I just wrecked my car last night. Update with PICs

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: fisher
too fast for conditions seems to be a generic "someone has to be at fault" ticket.

In a one car accident the driver is ALWAYS at fault. You have to be in control of your car. If you hit something you're obviously not in control. Period.

i understand that, apparently the OP is confused tho.

 

[Casawi]

Originally posted by: Evadman

Originally posted by: Casawi
Get out of here man... I had my foot on the break the whole time I was turning ... I keep repeating as soon as I pushed more on the brake paddle my car started going faster onto a telephone pole.

Duh. If you start sliding, you are slowing down less (or providing less friction) then you can without sliding and using the brakes to their fullest potential. What do you think ABS does? It keeps the wheels from locking up, because locking up is bad.

Then, you turned the wheel, which actually makes it worse. You put all the tread on the tires facing a different direction than the best direction for stopping.

If you would have taken your foot off the brake entirely, and turned the wheel back closer to straight you would have been able to recover. Or at least steer away from the obstacle.

Unfortunately, there is not a ticket for 'this guy doesn't know how to drive and should never have gotten a license', the closest one is 'driving too fast for conditions. No matter how you look at this, it is 100% your fault. Well, unless you want to blame God, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Storm from X-Men or whoever you feel like blaming for the weather.

I didn't look at the damage, so I can't tell if you were going 10 or 100, but assuming you were going 10, I can summarize this entire thread in 2 sentences.

You don't know how to drive in the snow.
You were going too fast for conditions.

Prrrrrrrrrrrrrrr your comment is out the window. Pretty much anyone who gets in an accident doesn't know how to drive.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Casawi

Originally posted by: Evadman

Originally posted by: Casawi
Get out of here man... I had my foot on the break the whole time I was turning ... I keep repeating as soon as I pushed more on the brake paddle my car started going faster onto a telephone pole.

Duh. If you start sliding, you are slowing down less (or providing less friction) then you can without sliding and using the brakes to their fullest potential. What do you think ABS does? It keeps the wheels from locking up, because locking up is bad.

Then, you turned the wheel, which actually makes it worse. You put all the tread on the tires facing a different direction than the best direction for stopping.

If you would have taken your foot off the brake entirely, and turned the wheel back closer to straight you would have been able to recover. Or at least steer away from the obstacle.

Unfortunately, there is not a ticket for 'this guy doesn't know how to drive and should never have gotten a license', the closest one is 'driving too fast for conditions. No matter how you look at this, it is 100% your fault. Well, unless you want to blame God, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Storm from X-Men or whoever you feel like blaming for the weather.

I didn't look at the damage, so I can't tell if you were going 10 or 100, but assuming you were going 10, I can summarize this entire thread in 2 sentences.

You don't know how to drive in the snow.
You were going too fast for conditions.

Prrrrrrrrrrrrrrr your comment is out the window. Pretty much anyone who gets in an accident doesn't know how to drive.

anyone that gets in an accident that is entirely there fault, doesn't know how to drive.

 

[Kalvin00]

Originally posted by: biggestmuff
10-15 MPH? No. Effing. Way.

Sounds and looks right to me.

I did this by hitting that tree at around 20 mph...

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

Originally posted by: Kalvin00

Originally posted by: biggestmuff
10-15 MPH? No. Effing. Way.

Sounds and looks right to me.

Agreed. 10-15mph on ice is moving.

That sucks OP. Good luck with your case and don't pay attention to the negativity here..

 

[imported_Baloo]

I don't know, the damage to the truck looks like he hit at more than 10MPH, and that's after sliding a ways, jumping the curb, taking out a sign, then sliding further into the pole. I'd bet you were going at least 30 when you came into the curve, and only slowed to 15-20MPH by the time you reached the pole. I would not ticket you if I were a cop - that was rude - but you were guilty of what he ticketed you for. Fight it any way.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
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That sucks OP. Good luck with your case and don't pay attention to the negativity here..

Yeah, how dare we suggest that anyone who causes an accident through his own ineptitude grow a pair and take responsibility for his own actions. Silly us, this is ATOT. If you post a whine thread you're excused from blame :roll:

 

[Evadman]

Originally posted by: Casawi
Prrrrrrrrrrrrrrr your comment is out the window. Pretty much anyone who gets in an accident doesn't know how to drive.

That's not true. If it was, there would never be accidents in auto races. You can't take my comment and turn it into an all or nothing statement. I was addressing your accident only. Technically accident is the wrong term, it was a crash.

 

[Evadman]

That damage does look pretty consistent with a 10-15 mph crash into a pole.

 

[Casawi]

Originally posted by: Evadman

Originally posted by: Casawi
Prrrrrrrrrrrrrrr your comment is out the window. Pretty much anyone who gets in an accident doesn't know how to drive.

That's not true. If it was, there would never be accidents in auto races. You can't take my comment and turn it into an all or nothing statement. I was addressing your accident only. Technically accident is the wrong term, it was a crash.

