostic means you believe that the knowledge of something like "god" is literally unknowable.

And, when you say your not a atheist, you are saying you have a belief in some theistic idea. Is that correct?

 

[Dr. Zaus]

It amuses me to see several individuals attempt to distinguish their own private "Christian" worldview from the generally practiced Christianity featured in churches across the country as though they alone have the secret decoder ring to the Bible giving them access to the "real" truth... and yet still they contradict one another.


LOL. :biggrin: If that were the "basic truth"

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%2025:31-25:46&version=KJV

When told that what he was teaching was impossible for a human his response was "for man it is impossible, but for God all things are possible". You can play semantics on that if you like; but the point is that what Jesus taught was the right way to live: something that God does through us. A reasonable reading of the teachings of Jesus clearly brings this to light.

The teachings in the churches that follow Christ agree with this; it is the self-righteous people attending the church, or not, that don't get it.