Ok, I will give you a little history lesson, you can take this to heart, I know you haven't learned the history of the situation, or else you wouldn't (hopefully) think that Osama had nothing to gain from his cowardly acts, and that we bombed our own people. Afghanistan was a war torn province, under the control of the USSR. The United States felt that the people of Afghanistan were being oppressed and decided to help their mujanadin movement (freedom movement) we supplied them with weapons and training which eventually led to the end of the Soviet Occupation as the Soviets had neither the will power nor the funding to continue the financially and morally draining war effort. After the Afghani's became their own rulers, the United States backed out of it to let them sort things out themselves, the tribes turned on each other and began fighting, many in the world felt that we should have had a stronger presence after the war (similar to what we are doing today) and help create a new government, but as it were we did not, this made many angry, including Osama Bin Laden who was one of the freedom fighters with immense wealth due to his family's construction business in Saudi Arabia. He felt that he and the people of Afghanistan were owed reparations by the United States (not that the Afghanis would ever see any of it) not in the form of money, but in something he felt we took, namely stability. He vowed to strike out at America, possibly trying to de-stabalize us, staging many terroristic attacks (the first world trade center bombing, the us embasy bombing etc.) all leading up to his attacks on September 11th. On that day he struck at symbols of our financial status in the world, aiming possibly to de-stabalize our economy, which would not allow us to fund other war efforts such as the one we had funded in Afghanistan, and Israel (this part is speculation on my part, I urge you to dissect and analyze it if it is at all possible for you to carry out those tasks) Now you have to ask yourself what the American government would have gained from attacking its own citizens? Think, try hard and think. Nothing? You can't come up with anything? Please think things trough before spouting off like this ok?
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Ok, I will give you a little history lesson, you can take this to heart, I know you haven't learned the history of the situation, or else you wouldn't (hopefully) think that Osama had nothing to gain from his cowardly acts, and that we bombed our own people. Afghanistan was a war torn province, under the control of the USSR. The United States felt that the people of Afghanistan were being oppressed and decided to help their mujanadin movement (freedom movement) we supplied them with weapons and training which eventually led to the end of the Soviet Occupation as the Soviets had neither the will power nor the funding to continue the financially and morally draining war effort. After the Afghani's became their own rulers, the United States backed out of it to let them sort things out themselves, the tribes turned on each other and began fighting, many in the world felt that we should have had a stronger presence after the war (similar to what we are doing today) and help create a new government, but as it were we did not, this made many angry, including Osama Bin Laden who was one of the freedom fighters with immense wealth due to his family's construction business in Saudi Arabia. He felt that he and the people of Afghanistan were owed reparations by the United States (not that the Afghanis would ever see any of it) not in the form of money, but in something he felt we took, namely stability. He vowed to strike out at America, possibly trying to de-stabalize us, staging many terroristic attacks (the first world trade center bombing, the us embasy bombing etc.) all leading up to his attacks on September 11th. On that day he struck at symbols of our financial status in the world, aiming possibly to de-stabalize our economy, which would not allow us to fund other war efforts such as the one we had funded in Afghanistan, and Israel (this part is speculation on my part, I urge you to dissect and analyze it if it is at all possible for you to carry out those tasks) Now you have to ask yourself what the American government would have gained from attacking its own citizens? Think, try hard and think. Nothing? You can't come up with anything? Please think things trough before spouting off like this ok?
What is your justification is this? Where is the proof? I need hard solid proof, how do you know they were shooting blanks? Did you load the weapons? Where did you get the idea that we put Bin Ladens men in power anywhere? You are wrong on many accounts, however you are right on one: You are a victim. Albeit a different kind of victim than you would like to be, you are a victim of bad genes (as demonstrated by your ability to think and make rational decisions on your own) and a victim of biased media, which exacerbates the first flaw you have (bad genes)
Pliablemoose
Lifer
Maybe we'd get less of this crap if we quit allowing TV shows like Jerry Springer to be shown in other countries...
What is the tax cap? I for one believe that we should all pay the same percentage income tax, why is it fair for a person who has worked hard to earn his way in this world to pay a higher percentage than someone who has not worked as hard? They should both pay the same percent, obviously not the same ammount, but the same percent, and 50% is too high, although not as bad as France.
Daishan wrote:
Let's pls not address anything like that. At first, I thought you were addressing me.