Then you can't make such xxxxxx comments about my driving skills ! I prolly have a cleaner record than you with this crash

 

[waffleironhead]

Originally posted by: josh0099
So you think its actually worth the $92/a year for rental coverage up to $600 that you will use once in a blue moon?

The way he drives $92 a year is a bargain.:evil:

j/k casawi :laugh:

 

[Casawi]

Originally posted by: waffleironhead

Originally posted by: josh0099
So you think its actually worth the $92/a year for rental coverage up to $600 that you will use once in a blue moon?

The way he drives $92 a year is a bargain.:evil:

j/k casawi :laugh:

hahaha ... yeah I plan on wrecking that thing once more. This time it will but going uphill into someone's living room.

Actually my school's paper showed a student hitting ice, and loosing control into this living room. They're obviously blind, or don't know how to drive.... seriously how could one loose control and hit a house ??? idiots .... lol

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: rh71
The whole point of fines and penalties should be to get you to realize it is not worth it. I got a red light camera ticket and have not run even a yellow light since. They can be anywhere and you can't just look for a cop car on the side of the road. It's simply not worth $125. Not to be a dick, but I think the penalty was too small in your case. 30+mph over is excessive and you should've had to face reckless... I don't think you'd do that again anytime soon. The cop sucks for failing to do his job. Instead by giving you a break, he did nobody on the road a favor except you, for which you're taking advantage.

Running a red light and going 85 on a highway are a bit different. The cop may have failed to do his duty, or maybe he saw that I looked like an intelligent person and figured he'd cut me a break. Or maybe he was just lazy and wanted the quick payout. And I didn't change my ways because I'd rather pay money once in awhile than have to drive slow every single day of my life. Might as well be dead inside going 55 down the highway.

And the guy from Alaska who has never had trouble stopping on ice. I assume you are using chains on your tires in Alaska or some such scenario? If so, your experience is basically null and void when comparing to regular tires. If not, not sure what to say, but you can definitely slide further than that. Hell just search youtube for videos where people all slid down an iced / unsalted street for the entire length of the road while attempting to brake.

 

[QueBert]

a lot of you are hilarious, you remind me of the keyboard UFC warriors "I wouldn't have lost that fight, I would have gained full mount from the bottom and got him in a triangle choke, that dude has no idea how to fight"

OP was driving, hit ice out of nowhere and before he was able to adjust his driving he hit the pole. It's EASY to say what you WOULD DO if you were in the same situation, but until you're in it it's just talk.

I'm sure the OP is typically a decent driver, and I'm sure he didn't want to crash. in Cali I've hit water and sort of spun out, was going well under the speed, and when I lost control of my car all I could do was let it do a 180 on the freeway. I didn't crash but I had no control over what happened because by the time i realized what was happening it was already too late to adjust. Y'all are expecting the OP to be some super Nascar driver who has instant reflect skills.

 

[manowar821]

I'd like to see these ultra-authoritarian people here try to drive an appropriate speed for black-ice conditions. You know why? BECAUSE YOU CANNOT PLAN FOR BLACK ICE.

I have, on more than once occasion, almost spun out on a corner going <5mph. The people behind me were pissed off because I was going slow, but then shut the fuck up after seeing me almost slide into the ditch while driving like a grandma. People who think you can plan for every weather condition just by "slowing down like they're supposed to" are absolutely full of shit. There are things that are completely out of your control as a driver, so get over yourselves.

This very well could've NOT been your fault. FIGHT IT.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: manowar821
I'd like to see these ultra-authoritarian people here try to drive an appropriate speed for black-ice conditions. You know why? BECAUSE YOU CANNOT PLAN FOR BLACK ICE.

I have, on more than once occasion, almost spun out on a corner going <5mph. The people behind me were pissed off because I was going slow, but then shut the fuck up after seeing me almost slide into the ditch while driving like a grandma. People who think you can plan for every weather condition just by "slowing down like they're supposed to" are absolutely full of shit. There are things that are completely out of your control as a driver, so get over yourselves.

This very well could've NOT been your fault. FIGHT IT.

Please, you can see black ice if you're going slow enough and are aware of conditions. If you can't see it or you spin out then you are going too fast for conditions.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: manowar821
I'd like to see these ultra-authoritarian people here try to drive an appropriate speed for black-ice conditions. You know why? BECAUSE YOU CANNOT PLAN FOR BLACK ICE.

I have, on more than once occasion, almost spun out on a corner going <5mph. The people behind me were pissed off because I was going slow, but then shut the fuck up after seeing me almost slide into the ditch while driving like a grandma. People who think you can plan for every weather condition just by "slowing down like they're supposed to" are absolutely full of shit. There are things that are completely out of your control as a driver, so get over yourselves.

This very well could've NOT been your fault. FIGHT IT.

Please, you can see black ice if you're going slow enough and are aware of conditions. If you can't see it or you spin out then you are going too fast for conditions.

