I live in a country that puts babies in cages

[UNCjigga]

What should be done with the children of illegal immigrants who cross the border?

Give them back to the their parents. Allow asylum seekers to stay free as long as they agree to some sort of monitoring...auto deportation if they fail to show up at court.

Families that break the law should be detained together until their deportation date...but logistically this is a nightmare. I don't blame Trump for this taking time as it's always been a problem. You've got to speed up deportation hearings AND put additional resources into detention facilities appropriate for nuclear families.

What I do blame Trump for is charging 100% of first-time illegal border jumpers (including asylum seekers) with a crime and referring for prosecution, which necessitated taking the kids. They created a surge in "unaccompanied" minors without planning for additional facilities, when they should've at least learned from what happened with Obama in 2014/2015. They even threw out Obama admin procedures on reunification (undid the policy right before zero tolerance.) Profound stupidity.

 

[Commodus]

Works for me, I'd much rather hire an illegal than a native-born progressive anyway and evidently millions of employers feel the same way given black youth unemployment rates north of 40%.

Or it could be that people like you vote in politicians who deny those black youths educational and economic opportunities while simultaneously insisting that they "pull themselves up by their bootstraps."

I'm honestly convinced you lack the ability to empathize with other human beings.

 

[SMOGZINN]

What should be done with the children of illegal immigrants who cross the border?

They should be left with their family. Their family should be given a court date and assigned a case worker then given a temporary visa while they await that court date. This is what we did in the past and it worked. 99.6% of them showed up for that court date.

 

[feralkid]

What should be done with the children of illegal immigrants who cross the border?

Stop making them into orphans.

 

[feralkid]

Or it could be that people like you vote in politicians who deny those black youths educational and economic opportunities while simultaneously insisting that they "pull themselves up by their bootstraps."

I'm honestly convinced you lack the ability to empathize with other human beings.

Garden variety sociopath is he.

Quite tedious.

 

[glenn1]

Or it could be that people like you vote in politicians who deny those black youths educational and economic opportunities while simultaneously insisting that they "pull themselves up by their bootstraps."

I'm honestly convinced you lack the ability to empathize with other human beings.

Nah, I think it's probably that illegals cost a small fraction of the labor price considering the education factor for minimum wage jobs isn't really in play. If you only speak Spanish and are still getting "hired" over the black youth with so-so English skills (but still vastly more than the illegal's zero English skills) then it's pretty obvious "educational opportunities" isn't the limiting factor. Since minimum wage puts an absolute floor on the price which black youths can offer their labor and that floor isn't shared by illegals you might consider that more of a hardship than "bootstraps."

 

[glenn1]

They should be left with their family. Their family should be given a court date and assigned a case worker then given a temporary visa while they await that court date. This is what we did in the past and it worked. 99.6% of them showed up for that court date.

So basically give them a couple months to years unfettered access to the U.S. as a "free trial" before they need to commit to staying here permanently? And if they don't show up they'll almost certainly still be able to stay unless by some miracle we happen to catch them later?

 

[fskimospy]

Nah, I think it's probably that illegals cost a small fraction of the labor price considering the education factor for minimum wage jobs isn't really in play. If you only speak Spanish and are still getting "hired" over the black youth with so-so English skills (but still vastly more than the illegal's zero English skills) then it's pretty obvious "educational opportunities" isn't the limiting factor. Since minimum wage puts an absolute floor on the price which black youths can offer their labor and that floor isn't shared by illegals you might consider that more of a hardship than "bootstraps."

Meh, empirical research is very mixed on that topic and generally shows at worst very modest negative effects on low wage workers. Those negative effects are dwarfed by the effects of other policies you enthusiastically support so if they are our concern let's stick to other, more impactful things.

 

[SMOGZINN]

So basically give them a couple months to years unfettered access to the U.S. as a "free trial" before they need to commit to staying here permanently? And if they don't show up they'll almost certainly still be able to stay unless by some miracle we happen to catch them later?

Yes, and why not?

 

[glenn1]

Yes, and why not?

So why are we bothering with visas or actually setting legal immigration quotas or anything else? Hell, given those circumstances it's stupid for anyone to bother using authorized methods to immigrate since it's cheaper, easier, and faster to not do so.

Again, moral people would examine your position and say "hey I didn't realize it but I actually support open borders so I should support laws like that." I'd be fine if you did say that in fact it's basically the system I want (only with immigration quotas to match demand thus negating the need for illegal immigration). Instead you want to keep a system that underpays illegals, erodes the rule of law, and disincentivizes actually obeying our immigration laws, why is that?

 

[SMOGZINN]

So why are we bothering with visas or actually setting legal immigration quotas or anything else?

Did you miss the part where it works? That the people show up for the court date? If it didn't work I would have a different opinion. You are harming a lot of people to fix a problem that doesn't exist.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Did you miss the part where it works? That the people show up for the court date? If it didn't work I would have a different opinion. You are harming a lot of people to fix a problem that doesn't exist.

Conservative like complex and expensive government intervention to prevent things that don't happen in any appreciable number though.