Gomce... this 'discussion' is pointless, totally and unquestionably. What makes me puzzled... why are you so worried about politics? There's nothing wrong in having your own point of view, but it's not if the point of view is completely wrong. So pls don't take me seriously, no offense meant, man.
Let's pls not address anything like that. At first, I thought you were addressing me.
Gomce... this 'discussion' is pointless, totally and unquestionably. What makes me puzzled... why are you so worried about politics? There's nothing wrong in having your own point of view, but it's not if the point of view is completely wrong. So pls don't take me seriously, no offense meant, man.
I'm sorry, you misunderstood. I don't really care if you thought I was addressing you and got offended. You see I am opposed to any form of political correctness, if you get your feelings hurt, you need to analyze why they got hurt, it is an issue that the person whose feelings got hurt needs to address, not the person they unjustly feel wronged them. Besides you must read into his posts, it is clear he feels like he is a victim, I am showing him that it is not society as a whole that victimized him, but his inability to make rational decisions and formulate good arguments that has victimized him. Oh and one more thing I don't know if you have noticed, but when someone is quoted, they are named in the first line of the post. Food for thought.
Don't get so defensive people,
No one addresses the views in my post but everyone is trying the psychological garbage that something is wrong with me. So what if it is, that makes my post worthless and while the lunatic is locked up, we can completely discard him and get back to sleep..?
Try to be a little self critical, I am very self critical about me and my surroundings, I didn't post from "I am perfect" point of view, just from points I feel more comfortable.
No one addresses the views in my post but everyone is trying the psychological garbage that something is wrong with me. So what if it is, that makes my post worthless and while the lunatic is locked up, we can completely discard him and get back to sleep..?
Try to be a little self critical, I am very self critical about me and my surroundings, I didn't post from "I am perfect" point of view, just from points I feel more comfortable.
rudder
Lifer
1. You've slaughtered everything you've tumbled upon, starting from the Indians, than recently Vietnamese, Serbians, Israeli...
Indians, yes that was a bad situation. But it was over 150 years ago. Not much I can do to change that. Plus the indians were savage to each other as well. The Vietnamese, yeh we slaughtered their communist asses. I am not an expert on the Vietnam War, but we did fight along with the South Vietnamese who wanted to maintain a democracy. I only wish we were able to slaughter the Khmer Rouge as well. Seeing as they felt it was right to slaughter millions of their own people. The Serbians, sorry we had to kick their butts as well. As much I am sure you enjoyed watching genocide take part in the region, the U.S. felt we should step in and prevent it. Hate us for that, we don't give a damn. I guess you were hoping to rid your country of Muslims as well. Israel... I don't recall we tried to slaughter them. We ended a slaughter in World War II though.
All I can say is you better watch your puny ass country or will will kick your asses as well.
Indians, yes that was a bad situation. But it was over 150 years ago. Not much I can do to change that. Plus the indians were savage to each other as well. The Vietnamese, yeh we slaughtered their communist asses. I am not an expert on the Vietnam War, but we did fight along with the South Vietnamese who wanted to maintain a democracy. I only wish we were able to slaughter the Khmer Rouge as well. Seeing as they felt it was right to slaughter millions of their own people. The Serbians, sorry we had to kick their butts as well. As much I am sure you enjoyed watching genocide take part in the region, the U.S. felt we should step in and prevent it. Hate us for that, we don't give a damn. I guess you were hoping to rid your country of Muslims as well. Israel... I don't recall we tried to slaughter them. We ended a slaughter in World War II though.
All I can say is you better watch your puny ass country or will will kick your asses as well.
DaiShan, I already answered what the US gets.
If US wins the so called anti terrorist war and it's presence in the middle east is strengthened it gets the following benefits:
governments chosen/promoted/financed by US ("if you don't put this government in place, no loans, no cooperation")
in fact, with this, US practically gets a load of oil for cheap,
controlling the middle east means US bases there, being near Russia...everything, all for the price of few buildings.
And do you really think if CIA wanted BinLaden dead or anyone in this world they couldn't have done it by now 🙂) give me a brake.
and I think this thread is over.
If US wins the so called anti terrorist war and it's presence in the middle east is strengthened it gets the following benefits:
governments chosen/promoted/financed by US ("if you don't put this government in place, no loans, no cooperation")
in fact, with this, US practically gets a load of oil for cheap,
controlling the middle east means US bases there, being near Russia...everything, all for the price of few buildings.