Try with a layer of snow on top?

 

[umbrella39]

I'm sure all these people deserve tickets, too.

 

[BeauJangles]

I love the armchair crash analysis in this thread. Nobody can say for sure how fast the OP was going, what condition the road was in, or if he could have done anything to avoid the accident. There are plenty of environmental conditions that, no mattter how cautiously you drive, are extremely dangerous.

Cut the guy some slack.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: manowar821
I'd like to see these ultra-authoritarian people here try to drive an appropriate speed for black-ice conditions. You know why? BECAUSE YOU CANNOT PLAN FOR BLACK ICE.

I have, on more than once occasion, almost spun out on a corner going <5mph. The people behind me were pissed off because I was going slow, but then shut the fuck up after seeing me almost slide into the ditch while driving like a grandma. People who think you can plan for every weather condition just by "slowing down like they're supposed to" are absolutely full of shit. There are things that are completely out of your control as a driver, so get over yourselves.

This very well could've NOT been your fault. FIGHT IT.

Please, you can see black ice if you're going slow enough and are aware of conditions. If you can't see it or you spin out then you are going too fast for conditions.

Try with a layer of snow on top?

no excuse, you should be psychic and know it's there! You claimed you were going FIVE miles per hour or less and idiots on here will still say "OMGWTFBBQ you were going way too fast for the conditions!"

black ice + snow = no condition to drive at all if you ask me. IF he was going <5 he was driving slow because he was trying to be careful and avoid black ice right? He still hit some though and almost slid out. My logic tells me if he was already drive that slow he was being careful already so you can't say he wasn't paying attention.

again, until it's you hittin that black ice it's easy to say what you "would have done"

 

[Casawi]

Originally posted by: QueBert
a lot of you are hilarious, you remind me of the keyboard UFC warriors "I wouldn't have lost that fight, I would have gained full mount from the bottom and got him in a triangle choke, that dude has no idea how to fight"

OP was driving, hit ice out of nowhere and before he was able to adjust his driving he hit the pole. It's EASY to say what you WOULD DO if you were in the same situation, but until you're in it it's just talk.

I'm sure the OP is typically a decent driver, and I'm sure he didn't want to crash. in Cali I've hit water and sort of spun out, was going well under the speed, and when I lost control of my car all I could do was let it do a 180 on the freeway. I didn't crash but I had no control over what happened because by the time i realized what was happening it was already too late to adjust. Y'all are expecting the OP to be some super Nascar driver who has instant reflect skills.

Yeah ... it wasn't a question of reflects.I had like 5 seconds or so to think about hitting that pole. I even started thinking of how bad am I going to hit the think. My car is heavier and was going down hill, I knew I wasnt about to come to a complete stop no matter what I did.
I think the bottom like is my car couldn't stop going down hill. I think if I was going to fast on those conditions I would of even made the turn.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: Casawi

Originally posted by: QueBert
a lot of you are hilarious, you remind me of the keyboard UFC warriors "I wouldn't have lost that fight, I would have gained full mount from the bottom and got him in a triangle choke, that dude has no idea how to fight"

OP was driving, hit ice out of nowhere and before he was able to adjust his driving he hit the pole. It's EASY to say what you WOULD DO if you were in the same situation, but until you're in it it's just talk.

I'm sure the OP is typically a decent driver, and I'm sure he didn't want to crash. in Cali I've hit water and sort of spun out, was going well under the speed, and when I lost control of my car all I could do was let it do a 180 on the freeway. I didn't crash but I had no control over what happened because by the time i realized what was happening it was already too late to adjust. Y'all are expecting the OP to be some super Nascar driver who has instant reflect skills.

Yeah ... it wasn't a question of reflects.I had like 5 seconds or so to think about hitting that pole. I even started thinking of how bad am I going to hit the think. My car is heavier and was going down hill, I knew I wasnt about to come to a complete stop no matter what I did.
I think the bottom like is my car couldn't stop going down hill. I think if I was going to fast on those conditions I would of even made the turn.

people panic, you were even semi anticipating problems already by driving slower, but when you're actually in a situation you might have played out in your head. It doesn't go exactly like you expect and reacting isn't as simple as going "well when I thought about it this is how I made it out"

I worked at a liquor store, we had a pistol and I was sure if I was ever robbed I would be able to get the pistol out and foil the robbery. Well, I got robbed at gun point and all my theoretical planning went out the window and I did nothing. You could have been going 5 and had the same result. I just wanted that youtube link somebody posted, and having never driven on ice. I really don't want to ever now, looks very hard and scary.

 

[Casawi]

Update

 

[erikistired]

my co-worker said it dents easily

especially if you run into things with it. considering your inability to drive, i'd get something more rugged.

 

[Casawi]

Originally posted by: fisher

my co-worker said it dents easily

especially if you run into things with it. considering your inability to drive, i'd get something more rugged.

Go find something better to do than HATE.