 

[Jhhnn]

Nah, I think it's probably that illegals cost a small fraction of the labor price considering the education factor for minimum wage jobs isn't really in play. If you only speak Spanish and are still getting "hired" over the black youth with so-so English skills (but still vastly more than the illegal's zero English skills) then it's pretty obvious "educational opportunities" isn't the limiting factor. Since minimum wage puts an absolute floor on the price which black youths can offer their labor and that floor isn't shared by illegals you might consider that more of a hardship than "bootstraps."

Bullshit. Lots of Americans work "under the table" like illegals. There's a going rate even there & it's generally around or above minimum wage other than in extreme circumstances. There are also millions of illegals in this country working under assumed SS#'s.

 

[zinfamous]

What should be done with the children of illegal immigrants who cross the border?

well, glenn1 posted some rather tantalizing recipe options a few pages back.

 

[glenn1]

Bullshit. Lots of Americans work "under the table" like illegals. There's a going rate even there & it's generally around or above minimum wage other than in extreme circumstances. There are also millions of illegals in this country working under assumed SS#'s.

Yeah, right. Employers consciously decide to break the law and risk huge fines in order to hire an illegal (who could be deported at any moment) instead of a U.S. citizen or legal resident *AND* they pay them the same or higher than they would that citizen or legal resident. That sure is a convenient belief system you have going in that fantasy world of yours.

 

[hal2kilo]

Yeah, right. Employers consciously decide to break the law and risk huge fines in order to hire an illegal (who could be deported at any moment) instead of a U.S. citizen or legal resident *AND* they pay them the same or higher than they would that citizen or legal resident. That sure is a convenient belief system you have going in that fantasy world of yours.

Maybe it's because they are more productive workers. Can't get a decent car wash since I left So. Cal.

 

[Noah Abrams]

Nah, I think it's probably that illegals cost a small fraction of the labor price considering the education factor for minimum wage jobs isn't really in play. If you only speak Spanish and are still getting "hired" over the black youth with so-so English skills (but still vastly more than the illegal's zero English skills) then it's pretty obvious "educational opportunities" isn't the limiting factor. Since minimum wage puts an absolute floor on the price which black youths can offer their labor and that floor isn't shared by illegals you might consider that more of a hardship than "bootstraps."

I don’t think it has much to do with education or even rate of pay. Mexicans are much harder workers both legal and illegal

 

[Noah Abrams]

politicians who deny those black youths educational and economic opportunities

That may sound good as a standard line, but really.......lets not go there

 

[glenn1]

Maybe it's because they are more productive workers. Can't get a decent car wash since I left So. Cal.

I don’t think it has much to do with education or even rate of pay. Mexicans are much harder workers both legal and illegal

So what do you think @Jhhnn? Are you also of the belief that illegals (or maybe like Noah, Mexicans in particular) are to be preferred because blacks are lazy workers or do you think it's only white folks who are lazy? I mean the astronomical rates of unemployment among urban black youth is actually pretty good evidence that city dwelling progressives believe that to be true.

 

[Noah Abrams]

So what do you think @Jhhnn? Are you also of the belief that illegals (or maybe like Noah, Mexicans in particular) are to be preferred because blacks are lazy workers or do you think it's only white folks who are lazy? I mean the astronomical rates of unemployment among urban black youth is actually pretty good evidence that city dwelling progressives believe that to be true.

I am not a progressive. No, no, no!!!

 

[Svnla]

The dad says the girl in the picture was not taken from her mother -

https://www.yahoo.com/news/father-says-little-honduran-girl-time-cover-not-024329900.html

 

[ivwshane]

Oh right, the path to citizenship which means they can apply for citizenship after 10 years of hiding from the law and getting paid sub-minimum wage. That makes sense, we want the staffers getting too complacent in their positions and we need to inject some need blood periodically once they're eligible to make that big minimum wage money.

Are you fucking retarded? A path to citizenship they take ten years doesn't mean they are in hiding, just the opposite in fact. It means they come out of the shadows and pay taxes like everyone else and it means they get paid like everyone else as well.


You dumb ass trump tards and your alternative reality and alternative facts can go fuck yourself!

 

[ivwshane]

Works for me, I'd much rather hire an illegal than a native-born progressive anyway and evidently millions of employers feel the same way given black youth unemployment rates north of 40%.

Actually the rates for youth unemployment are 12, 24, 6, and 14 for white, black, Asian, and Hispanic.

But who am I to correct an ingrained talking point of a boot licker like you.

 

[Noah Abrams]

The dad says the girl in the picture was not taken from her mother -

https://www.yahoo.com/news/father-says-little-honduran-girl-time-cover-not-024329900.html

This is the kind of stuff that makes people disbelieve everything coming out of media. In this case of children separation, it is a ghastly thing what the govt has been doing. But the media has no credibility and so many people just don't believe much of it. The boy who cried wolf story...

 

[Victorian Gray]

What should be done with the children of illegal immigrants who cross the border?

Kidnap them, drug them and throw them in cages, and deport their parents. Hallelujah and praise the lord!