And do you really think if CIA wanted BinLaden dead or anyone in this world they couldn't have done it by now 🙂) give me a brake.
and I think this thread is over.
Demon-Xanth
Lifer
¿usted lee inglés?
lesen Sie Englisch?
leggete l'inglese?
lisez-vous l'anglais?
você lê o inglês?
I ask because by your response, you odviously DIDN'T read the majority of the earlier posts in this thread.
(babelfish is fun)
Again, you are too heavily swayed by biased sources, such as Hollywood. If someone is in hiding a thousand miles away in a cave somewhere, you honestly think we can just go and off them? Have you ever been looking for someone in a mall? Did you find them? How long did it take? Same concept on a much grander scale. Also your ideas of what the United States gets are completely ridiculous, you think that if we topple one government in the middle east, we will get all the oil we want cheaply? Think again, all governments require revenue, but new governments require massive revenue, say they sell oil to us cheaply, that only marginally offsets the loans we provide them. My next point is the means do not justify the ends, if the government slaughtered 3 thousand people in the hopes that they would be able to get cheap oil, they were sadly mistaken, it has helped the economy slip into a slump (that is bad financially, and offsets any gains we might attain by cheap foreign oil) plus the government has to fund the war effort which costs money and this cost eventually surpasses any savings we might have seen by gaining cheap oil, think with your head, you need to work on your analytical skills before attempting to join an intelligent discussion. Oh and one more thing, you cannot toss out an argument and then say the issue is closed based on your last word, if you want people to take you seriously you have to be able to take their criticisms. (Based on one of your own contentions)
OK, but just to keep your slime juice off my radials, Goober.
Folks, if you've got a bone to pick with G-Boy's juvenile spoutings, his user rating is a well deserved 1.51, and falling.
Vote early, and vote often, it's the American way! 😀
Assuming you are in Macedonia:
Not far away from where you live, about 2.5 millennia ago, the Greek philosophers came up with the basis of Western logic.
People don't buy your BS unless you provide a solid evidence to back your claims. And why is this thread over? Are you afraid to defend your absurd claims? Or are you afraid to admit that you are wrong?
I don't agree with everything USA did but I have good reasons. You don't. So screw off.
TheOmegaCode
Platinum Member
Bull. Get your facts straight, we invent stuff, they perfect it. They sell it, we buy it... It's a symbiotic relationship.
To the guy that I don't have facts. I have facts but what use they do, everyone got so defensive that doesn't matter whatever I say I will be wrong.
Why can't admit that the system you live in owns you a lot. Everything you do is based on war, you chew on people and throw them away, no matter if they are Americans (who took care of the invalids from Vietnam) or other people.
I am not into politics to give specific dates/places for facts, but just minutes ago I watched the news and saw an Irish women, politician who is getting to answer for her deeds (She claimed the people "responsible" for the 11 sept. attacks who are in custody and without trial should be released if they are not put to trial yet)
You live by the law of the stronger, yet you proclaim some humectation laws to other people, preaching democracy... It is nice to kill, but if someone else starts killing (example Serbian's president who started killing the Albanians) you bomb their country.
If you were so good why doesn't the European countries support you in NAto to bomb the middle east ? Or they are bitches and coward and what else I've read on these forums.
C'mon, you do whatever you want to do, admit it, nothing wrong to be strong and look after your own interests, but at least you who live there have guts to say that, and not: We do all this for the benefit of the oppressed and we get nothing out of it.
Why can't admit that the system you live in owns you a lot. Everything you do is based on war, you chew on people and throw them away, no matter if they are Americans (who took care of the invalids from Vietnam) or other people.
I am not into politics to give specific dates/places for facts, but just minutes ago I watched the news and saw an Irish women, politician who is getting to answer for her deeds (She claimed the people "responsible" for the 11 sept. attacks who are in custody and without trial should be released if they are not put to trial yet)
You live by the law of the stronger, yet you proclaim some humectation laws to other people, preaching democracy... It is nice to kill, but if someone else starts killing (example Serbian's president who started killing the Albanians) you bomb their country.
If you were so good why doesn't the European countries support you in NAto to bomb the middle east ? Or they are bitches and coward and what else I've read on these forums.
C'mon, you do whatever you want to do, admit it, nothing wrong to be strong and look after your own interests, but at least you who live there have guts to say that, and not: We do all this for the benefit of the oppressed and we get nothing out of it.
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